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ORIGINAL: Wendel27

 ''How did Zimmerman get his gun out of his waistband and shoot Martin in the chest if Martin was sitting on his chest pummeling him on the head?'' I don't know it was a fight. It's hardly beyond the realms of possibility. If someone's on top of you hitting you in the head it seems reasonably likely that one could hold up an arm to try and ward off blows while reaching with your other hand. Again i've no idea if that is what happened...but I do know that the argument that it is phyically impossible seems extremely far fetched.

''Why was Zimmerman not drenched in Martin's blood after having shot him in the chest while Martin was on top of him? ''  That would be a matter for ballistics and forensics to discover. There are so many factors as to make it impossible for me to say. Though once again it is well within the realms of possibility.

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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

This is the Trayvon that George met BTW:

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Go down to rural Georgia or Florida and ask around or not and continue to be wrong.

Like you did?

K.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Why was Zimmerman not drenched in Martin's blood after having shot him in the chest while Martin was on top of him?

Why don't you first explain why he would be. Have a lot of experience shooting people in the chest at close range do you?

K.

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ORIGINAL: Wendel27

 I have tried it. I've had people straddling me before and i've been able to reach my utility belt to grab things out of it. There are so many variables that to argue it's physically impossible is just not true. When two people are struggling everything is fluid positions just aren't static.

Which doesn't preclude him from shooting someone in the chest at a point blank range. Again there are so many variables. What Mr Martin was wearing, his position, the angle of the bullet's trajectory, how he moved at the instanst the trigger was pulled. There are so many possibilities that we simoly can't say that Mr Zimmerman's story is nonsense. It may be the evidence for this, if it's there, isn't from these two points.  

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
either he's actually straddling you kneeling with your arms inside his legs and pinned or they are outside and blocking access to your waistband.

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 I've seen pictures that showed a great deal of blood coming from his nose and it looked heavily swollen...though possibly it had been broken for I don't know. The severity of the injury received is not what determines if a claim of self defence is justified or not it is the level of reasonable fear felt. If the reports of Mr. Martin atop Mr. Zimmerman hitting him in the head are true [and i'm not saying that they are] then a plea of self defence is quite reasonable. If you are lying down and someone is punching you in the head any one of those blows has the potential to be lethal or life altering.

How did Zimmerman get his gun out of his waistband and shoot Martin in the chest if Martin was sitting on his chest pummeling him on the head? Why was Zimmerman not drenched in Martin's blood after having shot him in the chest while Martin was on top of him?

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Wendel27

 I have tried it. I've had people straddling me before and i've been able to reach my utility belt to grab things out of it. There are so many variables that to argue it's physically impossible is just not true. When two people are struggling everything is fluid positions just aren't static.

Which doesn't preclude him from shooting someone in the chest at a point blank range. Again there are so many variables. What Mr Martin was wearing, his position, the angle of the bullet's trajectory, how he moved at the instanst the trigger was pulled. There are so many possibilities that we simoly can't say that Mr Zimmerman's story is nonsense. It may be the evidence for this, if it's there, isn't from these two points.  

Those facts and the autopsy report establish it pretty conclusively. He shot Martin from several feet away.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
from an unarmed teenager.

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ORIGINAL: Wendel27

 ''How did Zimmerman get his gun out of his waistband and shoot Martin in the chest if Martin was sitting on his chest pummeling him on the head?'' I don't know it was a fight. It's hardly beyond the realms of possibility. If someone's on top of you hitting you in the head it seems reasonably likely that one could hold up an arm to try and ward off blows while reaching with your other hand. Again i've no idea if that is what happened...but I do know that the argument that it is phyically impossible seems extremely far fetched.

''Why was Zimmerman not drenched in Martin's blood after having shot him in the chest while Martin was on top of him? ''  That would be a matter for ballistics and forensics to discover. There are so many factors as to make it impossible for me to say. Though once again it is well within the realms of possibility.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

He shot in the chest with the bullet entering his heart. he would have bled profusely and the last few pumps of the heart would have sprayed that blood out the wound.

You're just making shit up. The autopsy indicates that he bled into his lungs.

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Anyway the autopsy says he wasn't shot at point blank range so Zimmerman is lying.

More bullshit. A 2" stippling pattern is entirely consistent with point blank range.

In external ballistics, point-blank range is the distance between a firearm and a target of a given size such that the bullet in flight is expected to strike the target without adjusting the elevation of the firearm. The point-blank range will vary with the firearm and its particular ballistic characteristics, as well as the target chosen. A firearm with a flatter trajectory will permit a farther maximum point-blank range for a given target size, while a larger target will allow for a longer point-blank range for a given firearm.

In forensics and popular usage, point-blank range has come to mean extremely close range (i.e., target within about a meter (3 ft) of the muzzle at moment of discharge ~Source

K.

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Contact shot to Trayvon's sweatshirt. That has already been in agreement in court by both the State and Defense. John Guy for the prosecution in opening statements melodramatically described how the gun was pressed up to Trayvon's chest as he pulled the trigger.

The prosecution is full of shit. That claim contradicts their own autopsy. You don't get a 2" stippling pattern from a contact shot. The muzzle of the weapon had to be at least several inches away from the skin when fired.

K.