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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 6/27/2013 6:27:22 PM

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He shot Martin from several feet away.

The autopsy report merely states "intermediate range". I have no idea what that means. Might be anything from ten inches to four feet.

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RE: Summer soap opera - 6/27/2013 6:28:16 PM

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Well, this discussion is everything I expected it to be.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 6/27/2013 6:29:41 PM

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He shot Martin from several feet away.

The autopsy report merely states "intermediate range". I have no idea what that means. Might be anything from ten inches to four feet.

An expert in Florida pointed out that to the medical examiner, "intermediate range" means anything between "not contact" to "long range"

Two inches is still intermediate range for instance.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 6/27/2013 6:31:01 PM

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He shot Martin from several feet away.

You can't know that, and the evidence doesn't corroborate it. But in the interest of peace and harmony, we'll just ignore the facts and listen to you. Is that okay? I mean, with your permission of course. After all, what does truth matter? Who cares? A crazy ass cracker (not racial epithet, of course) shot an innocent brother who was just walking along peacefully whistling the National Anthem.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 6/27/2013 6:31:32 PM

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He shot Martin from several feet away.

The autopsy report merely states "intermediate range". I have no idea what that means. Might be anything from ten inches to four feet.

The coroner said that was 1-18 in.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 6/27/2013 6:32:23 PM

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Contact shot to Trayvon's sweatshirt. That has already been in agreement in court by both the State and Defense. John Guy for the prosecution in opening statements melodramatically described how the gun was pressed up to Trayvon's chest as he pulled the trigger.

The prosecution is full of shit. That claim contradicts their own autopsy. You don't get a 2" stippling pattern from a contact shot. The muzzle of the weapon had to be at least several inches away from the skin when fired.
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It did not say that there was a contact shot to Martin's body, just to his shirt. There may have been quite a distance between shirt and body.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 6/27/2013 6:36:25 PM

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all because of some dumb assed gun nut law.

Uh, not just no but hell no.
This is because the race-baiters had to turn a simple act of self-defence into a cause celebre to try to make themselves appear relevant and raise some more money from fools.

If Zimmerman argues self defense he loses on the facts so he best not try it.

Though I do have to give you credit for having the chutzpah to call someone else a race baiter.

They are arguing self defense.

And so far, making the prosecution look pretty bad in the process.

Then he goes to jail for life. A fist fight with an unarmed teenager in which he was not even bruised is never going to produce a reasonable fear of imminent death which is required for a self defense argument.

I think it is well established George had more than a bruise.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 6/27/2013 6:42:13 PM

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I think it is well established George had more than a bruise.

Who shaved his head? The nurses? Or had he done it himself either before or after the event?

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 6/27/2013 6:42:56 PM

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it is a reasonable fear not just fear. That means a rational person's reasonable fear of imminent death or great bodily harm. He clearly fails.

If some has you on the ground and bounces your head off the surface it is reasonable to fear that the next time could cripple you, that clearly passes

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 6/27/2013 6:45:01 PM

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Contact shot to Trayvon's sweatshirt. That has already been in agreement in court by both the State and Defense. John Guy for the prosecution in opening statements melodramatically described how the gun was pressed up to Trayvon's chest as he pulled the trigger.

The prosecution is full of shit. That claim contradicts their own autopsy. You don't get a 2" stippling pattern from a contact shot. The muzzle of the weapon had to be at least several inches away from the skin when fired.
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It did not say that there was a contact shot to Martin's body, just to his shirt. There may have been quite a distance between shirt and body.

Yeah, the prosecution tried to claim the gun was pressed right to Trayvon's chest in opening. Something the Defense quickly corrected in their opening.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 6/27/2013 6:46:59 PM

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So between the scene of the shooting and the jail, the swelling in his nose went down?

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 6/27/2013 6:48:05 PM

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Anyway the autopsy says he wasn't shot at point blank range so Zimmerman is lying.

Autopsy defines point blank as in contact with Martins body intermediate is , as defined in the autopsy as 1-18 inches which means Zimmerman isn't a liar.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 6/27/2013 6:49:58 PM

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I think it is well established George had more than a bruise.

Who shaved his head? The nurses? Or had he done it himself either before or after the event?

He lives in Florida. It's warm down here. Shaved heads are a common sight. Cross country skiing is rather rare however.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 6/27/2013 6:52:43 PM

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He shot in the chest with the bullet entering his heart. he would have bled profusely and the last few pumps of the heart would have sprayed that blood out the wound.

You're just making shit up. The autopsy indicates that he bled into his lungs.

So you're claiming all the blood stayed in his lungs? Are you really that clueless?

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Anyway the autopsy says he wasn't shot at point blank range so Zimmerman is lying.

More bullshit. A 2" stippling pattern is entirely consistent with point blank range.

In external ballistics, point-blank range is the distance between a firearm and a target of a given size such that the bullet in flight is expected to strike the target without adjusting the elevation of the firearm. The point-blank range will vary with the firearm and its particular ballistic characteristics, as well as the target chosen. A firearm with a flatter trajectory will permit a farther maximum point-blank range for a given target size, while a larger target will allow for a longer point-blank range for a given firearm.

In forensics and popular usage, point-blank range has come to mean extremely close range (i.e., target within about a meter (3 ft) of the muzzle at moment of discharge ~Source

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So when the coroner wrote intermediate range he meant more than 3 feet away.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 6/27/2013 6:53:47 PM

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I did not ask whether it is or is not warm in Florida.

I asked who had shaved his head and when.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 6/27/2013 6:56:16 PM

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I think it is well established George had more than a bruise.

A bloody nose and a couple of scratches does not equate to reasonable fear of imminent death and/or serious bodily harm.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 6/27/2013 6:58:53 PM

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I think it is well established George had more than a bruise.

A bloody nose and a couple of scratches does not equate to reasonable fear of imminent death and/or serious bodily harm.

True. No injuries are required at all to have a reasonable fear of death or serious bodily harm.

That said, George's head was also covered in lumps due to contact with the sidewalk. They got pointed out in detail to the jury already.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 6/27/2013 7:01:25 PM

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I think it is well established George had more than a bruise.

A bloody nose and a couple of scratches does not equate to reasonable fear of imminent death and/or serious bodily harm.

True. No injuries are required at all to have a reasonable fear of death or serious bodily harm.

But there has to be something. An unarmed teenager had to do something pretty extreme to make a reasonable man believe he was in imminent danger of being killed. What was it? Did he take a swig of his drink or eat a few skittles?

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 6/27/2013 7:02:13 PM

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Again, within a few short hours the swelling went down?

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 6/27/2013 7:03:01 PM

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This is the Trayvon that George met BTW:

Scrawny little fucker.

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