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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/1/2013 10:42:32 PM   
BamaD


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tazzygirl post 1193: Anyone who is 17 is a "kid" to me considering I am 48.

Oh tazz, you'll always be a kid to me;) Maybe it's the hand print on your avitar, or maybe it's the way you try to wiggle out of blame every time like a 17 year old LOL.

Think of the heat you would take if outside this context you called a 17 year old black male a kid.
People would be asking for your Klan membership number.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/1/2013 10:59:42 PM   
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Gee.
Nice use of "arrogated"

Here's the thing. My wife usually locks the house when we go to bed.
We never lock it when we leave.
I was the newcomer 15 years ago.
I'm still the newcomer.
We all know each other; we all look after each other.
There have been strange cars parked in the neighborhood. But not for long.
There have been strange people in the neighborhood. But not for long.
Someone sees them. Someone-armed- talks to them and moves them along. Or calls the cops, who move them along.
We are all on watch.
And we don't even lock our doors.
Whatever you're yammering about- whatever bad juju you're trying to pin on me, and mine, and my true ilk- is projection, my friend.
Get the log out of your eye before you concern yourself with the mote in mine.



I'm just wondering what experiences you grew up with that seems so different from elsewhere, is all.

My upbringing was in two larger cities and one small town, with further variants of closer to town, farther (not by much) from town, etc.

However much else the differences, the one common thing was that one did not follow, much less approach, another. Period.

That was the standard, which my own experience led me to believe was nearly universal, other than in countries such as Russia or E Germany or N Korea.

The Stasi at their height had about one-in-seven 'neighborhood watchers.' N Korea keeps the flame going there.

I was too much of a runt when young, had no hope of sticking up for myself in any meaningful way, was too stupid to know when there was danger sometimes, etc. But any time I was followed, it was either by a bully, a mugger, or a pervert, and I figured at least that much out, early on.

People keep talking about who was defending against whom, etc.

Here's the reality:

After being constantly abused by bullies and pervs, I would have 'recognized' what either you or GZ had in mind after your first five steps, and, give me even 20 more pounds than I had at the time, I would have fought for my life.

I finally learned how to deal with mean dogs, and that eventually taught me how to deal with chickenshit humans who have to either be twice the size of another, or lacking that, carry a gun to f*ck with them.

That is ALL I would have seen from some nutjob in a red sweatshirt with a bad haircut following me, blabbering incoherent things, closing the distance, suddenly behind me when I thought that I'd eluded him, then he's suddenly even closer.


I would beat that MF for all I was worth.

Since then, I have learned that dealing with chickenshits was immensely easier than I thought, so it has never come close to violence, even considering the two times I had a gun directed at me.

I can't expect a 17 yr. old to know what I didn't know myself at that age.




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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/1/2013 11:10:12 PM   
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I would beat that MF for all I was worth.


And you'd be guilty of a crime.

Millions of people walk behind or "follow" millions of other people daily on the streets of New York. Someone walking behind you is not sufficient grounds on which to beat them up.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/1/2013 11:11:39 PM   
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Edwynn post1199: That is ALL I would have seen from some nutjob in a red sweatshirt with a bad haircut following me, closing the distance, suddenly behind me when I thought that I'd eluded him, then he's suddenly even closer.
I would beat that MF for all I was worth.

You forgot a last sentence. "And I would have gotten shot."

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/1/2013 11:32:13 PM   
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And you'd be guilty of a crime.

Millions of people walk behind or "follow" millions of other people daily on the streets of New York. Someone walking behind you is not sufficient grounds on which to beat them up.


And you're response makes you guilty of stupidity.

I know in advance that you have no issue with that, prideful stupidity that it is.

It's NYC, people are sardined in every way. It is idiotic to venture into who is the follower or the followed in that setting, either way. It is impossible to escape, either way.

Get a clue.


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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/1/2013 11:33:05 PM   
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That is ALL I would have seen from some nutjob in a red sweatshirt with a bad haircut following me, blabbering incoherent things, closing the distance, suddenly behind me when I thought that I'd eluded him, then he's suddenly even closer.


He had his head covered so you wouldn't have seen what kind of haircut he had.

He was until you ran into him too far away too understand what he said and there is no indication he was "babbling incoherently" and he was heading back in the direction he had come from only being behind you (which doesn't seem to be the case) because when you lost him you doubled back instead of going home. Other than that your description shows poor choices.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/1/2013 11:41:09 PM   
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because when you lost him you doubled back instead of going home.



OK, let's hear what will actually play in court about him 'doubling back,' and further, whether such alleged move was definitively in purpose to avoiding or seeking confrontation.

Spit it out.


PS

Slobbering doesn't count.




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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/1/2013 11:41:37 PM   
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What was Zimmerman thinking, holstering his weapon while Trayvon Martin was still alive and -- in his narrative -- a potential threat?

How about that he didn't want Martin to die.

No evidence exists that Zimmerman checked Martin's vital signs or attempted to render any aid at all. He didn't know Martin was dead until the police told him during the interview at the station.


That he didn't want Martin to die is evidenced by the fact that he only shot him once (which is actually sort of uncommon for one fighting for their life. Such persons sometimes empty the firearm into their now-prostrate assailants).

Not for sure. Checking the wounded man and trying to render assistance would show that he didn't want to kill. His behavior after the shooting is strange if his version of events is correct.

Did he call 911 for an ambulance or ask anyone else to do so?

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/1/2013 11:50:55 PM   
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I imagine many people are stunned by the magnitude of shooting someone at close range, especially for the first time. And, I personally have felt the need to pace when I was shedding adrenaline.

I had no problem with the pacing. It is the not trying to get some distance in case he had not incapacitated Martin with the first shot.

Vincent said that Zimmerman straddled Martin after having shot him and that he pinned his arms (to restrain him). It is then that he must have become aware that Martin no longer was a threat. So there was no need to distance himself from then on.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/1/2013 11:54:34 PM   
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And you're response makes you guilty of stupidity.


No, but yours makes you guilty of it. You meant "your," not "you're."

If I can't depend on you to know the correct words you wish to use, I can't reasonably expect you to be a worthy opponent in a debate on a topic about which you are clearly clueless.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/2/2013 12:03:42 AM   
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And if they manage to repeal SYG anywhere that to will be rewriting self defense law.

Do you not get it? People are getting killed because of that law. Combining shall issue concealed carry laws and SYG means complete buffoons who shouldn't even own a gun are going about in public armed and they are shooting people because of things like a disagreement over loud music.

Loud music in my opinion is an excellent reason to shoot someone. Anyone who shoots a noise troll is my friend and I will send him or her presents if he ends up in prison.

More people who play loud music ought to be struck and killed by lightning.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/2/2013 12:23:28 AM   
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because when you lost him you doubled back instead of going home.



OK, let's hear what will actually play in court about him 'doubling back,' and further, whether such alleged move was definitively in purpose to avoiding or seeking confrontation.

Spit it out.


PS

Slobbering doesn't count.





We already know in court Rachel claims Trayvon was just a few feet from home, yet the encounter started nearly 400 feet away at an intersection where George had already lost him.

We know George was at that T intersection and no longer had sight of Trayvon, then a couple minutes later the fight starts at that spot. Ergo, for whatever reason, Trayvon returned to that spot, else the encounter wouldn't have happened.

And Don West indicated in opening statements he plans to bring that up.

Edit: autocorrect changed Don to Don't heh.


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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/2/2013 12:31:18 AM   
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"Zimmerman's Claims" is not evidence in a trial. There's a difference, and if someone doesn't know what it is, perhaps they're not qualified to participate in a meaningful way in this discussion.




Actually they were put into evidence yesterday.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/2/2013 12:35:51 AM   
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Edwynn post1199: That is ALL I would have seen from some nutjob in a red sweatshirt with a bad haircut following me, closing the distance, suddenly behind me when I thought that I'd eluded him, then he's suddenly even closer.
I would beat that MF for all I was worth.

You forgot a last sentence. "And I would have gotten shot."



I wouldn't have, back in the day. And that's the point.

I could have taken a knife to people who seriously attacked me on two occasions, but I didn't.

People are just such pussies nowadays. Do we want these chichenshit 'nuclear enhanced' Barney Fife types on our neighborhood watch teams?



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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/2/2013 12:36:17 AM   
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Remember that time Zimmerman told the cop that his memory isn't good? Is that because of the drugs Zimmerman is on, or just that he's not all that good at remembering things. That's relevant.

Memory is subject to change. It is therefore best to rely on the earliest versions of an event.


Ok, so we're going with "Zimmerman says the voice screaming isn't his".


"You hear that voice in the background? That's you. You hear yourself?" asked Serino.

"That doesn't even sound like me," said Zimmerman.



I didn't recognize my own voice first time I heard it too. That's normal.

And it was already testified in court how screaming under emotional duress dramatically alters your voice.

So that really means nothing.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/2/2013 1:06:40 AM   
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I did a wrong quote edit in my post 1208. It ought to read like this:

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And if they manage to repeal SYG anywhere that to will be rewriting self defense law.

Do you not get it? People are getting killed because of that law. Combining shall issue concealed carry laws and SYG means complete buffoons who shouldn't even own a gun are going about in public armed and they are shooting people because of things like a disagreement over loud music.


Loud music in my opinion is an excellent reason to shoot someone. Anyone who shoots a noise troll is my friend and I will send him or her presents if he ends up in prison.

More people who play loud music ought to be struck and killed by lightning.


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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/2/2013 2:09:09 AM   
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Good to know that you side with the perverts and muggers on this issue.

No mystery in why the country is diving the way it is, based on this.


It's sad that you see perverts and muggers everywhere you look. Are you seeking help for your delusions?

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/2/2013 2:11:26 AM   
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Think of the heat you would take if outside this context you called a 17 year old black male a kid.


I have done that just that.... then again, I do get away with certain things you fellas just cant.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/2/2013 2:42:57 AM   
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I would beat that MF for all I was worth.


And you'd be guilty of a crime.

Millions of people walk behind or "follow" millions of other people daily on the streets of New York. Someone walking behind you is not sufficient grounds on which to beat them up.



Good to know that you side with the perverts and muggers on this issue.

No mystery in why the country is diving the way it is, based on this.



Based on what? Comparing walking alone at night in a suburban neighborhood to walking down the street in a busy city or are you referring to the way you tried to twist the meaning of the statement into something else entirely. Maybe if you are really concerned some comprehension lessons are in order.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/2/2013 2:45:41 AM   
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That was paraphrasing what someone else posted, not me, thus the link that you left out. Nice try.
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'high school football player is bashing your head against the concrete')


Assumes facts not in evidence. Everyone will disregard the statement. You may continue....



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