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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/2/2013 5:40:17 AM

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here's a suggestion: Don't fucking shoot people if you don't think you'll be a good witness in your own defense.

Sorry, yeah. I do think that if you shoot an innocent and kill them you'd better have a damn good explanation. I don't have any sympathy. I don't have any problem sending you to jail for the rest of your life if you don't.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/2/2013 5:40:40 AM

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So your position is that leprechauns tumbled Zimmerman to the ground and beat him up? Are you Irish?

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/2/2013 5:44:06 AM

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However much else the differences, the one common thing was that one did not follow, much less approach, another.

I more or less agree with that. Being followed does raise one's anxiety level.

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I would have 'recognized' what either you or GZ had in mind after your first five steps, and... I would have fought for my life.

There's the part I don't get. I am accused of being fearful because I carry a gun. I would say "prepared" but... okay. There is in fact an awareness on my part that things can go south, and quickly. A firearm is one of the tools I want handy should that happen (wits first, help second, fists third, lethal force last). But how much fear has to be present to write the sentence above? To assume that anyone, everyone following you must be met with lethal force? Well, I only have 61 years experience, but I have never had to draw a gun on a civilian outside an LEO-related situation.

And I've seen people walking behind me, in Atlanta, in Houston, in LA, and dealt with it as I have described before. Seldom resulted in much more than a terse "good evening". The only real violence involved two men walking toward me (and they tipped their hand).

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/2/2013 5:45:24 AM

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle
here's a suggestion: Don't fucking shoot people if you don't think you'll be a good witness in your own defense.

Sorry, yeah. I do think that if you shoot an innocent and kill them you'd better have a damn good explanation. I don't have any sympathy. I don't have any problem sending you to jail for the rest of your life if you don't.

We will wait and see what you do when zombie Martin comes visiting at your place and assaults you and mauls you and tries to kill you. Be sure to wear a gas mask: zombies do not smell all that good.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/2/2013 5:46:01 AM

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It doesn't matter.

The court's precedent, going back to 1952 at least is that PURSUING SOMEONE WHILE ARMED IS IN ITSELF A PROVOCATION, and that removes 'self-defense'. Zimmerman provoked the act, now he needs to show that he satisfies the VERY NARROW requirements for deadly force being the person who provoked the incident. And he can't meet them. That's THE LAW.

And the problem here is that a lot of people are busy talking about NOT THE LAW, but things like "who was on top", or "who hit first", which are irrelevant to THE LAW and THE TRIAL.

I'm not interested in the internal mindset of someone who's such a pussy they can't even go grocery shopping at target without carrying a gun.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/2/2013 5:46:34 AM

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You forgot a last sentence. "And I would have gotten shot."

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/2/2013 5:48:49 AM

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Popcorn, Hill?

I will even toss in the beer

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/2/2013 5:49:02 AM

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ORIGINAL: Rule

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle
here's a suggestion: Don't fucking shoot people if you don't think you'll be a good witness in your own defense.

Sorry, yeah. I do think that if you shoot an innocent and kill them you'd better have a damn good explanation. I don't have any sympathy. I don't have any problem sending you to jail for the rest of your life if you don't.

We will wait and see what you do when zombie Martin comes visiting at your place and assaults you and mauls you and tries to kill you. Be sure to wear a gas mask: zombies do not smell all that good.

IN THE TRIAL, THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT MARTIN ASSAULTED ZIMMERMAN. As far as the Jury is concerned, it's a non-event. So why are you wasting everyone's time going around and around about it?

Get over yourself and stick to the facts in evidence in the trial. Because nothing else matters and you're just wasting everyone's time which could be used for a more useful discussion....

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/2/2013 5:51:36 AM

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He was abomb looking for a target, and he found one

You must have finally read the long phone log and listened to the 911 tape.

That is certainly an apt description of Zimmerman.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/2/2013 5:51:44 AM

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Did he call 911 for an ambulance or ask anyone else to do so?

I'm pretty certain he did.
Remember, one cop testified yesterday that Zimmerman was stunned to find out Martin was dead.
And Serino testified that when he told Zimmerman that Martin may have videotaped the confrontation his reply was "Thank God".
Zimmerman gives me no indication of being smart enough to lie at that point, or a good enough actor to pull it off... Serino testified he thought Zimmerman was truthful.

Changed "alive" to "dead". Geez. Just got up, what can I say?

< Message edited by truckinslave -- 7/2/2013 6:14:06 AM >

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/2/2013 5:53:20 AM

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The word "homophone" makes far too many people think of gay marriage

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/2/2013 5:53:44 AM

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He was abomb looking for a target, and he found one

You must have finally read the long phone log and listened to the 911 tape.

That is certainly an apt description of Zimmerman.

Zimmerman trained for over a year, 3 days a week at a mixed-martial arts gym. Pretty much. He took speed, worked out, cleaned his weapon...

If you want to get in shape, Planet Fitness is 10 bucks a month and has all the cardio and squats you need.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/2/2013 5:56:53 AM

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Did he call 911 for an ambulance or ask anyone else to do so?

I'm pretty certain he did.
Remember, one cop testified yesterday that he was stunned to find out Martin was alive.
And Serino testified that when he told Zimmerman that Martin may have videotaped the confrontation his reply was "Thank God".
Zimmerman gives me no indication of being smart enough to lie at that point, or a good enough actor to pull it off... Serino testified he thought Zimmerman was truthful.

I'm OK with Zimmerman really thinking that Martin wasn't dead until told. Look, I don't think he got in his car to go to target with the intent of coon hunting or anything. Maybe it's the 'pep pills' he takes that made him make all the bad decisions. And since the fight itself is irrelevant to the legal proceedings, maybe he wanted to see it. Remember, Zimmerman TRAINED at a mixed-martial arts gym. Posting form critique videos is part-and-parcel with people who work-out seriously.

It doesn't have any bearing on Zimmerman's provovative act, and his failure to meet the requirements for deadly force subsequent to that.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/2/2013 5:58:31 AM

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Zimmerman is a hick with a gun. He deserves the death penalty after...he has been stalked and scared shitless. He enjoyed it with the kid...fear and then executing him. Let the USA do just as Zimmerman enjoyed doing it.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/2/2013 5:59:19 AM

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I see a lot more people defending muggers and pervs than I do of the actual perpetrators themselves. You being a case in point.

Looking out for your own, are you?

Again, seeing perverts and muggers (those you claim are defending them) is a delusion. Are you seeking help? Medication perhaps?

By the way, pervert is kind of a relative term on a site called "collarme."

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/2/2013 5:59:31 AM

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It's a street fight. Bite, bite, bite. ALWAYS bite. Anything you can reach, any body part: BITE.

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ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/2/2013 6:02:23 AM

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You have read Zimmerman's mind, telepath man?

How much does the FBI pay telepaths?

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/2/2013 6:03:20 AM

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Ya know, I could have sworn that word is caught by the filter.. I could have also sworn by typing it to get around the filter you violated TOS. Then again, I could be wrong.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/2/2013 6:03:57 AM

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"Zimmerman's Claims" is not evidence in a trial. There's a difference, and if someone doesn't know what it is, perhaps they're not qualified to participate in a meaningful way in this discussion.

Actually they were put into evidence yesterday.

Yeah, and again, NO ONE NEEDS TO BELIEVE ANY OF IT UNLESS OTHER EVIDENCE CONFIRMS IS.

And there is NO EVIDENCE THAT MARTIN ASSAULTED ZIMMERMAN.

Just in case people are on their first cup of coffee.

And there is NO EVIDENCE THAT MARTIN ASSAULTED ZIMMERMAN.

There's Zimmerman's claims. And perhaps your assumptions. BUT NO ONE IN THE JURY HAS EVER BEEN TOLD THAT ZIMMERMAN IS NOT LYING AND THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT MARTIN ASSAULTED ZIMMERMAN.

Meltdown in progress. Warning. Obviously wrong statements will be shouted out as pure fact and multiple times until you agree with them.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/2/2013 6:05:22 AM

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What I pictured was the standard 17 year old boy - gobby, awkward, loud, clumsy, inept, nowhere near as cool as he thinks he is, frequently a pain in the arse . . . just like I was at his age.

You are a slave, I surmise. Martin was a savage or a warrior. One cannot compare a slave with either savage or warrior. Martin was nothing like you. It is good that he is dead.

You should put yourself on 'Ignore', Rule. It's the only way.

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