RE: Zimmerman Trial

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/2/2013 6:05:50 AM

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It's a hypothetical, and I stretched it a bit to make my point (that he seemed to think very lightly of drawing his weapon). Perhaps I did stretch it too far; but the fact is I have been places and seen/heard things that spooked me but later proved to be utterly harmless.
Including a backlit tree branch in Yellowstone NP that looked to me exactly like a crouching grizzly

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/2/2013 6:07:48 AM

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle
Yeah, and again, NO ONE NEEDS TO BELIEVE ANY OF IT UNLESS OTHER EVIDENCE CONFIRMS IS.

Actually, they do.

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle
And there is NO EVIDENCE THAT MARTIN ASSAULTED ZIMMERMAN.

Actually, yes there is. Or have you not been following the trial? The defense has torn the prosecutor's witnesses to shreds and made them look like they were all witnesses for the defense.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/2/2013 6:08:12 AM

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And there is NO EVIDENCE THAT MARTIN ASSAULTED ZIMMERMAN.

Well, other than eyewitness accounts, GZs broken nose, GZs lacerated head, TMs bruised knuckles...

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/2/2013 6:09:06 AM

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However much else the differences, the one common thing was that one did not follow, much less approach, another.

I more or less agree with that. Being followed does raise one's anxiety level.

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I would have 'recognized' what either you or GZ had in mind after your first five steps, and... I would have fought for my life.

There's the part I don't get. I am accused of being fearful because I carry a gun. I would say "prepared" but... okay.

The gun has/had nothing to do with it. I doubt that any of the teenage belligerents or adult pervs who followed me or others when I was a kid were packing.

The point is that one person following another has historically been considered as an act of aggression and ill intent. Why some people all of a sudden, based on this one incident, think that the tables are suddenly (not to mention conveniently) turned the other way perplexes me.

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And I've seen people walking behind me, in Atlanta, in Houston, in LA, and dealt with it as I have described before. Seldom resulted in much more than a terse "good evening". The only real violence involved two men walking toward me (and they tipped their hand).

So you agree that being followed is something that any normal person would be wary of, and in some instances might cause fear or at least anxiety.

Like you, as an adult, I handle such situations with no issue. As a seventeen yr. old (and younger) I was freaked out and pissed off in that situation.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/2/2013 6:09:28 AM

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When you talk to yourself in r/l do you answer yourself there too?

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/2/2013 6:10:07 AM

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Get over yourself and stick to the facts in evidence in the trial. Because nothing else matters and you're just wasting everyone's time which could be used for a more useful discussion....

Interesting advice...you should take it yourself, since it's been shown time and again that the evidence you speak of is actually being presented at the trial.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/2/2013 6:12:37 AM

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THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT MARTIN ASSAULTED ZIMMERMAN.

Yes there is.
Eyewiness testimony that the idiot prosecutor admitted into evidence.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/2/2013 6:14:45 AM

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The point is that one person following another has historically been considered as an act of aggression and ill intent.

No it hasn't. That's your assumption and it would be an incorrect one. Never played "follow the leader" on the playground as a kid?

Following does not equal aggression. Perhaps in your paranoid delusions it does, but not in the real world.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/2/2013 6:15:11 AM

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Your posts, based on no more than stupidity at best, racism at worst, never fail to disapoint. You have an ironical use of the word racist.

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I'm sorry, but are we back to the whole only white people can be racist concept? Martin called Zimmerman a “creepy, white, kill-my-neighbors cracker,” and a “creepy-ass cracker” but he of course wasn't using that in any sort of racist context of course. Zimmerman called Martin a n**ger when punches were flying, and he's a horrible racist out to kill himself a black kid. Martin makes his cracker comments while he's walking and talking with his GF, but he isn't the slightest bit racist.

Whether or not Trayvon Martin was racist is irrelevant to Zimmerman's provocative act ( following while armed, that's legal precedent ) and his failure to meet the narrow requirements to self defense AFTER provoking the incident.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/2/2013 6:16:10 AM

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It doesn't have any bearing on Zimmerman's provovative act, and his failure to meet the requirements for deadly force subsequent to that.

The closest thing I can find to a fact concerning the end of this trial is that you or I one will be stunned by the judges charge to the jury.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/2/2013 6:17:29 AM

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And there is NO EVIDENCE THAT MARTIN ASSAULTED ZIMMERMAN.

Well, other than eyewitness accounts, GZs broken nose, GZs lacerated head, TMs bruised knuckles...

You mean the 1/4 x 1/8 inch abrasion to his left fourth finger?

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/2/2013 6:18:03 AM

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He enjoyed it with the kid...

One big Rorschach. The whole trial. For far too many, just an exercise in projection.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/2/2013 6:18:43 AM

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And there is NO EVIDENCE THAT MARTIN ASSAULTED ZIMMERMAN.

Well, other than eyewitness accounts, GZs broken nose, GZs lacerated head, TMs bruised knuckles...

Ok, see, that's the legal and trial thing.

If you are going to go from GZs broken nose, GZs lacerated head, TMs bruised knuckles to Trayon Martin assaulting Zimmerman, you need to go STEP BY STEP building a foundation of evidence proving beyond reasonable doubt EVERY STEP OF THE WAY proving each point.

We're waiting. And if all you have is Zimmerman's testimony, then you're going to have to get over Zimmerman's lack of credibility first. Because there's a whole lot of doubt about Zimmerman's credibility

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/2/2013 6:20:32 AM

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It doesn't have any bearing on Zimmerman's provovative act, and his failure to meet the requirements for deadly force subsequent to that.

The closest thing I can find to a fact concerning the end of this trial is that you or I one will be stunned by the judges charge to the jury.

Why would I be stunned by a recitation of the legal standards in play? There is not a whole lot of ambiguity about how this is going to play out. We're just going through the motions.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/2/2013 6:23:30 AM

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle
If you are going to go from GZs broken nose, GZs lacerated head, TMs bruised knuckles to Trayon Martin assaulting Zimmerman, you need to go STEP BY STEP building a foundation of evidence proving beyond reasonable doubt EVERY STEP OF THE WAY proving each point.

No we don't. In this country the accused is granted the presumption of innocence until PROVEN guilty. It's not up to us to prove Zimmerman right. It's up to the prosecutor to prove him guilty. And so far all the prosecution has done is support Zimmerman's claims in front of the jury and the rest of the world.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/2/2013 6:27:59 AM

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Like you, as an adult, I handle such situations with no issue. As a seventeen yr. old (and younger) I was freaked out and pissed off in that situation.

Trayvon Martin was evidently sufficiently pissed off about it that he assaulted a man over it.

Zimmerman was returning to his truck.
Zimmerman was returning to his truck.
Zimmerman was returning to his truck.
Zimmerman was returning to his truck.

There's just no getting around it. From Jenteal to forensics:
Zimmerman was returning to his truck.

Which makes the fight one born from rage and "pissed off", not fear. Not wanna be cop. Not racism. Born from Trayvon Martin's (frequently expressed) rage.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/2/2013 6:28:23 AM

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The point is that one person following another has historically been considered as an act of aggression and ill intent.

No it hasn't. That's your assumption and it would be an incorrect one. Never played "follow the leader" on the playground as a kid?

OK, so you grew up in a sand box and never ventured further than the playground.

Now I understand. Sorry to have troubled you.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/2/2013 6:29:59 AM

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Yup. Created as Zimmerman viciously attacked Martin's knockles with his face.

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RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE - 7/2/2013 6:30:01 AM

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Zimmerman was returning to his truck.
Zimmerman was returning to his truck.
Zimmerman was returning to his truck.
Zimmerman was returning to his truck.

Who said he was returning to his truck beyond Z?

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