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RE: Is it healthy to cut out all carbs, no matter what ... - 6/27/2013 1:05:32 PM   
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Thank you Oside, Thanks every one else too, I know it seems kinda stupid to come ask here but I do kinda look up to you all:P sometimes at least.
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It's almost impossible to eat a no carb diet, you have to be very vigilant to achieve it. It can be done, but there's no fiber and you lack certain vitamins. (It's basically straight meat, no condiments, no fruits or veggies) You have to be really careful about what seasonings you use, etc.

You can do a low carb diet which removes all simple carbs and uses only the lowest of the veggies and fruits. (Atkins)

You can do a reduced carb diet which removes simple carbs and allows a wider range of complex carbs. (South Beach)

You can do a moderate carb diet which allows small amounts of simple carbs. (The Zone)

This is a good website for you to read: http://www.diabetes-warrior.net/

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RE: Is it healthy to cut out all carbs, no matter what ... - 6/27/2013 4:26:07 PM   
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Low carbs because you can't really have zero. But if she says some carbs are okay, too many patients interpret that to mean they can eat a sleeve of cookies a day.

Try the South Beach Diet, low fat protein and low carb veggies.

Is he keeping a food diary? Because that's the best tool I know. If you have to write down that you ate a bag of popcorn and one of M & Ms, the odds are you won't eat them.

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RE: Is it healthy to cut out all carbs, no matter what ... - 6/28/2013 6:28:16 AM   
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Chris - you can do the South Beach Diet for free online for a week or two and the book is probably available at your library or through free cycle. Run this by his doctor and yours and do it together. I bet it would be very beneficial for both of you.

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RE: Is it healthy to cut out all carbs, no matter what ... - 6/28/2013 10:19:03 AM   
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I think he is tracking things on an app on his phone an it tells him how many calories he's had an how many he's had left and if you came in under your calorie count, then you can factor in exercise,
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Low carbs because you can't really have zero. But if she says some carbs are okay, too many patients interpret that to mean they can eat a sleeve of cookies a day.

Try the South Beach Diet, low fat protein and low carb veggies.

Is he keeping a food diary? Because that's the best tool I know. If you have to write down that you ate a bag of popcorn and one of M & Ms, the odds are you won't eat them.

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RE: Is it healthy to cut out all carbs, no matter what ... - 6/28/2013 10:22:25 AM   
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If you eat carbs (especially with your diabetic lifestyle) you should only work in the low glycemic index stuff.


Search glycemic index, and you will find listings of the glycemic index of foodstuffs.

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RE: Is it healthy to cut out all carbs, no matter what ... - 6/28/2013 10:23:49 AM   
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Yeah, I keep telling him we can both follow the same diet with some miner tweaking, even if it's a "diabetic" diet, because the principals are healthy to follow regardless if you're D or not, and he just keeps saying it's more restrictive than he wants, and he's not going to follow such a restrictive diet an he's not gonna cut out soda all together like he knows he should an blah blah blah.

there are nutritionists who take his insurance I have told him before maybe he should go and then to our best of our abilities cause mens diet an womens do have a lil tweaking needed we both follow it.

But irregardless of if he will follow a diet plan I can always follow it an make him jelouse with how great I did lol.


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- you can do the South Beach Diet for free online for a week or two and the book is probably available at your library or through free cycle. Run this by his doctor and yours and do it together. I bet it would be very beneficial for both of you.


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RE: Is it healthy to cut out all carbs, no matter what ... - 6/28/2013 10:25:43 AM   
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Yeah, not a big deal to splurge occasionally, so long as you dont make it an all out weekend of fatandpopandpotatochipdrunkstuff.



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RE: Is it healthy to cut out all carbs, no matter what ... - 6/28/2013 10:34:15 AM   
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My dad got into making popcorn from scratch on the stove, and he'd share it with me and oh god it was good, now I still crave the store bough fake shit for its greasiness every now an then, but if I want popcorn I enjoy oil popped from the microwave, because  an I guess its because it's not all loaded up with shit like microwavable bags are, it has less carbs for an amount that's more than you can eat in the microwave bags.
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\ a bag of popcorn \

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RE: Is it healthy to cut out all carbs, no matter what ... - 7/19/2013 9:58:50 PM   
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You can make popcorn in the microwave without the oil, use a brown paper bag and put the kernals in the bag, and microwave it, it will make popcorn. If you think it is too dry, you can use one of the spray oils (olive oil is healthy), and use salt (if you can handle it) or salt substitute. The microwave popcorn you buy is often loaded with shortening with trans fats, bad news. Popcorn probably isn't as bad on carbs because it has fiber in it, fiber in a sense cancels out some of the carb value (it is why packages talk about 'net carbs', it is why brown rice and brown bread and whole grains are better than white ones, because of the fiber).

One note, be really careful of diet soda, especially if you are diabetic. Most sodas contain nutrasweet (aspartame) and the stuff is a disaster area, it has a really high glycemic index (and real sode, with government sponsored high fructose corn syrup, is tremendously bad), and Splenda isn't much better. Unfortinately, I have yet to find a diet soda with Stevia that tastes good, I tried this soda called Zevia that was barf inducing (fortunately, my prime drink is water). If you like Stevia, I use a product called Nu Stevia (I got it from whole foods, but amazon has it) and they have a version that is zero carb that worked well (lot cheaper from amazon). Diabetics can use Agave, but it is not a diet product, it is high calorically and carb wise...

I agree with others, zero carbs is next to impossible, the real answer is for the carbs, eat things like brown rice, fibrous vegetables along with lean meat, stay away from refined sugars, white flour and processed foods......

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RE: Is it healthy to cut out all carbs, no matter what ... - 8/20/2013 10:48:02 AM   
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I'm just starting on lowering carbs, but ultimately I feel it's worth keeping the "good carbs" if you can (as others have mentioned, stuff like long grain brown rice, etc), and only a reasonable amount -- portion size and lack of exercise is what really makes us particularly fat in general. I suppose no carbs at all doesn't have a lot of very long term studies with tons of data points to go by, but I did a proof of cocnept for a few months with alpha enf which is pure synthetic sugars as sole intake, and I didn't die.

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RE: Is it healthy to cut out all carbs, no matter what ... - 8/20/2013 10:29:55 PM   
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I know. But quite honestly im still going to eat bagged and theater style popcorn every now and then. And. I do mean rarely. Its been about a year since i had bagged microwave stuff. Air popped, even with olive oil or vegetable oil popped in a bowl, is low carb. And where microwave bag crap is extremly high carb ish, air popped. You can eat lots of and still its not a horrible amount of carbs.

Diet sodas are so nasty. You would have to pay me quite a lot of money to drink them. Im not a big. Soda drinker anyway. Prefere iced tea, or liptons, or plain h20.

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ORIGINAL: njlauren

You can make popcorn in the microwave without the oil, use a brown paper bag and put the kernals in the bag, and microwave it, it will make popcorn. If you think it is too dry, you can use one of the spray oils (olive oil is healthy), and use salt (if you can handle it) or salt substitute. The microwave popcorn you buy is often loaded with shortening with trans fats, bad news. Popcorn probably isn't as bad on carbs because it has fiber in it, fiber in a sense cancels out some of the carb value (it is why packages talk about 'net carbs', it is why brown rice and brown bread and whole grains are better than white ones, because of the fiber).

One note, be really careful of diet soda, especially if you are diabetic. Most sodas contain nutrasweet (aspartame) and the stuff is a disaster area, it has a really high glycemic index (and real sode, with government sponsored high fructose corn syrup, is tremendously bad), and Splenda isn't much better. Unfortinately, I have yet to find a diet soda with Stevia that tastes good, I tried this soda called Zevia that was barf inducing (fortunately, my prime drink is water). If you like Stevia, I use a product called Nu Stevia (I got it from whole foods, but amazon has it) and they have a version that is zero carb that worked well (lot cheaper from amazon). Diabetics can use Agave, but it is not a diet product, it is high calorically and carb wise...

I agree with others, zero carbs is next to impossible, the real answer is for the carbs, eat things like brown rice, fibrous vegetables along with lean meat, stay away from refined sugars, white flour and processed foods......



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RE: - 8/20/2013 10:32:02 PM   
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Is it healthy to cut out all carbs, no matter what they are?

It's dangerous to know so little about nutrition that you have to ask such a ridiculous question.

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RE: Is it healthy to cut out all carbs, no matter what ... - 10/7/2013 8:30:08 AM   
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A 100% carb free diet can put your body into Ketosis which is something most of us cant handle and usually ends up with a wicked kidney infection. Try just cutting out anything white, like white flour, pasta, breads, rice and sugars and sticking to only high fiber sources of carbs like carrots, fruits and veggies. Use red potatoes (in moderation) and avaoid white potatoes. mThen you are only getting the good carbs that give nutrients.

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RE: Is it healthy to cut out all carbs, no matter what ... - 10/7/2013 9:17:28 AM   
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I have lived LOW-carb since 2005. My goal is to stay under 20g per day, and this is when I have the MOST energy...often being accused of being "on something". My preferred carbs are dark green leaf vegetables, which contain mega doses of nutrients and also fiber.

However, I don't see a reason to go NO-carb (unless you've been diagnosed with a fast-growing cancer or severe diabetes). I have gone no-carb for say, a week at a time, and felt AWESOME, but I love My garden veggies. Going no-carb for a few days is a great way to stimulate fat-burning metabolism. It takes about 2 days to get rid of the carbs stored in the liver...and then bam, you are off and running on fat-for-energy...for Me that's an awesome rush.

For those of you who are afraid that "you need to eat carbs", well, YOU DON'T. As someone mentioned, Inuits (and other peoples) have eaten exclusively meat-based diets for thousands of years. A little detail about physiology is that excess protein is converted into carbohydrates by the body.

The unfortunate thing is that we Westerners live in a carbohydrate-pushing society...the chips, the breakfast cereals, the snacks, ...it's hard as hell to avoid carbs., and on top of the chip cravings there is always the asshole well-meaning friend who tells you, "One piece of cake won't hurt" or "Let's order pizza!". Those of us in My generation remember the ORIGINAL "food pyramid" with "Breads & Cereals" composing the most at the very bottom of the pyramid...pastas, breads, grains (which are all derived from grasses, including corn). These are also the CHEAPEST foods. Mac & cheese are cheap by the box. As children we were brainwashed into believing these fat-producing foods were GOOD for us. The new pyramid has been remade, and is an improved look at what the body actually needs, but still has room for improvement.

Yes, I slip sometimes and go back to eating carbs for awhile (during illness when I just want comfort food, or during the holidays with all the pies and candies), but I PAY for it with swift weight gain and severe reduction in energy level. The difference is incredible, and not something I enjoy.




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Last visit his dr said he really should go 100 percent no carb, of any kind and every dietician and diabetes class I have gone to says we need carbs for our brain,  I do not trust the 100 percent no carb thing.


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RE: Is it healthy to cut out all carbs, no matter what ... - 10/7/2013 9:31:49 AM   
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For those of you who are afraid that "you need to eat carbs", well, YOU DON'T. As someone mentioned, Inuits (and other peoples) have eaten exclusively meat-based diets for thousands of years.


I think an Inuit diet is only appropriate for someone with an Inuit lifestyle in an Inuit environment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit#Diet

The Inuit have traditionally been fishers and hunters. They still hunt whales (esp. bowhead whale), walrus, caribou, seal,The Narwhal, polar bears, muskoxen, birds, and at times other less commonly eaten animals such as the Arctic Fox. The typical Inuit diet is high in protein and very high in fat – in their traditional diets, Inuit consumed an average of 75% of their daily energy intake from fat.[57] While it is not possible to cultivate plants for food in the Arctic, the Inuit have traditionally gathered those that are naturally available. Grasses, tubers, roots, stems, berries, and seaweed (kuanniq or edible seaweed) were collected and preserved depending on the season and the location.[58][59][60][61][62] There is a vast array of different hunting technologies that the Inuit used to gather their food.

In the 1920s anthropologist Vilhjalmur Stefansson lived with and studied a group of Inuit.[63] The study focused on the fact that the Inuit's extremely low-carbohydrate diet had no adverse effects on their health, nor indeed, Stefansson's own health. Stefansson (1946) also observed that the Inuit were able to get the necessary vitamins they needed from their traditional winter diet, which did not contain any plant matter. In particular, he found that adequate vitamin C could be obtained from items in their traditional diet of raw meat such as Ringed Seal liver and whale skin (muktuk). While there was considerable skepticism when he reported these findings, they have been borne out in recent studies.[64] However, the Inuit have lifespans 12 to 15 years shorter than the average Canadian's, which is thought to be a result of overcrowding.[65] The life expectancy gap is not closing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit_culture

The traditional lifestyle of the Inuit is adapted to extreme climatic conditions; their essential skills for survival are hunting and trapping. Agriculture was never possible in the millions of square kilometers of tundra and icy coasts from Siberia to Northern America and Greenland. Therefore, hunting became the core of the culture and cultural history of the Inuit of central and east Arctic. Thus, the everyday life in modern Inuit settlements, established only some decades ago, still reflects the five-thousand year long history of a typical hunting culture which allowed the Inuit peoples and their ancestors to achieve one of the most remarkable human accomplishments, the population of the Arctic.

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RE: Is it healthy to cut out all carbs, no matter what ... - 10/7/2013 9:34:41 AM   
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I think he is tracking things on an app on his phone an it tells him how many calories he's had an how many he's had left and if you came in under your calorie count, then you can factor in exercise,


Sounds like MyFitnessPal, which is free, and helped me lose 30# last year. You can do it on a desktop computer even easier!

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RE: Is it healthy to cut out all carbs, no matter what ... - 10/7/2013 9:41:12 AM   
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CORN IS CORN...corn (grain) is where the carbs come from, not the oil you put on it...oil has NO carbs. Unless you are buying a microwave popcorn that has some sugar in the flavoring (caramel for instance) it shouldn't have any more carbs than that you make yourself. I can't say store-bought flavorings are any better for you though. At least with homemade popcorn you can control the salt and preservatives.


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I know. But quite honestly im still going to eat bagged and theater style popcorn every now and then. And. I do mean rarely. Its been about a year since i had bagged microwave stuff. Air popped, even with olive oil or vegetable oil popped in a bowl, is low carb. And where microwave bag crap is extremly high carb ish, air popped. You can eat lots of and still its not a horrible amount of carbs.

Diet sodas are so nasty. You would have to pay me quite a lot of money to drink them. Im not a big. Soda drinker anyway. Prefere iced tea, or liptons, or plain h20.

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ORIGINAL: njlauren

You can make popcorn in the microwave without the oil, use a brown paper bag and put the kernals in the bag, and microwave it, it will make popcorn. If you think it is too dry, you can use one of the spray oils (olive oil is healthy), and use salt (if you can handle it) or salt substitute. The microwave popcorn you buy is often loaded with shortening with trans fats, bad news. Popcorn probably isn't as bad on carbs because it has fiber in it, fiber in a sense cancels out some of the carb value (it is why packages talk about 'net carbs', it is why brown rice and brown bread and whole grains are better than white ones, because of the fiber).

One note, be really careful of diet soda, especially if you are diabetic. Most sodas contain nutrasweet (aspartame) and the stuff is a disaster area, it has a really high glycemic index (and real sode, with government sponsored high fructose corn syrup, is tremendously bad), and Splenda isn't much better. Unfortinately, I have yet to find a diet soda with Stevia that tastes good, I tried this soda called Zevia that was barf inducing (fortunately, my prime drink is water). If you like Stevia, I use a product called Nu Stevia (I got it from whole foods, but amazon has it) and they have a version that is zero carb that worked well (lot cheaper from amazon). Diabetics can use Agave, but it is not a diet product, it is high calorically and carb wise...

I agree with others, zero carbs is next to impossible, the real answer is for the carbs, eat things like brown rice, fibrous vegetables along with lean meat, stay away from refined sugars, white flour and processed foods......




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RE: Is it healthy to cut out all carbs, no matter what ... - 10/7/2013 9:49:50 AM   
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I would blame their shorter lifespan more on the poverty inflicted upon them, the resulting alcoholism, and lack of regular access to the healthcare most of us take for granted, rather than on their low-carb diet. However, the rest of your post I agree with. Their survival achievements over millennia are indeed remarkable.

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However, the Inuit have lifespans 12 to 15 years shorter than the average Canadian's, which is thought to be a result of overcrowding.[65] The life expectancy gap is not closing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit_culture

The traditional lifestyle of the Inuit is adapted to extreme climatic conditions; their essential skills for survival are hunting and trapping. Agriculture was never possible in the millions of square kilometers of tundra and icy coasts from Siberia to Northern America and Greenland. Therefore, hunting became the core of the culture and cultural history of the Inuit of central and east Arctic. Thus, the everyday life in modern Inuit settlements, established only some decades ago, still reflects the five-thousand year long history of a typical hunting culture which allowed the Inuit peoples and their ancestors to achieve one of the most remarkable human accomplishments, the population of the Arctic.


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RE: Is it healthy to cut out all carbs, no matter what ... - 10/7/2013 9:52:54 AM   
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One of My subs is using an app such as this to keep himself on track. I believe the one he's using allows you to pick whichever dietary plan you prefer (low-calorie, or low-carb) and then helps keep track of it for you. I think it's a great idea.

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I think he is tracking things on an app on his phone an it tells him how many calories he's had an how many he's had left and if you came in under your calorie count, then you can factor in exercise,


Sounds like MyFitnessPal, which is free, and helped me lose 30# last year. You can do it on a desktop computer even easier!


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RE: Is it healthy to cut out all carbs, no matter what ... - 10/7/2013 10:53:02 AM   
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Just a note for those of you specifically TRYING to reduce your carb intake...READ THE LABEL!! You should ALWAYS be turning that package around and reading the carb content. DON'T GUESS. Just because it's "healthier" doesn't mean it is "good" for you to eat as an individual. I talk to so many people who tell Me something like, "I've switched to BROWN rice instead of white...so I won't be getting as many carbs." Whoa! READ THE LABEL!

GRAINS:
1/2 cup white rice.........................22g net carbs
1/2 cup long grain brown rice.........21g net carbs
corn on cob .................................20g net carbs
2.5 cups air popped Popcorn,plain...13g net carbs
1 cup cooked elbow pasta...............43g carbs
1 cup Carrots, chopped..................12g carbs
1 med red potato, baked................30g net carbs
1 med apple..................................16g net carbs
1 med orange................................12g net carbs

For weight loss you need to stay under 50g carbs per day...to convert your body to this process you may have to drop down to 20g or less per day (break it down to 5g per meal, 4 meals). Some of us who are very efficient at converting sugars into fats need to keep our carb intake REALLY low. It's not how MUCH food you eat per meal, it's WHAT you eat. Personally, ANY of the above foods trigger a weight gain and loss of energy for Me, while I can eat lobster and steak to My heart's content and actually LOSE weight and feel energized. And NO, I'm not diabetic. I have a very stable blood glucose of 95-100 whenever it's been tested. I also have very low blood pressure averaging 95/50 dispite the high meat/fat content in My diet. Dispite My eating a lot of beef and cheese I still am able to maintain low cholesterol levels because I also consume walnuts, fish oils, and olive oil.

For those fretting that they'll miss their antioxidants and certain vitamins by not eating fruits and veggies, you still can eat them if you are careful:
1/2 cup sliced Strawberries.............5g net carbs
1 cup spinach................................2g net carbs
6 Brussels sprouts.........................5g net carbs (served with bacon and/or butter and whole cream, still low-carb folks!)
4 pieces Cauliflower.......................3g net carbs
1 cup Broccoli. chopped, cooked.......3g net carbs
1 cup leafy salad greens..................5g net carbs (or less)

One cookie-cutter solution isn't the answer for everyone. Neither is starving yourself. UNDERSTANDING how your own body metabolizes what you eat and then developing a meal (and exercise) plan to suit your personal metabolism is the best way to go. The problem is, most people never pay attention to what their body is telling them. Low energy level today? Weight gain dispite exercise? Ask yourself, "What did I eat this morning, or last night?" keep track of what you eat and also keep tabs on your weight shifts and HOW YOU FEEL eating various foods.



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