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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/23/2013 12:49:45 PM   
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So again, are you applauding the false flag attempts to foment violence, or condemning it?


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http://theurbandaily.com/2514617/are-peaceful-trayvon-martin-marches-being-disrupted-by-violence-from-outside/


I guess the one that demonstrates confusion and lack of fact would be the spouter. look to your own house.



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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/23/2013 12:50:39 PM   
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Oh, God, Brietbart fucked that one up. I expect they figured the shitbreathers wouldnt read that far anyway, though, or more likely; couldn't.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/23/2013 12:51:25 PM   
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lol... Im surprised breitbart got that far

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/23/2013 12:55:04 PM   
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More of your usual evasion and refusal to answer questions while demanding that everyone else be held to a different standard.

One more time, I don't care what the bloggers are saying, I asked the question about the tactic.

Is it justice to use false flag tactics to inflame anger that might lead to violence? This is after the verdict, when nothing can be changed.

Your impotent tap dance to avoid an honest answer speaks volumes.


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But feel free to explain how the 'We're better because we are white' belief fits into the left wing activist mindset.


I would go with her explanation. Seems to fit. Maybe instead of demanding answers from people here, you should get into your lil go go mobile and go ask her.

Gateway Pundit concludes she was a "leftist plant" who intended to trick or otherwise deceive the media. As the interview reveals, however, she was quite honest and open about her intentions and what her sign meant. She also located herself quite clearly on the Trayvon Martin/New Black Panther Party-supporting side of the demonstration (this video shows the two sides were clearly separated and distinguished from each other).

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/07/23/Racist-and-Proud-Sign-Anti-Zimmerman-Smear-Proven-False-Video-Proof



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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/23/2013 12:55:34 PM   
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Laughable stuff regards anyone who thinks Zimmerman was using racial profilling must be racist.


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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/23/2013 12:56:51 PM   
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So again, are you applauding the false flag attempts to foment violence, or condemning it?


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

http://theurbandaily.com/2514617/are-peaceful-trayvon-martin-marches-being-disrupted-by-violence-from-outside/


I guess the one that demonstrates confusion and lack of fact would be the spouter. look to your own house.




I am doin neither. You will never know if I am for it or against it in this case. I am stating it happens, both sides. And I do not find it extraordinary, nor do I find it evenly considered.

I dont see a false flag.


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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/23/2013 1:03:46 PM   
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One more time, I don't care what the bloggers are saying, I asked the question about the tactic.


Obviously you do care what the bloggers are saying.

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Is it justice to use false flag tactics to inflame anger that might lead to violence?


Been done before, is being done now, will be done again. People are violent because they wish to be. First Amendment rights gives her the right to say what she did. Are you saying she should have not said anything because others might have gotten upset? Hell, if thats the case, you shouldnt post.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/23/2013 1:04:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail


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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

So again, are you applauding the false flag attempts to foment violence, or condemning it?


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

http://theurbandaily.com/2514617/are-peaceful-trayvon-martin-marches-being-disrupted-by-violence-from-outside/


I guess the one that demonstrates confusion and lack of fact would be the spouter. look to your own house.




I am doin neither. You will never know if I am for it or against it in this case. I am stating it happens, both sides. And I do not find it extraordinary, nor do I find it evenly considered.

I dont see a false flag.




I do see a cultural clash at some point. I'm also afraid it won't be pretty.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/23/2013 1:06:40 PM   
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Wow. You are a few eons to late for the culture clash start-ups. It is around us constantly, and it never is pretty.

Trayvon Martin is dead because of a culture clash. And some folks are fine with that too.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/23/2013 1:10:05 PM   
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Anyone who continues to promote the meme that Zimmerman was racist after it has been proven a lie, is certainty operating from some suspect agenda.

There was no 'These N***s always get away' on the tape, that was proven to be a deliberate media lie. There was no 'Hello police, I want to report a black man in my neighborhood', that was proven to be a deliberate media lie. There were no 80 something phone calls from Zimmerman to the police in the previous 11 months complaining about black people, that was proven to be a deliberate media lie.

And there was no such thing as 'white Zimmerman', that (complete with lightened pictures) was proven to be a deliberate media lie. He is brown skinned and of African descent, as is President Obama.

After all of that was debunked, the 'racist Zimmerman' meme was kept alive by StormFront and other white supremacist websites. and fed back into the internet.




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Laughable stuff regards anyone who thinks Zimmerman was using racial profilling must be racist.





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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/23/2013 1:10:24 PM   
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How is yelling 'We're better because we're white' anything but racism?


When it is satire.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/23/2013 1:12:08 PM   
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Wow. You are a few eons to late for the culture clash start-ups. It is around us constantly, and it never is pretty.

Trayvon Martin is dead because of a culture clash. And some folks are fine with that too.


TM is dead because he lost his cool and threw the punch. But of course it's debatable which is why this thread has so many pages.


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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/23/2013 1:12:09 PM   
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Do you have a match for that straw?



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One more time, I don't care what the bloggers are saying, I asked the question about the tactic.


Obviously you do care what the bloggers are saying.

quote:

Is it justice to use false flag tactics to inflame anger that might lead to violence?


Been done before, is being done now, will be done again. People are violent because they wish to be. First Amendment rights gives her the right to say what she did. Are you saying she should have not said anything because others might have gotten upset? Hell, if thats the case, you shouldnt post.



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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/23/2013 1:14:16 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

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Wow. You are a few eons to late for the culture clash start-ups. It is around us constantly, and it never is pretty.

Trayvon Martin is dead because of a culture clash. And some folks are fine with that too.


TM is dead because he lost his cool and threw the punch. But of course it's debatable which is why this thread has so many pages.




Exactly, a clash of cultures, Zimmerman threw the first punch. Equally plausible and factual with as many eyewitnesses.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/23/2013 1:20:01 PM   
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In 2006, individuals practicing false flag behavior were discovered and "outed" in New Hampshire[29][30] and New Jersey[31] after blog comments claiming to be from supporters of a political candidate were traced to the IP address of paid staffers for that candidate's opponent.

On February 19, 2011, Indiana Deputy Prosecutor Carlos Lam sent a private email to Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker suggesting that he run a "'false flag' operation" to counter the protests against Walker's proposed restrictions on public employees' collective bargaining rights.
"If you could employ an associate who pretends to be sympathetic to the unions' cause to physically attack you (or even use a firearm against you), you could discredit the unions," read the email. It went on to say that the effort "would assist in undercutting any support that the media may be creating in favor of the unions." The press had acquired a court order to access all of Walker's emails and Lam's email was exposed. At first, Lam vehemently denied it, but eventually admitted it and resigned.[32]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag

In retaliation for writing The Scandal of Scientology, the Church of Scientology stole stationery from author Paulette Cooper's home and then used that stationery to forge bomb threats and have them mailed to a Scientology office. The Guardian's Office also had a plan for further operations to discredit Cooper known as Operation Freakout, but several Scientology operatives were arrested in a separate investigation and the plan failed.[33]

In the "Roorback forgery" of 1844 the Chronicle of Ithaca, New York ran a story, supposedly by a German tourist called Baron von Roorback, that James K. Polk, standing for re-election as a Democrat to the United States House of Representatives, branded his slaves before selling them at auction to distinguish them from the others on sale. Polk actually benefited from the ploy, as it reflected badly on his opponents when the lie was found out.[21]
During the 1972 U.S. presidential election, Donald H. Segretti, a political operative for President Richard Nixon's reelection campaign, released a faked letter, on Senator Edmund Muskie's letterhead, falsely alleging that Senator Henry "Scoop" Jackson, against whom Muskie was running for the Democratic Party's nomination, had had an illegitimate child with a seventeen-year-old. Muskie, who had been considered the frontrunner, lost the nomination to George McGovern, and Nixon was reelected. The letter was part of a campaign of so-called "dirty tricks", directed by Segretti, and uncovered as part of the Watergate Scandal. Segretti went to prison in 1974 after pleading guilty to three misdemeanor counts of distributing illegal campaign literature. Another of his dirty tricks was the "Canuck letter", although this was libel of Muskie and not a black propaganda piece.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation's Counter-intelligence program "COINTELPRO", was intended to, according to the FBI, "expose, disrupt, misdirect, discredit, or otherwise neutralize the activities of black nationalists, hate-type organizations and groups, their leadership, membership, and supporters." Black propaganda was used famously on Communists and the Black Panther Party. It was also used against domestic opponents of the invasion of Vietnam, labor leaders, and Native Americans .[22] COINTELPRO's use of black propaganda led to their creation of coloring books and cartoons. The FBI's strategy was captured in a 1968 memo: "Consider the use of cartoons, photographs, and anonymous letters which will have the effect of ridiculing the New Left. Ridicule is one of the most potent weapons which we can use against it."[23] The FBI employed a similar tactic in 1968 to disrupt activities of the Ku Klux Klan, as hundreds of 'racist' flyers with misleading information were fabricated and made to appear as if they originated from known Klan leaders.

"The Penkovsky Papers" are an example of a black propaganda effort conducted by the United States' Central Intelligence Agency during the 1960s. The "Penkovksy Papers" were alleged to have been written by a Soviet GRU defector, Colonel Oleg Penkovsky, but was in fact produced by the CIA in an effort to diminish the Soviet Union's credibility at a pivotal time during the Cold War.[24]

The Church of Scientology, under the leadership of L. Ron Hubbard, is alleged to have advocated the usage of "black propaganda" to "destroy reputation or public belief in persons, companies or nations" as a practice of Fair Game against Suppressive Persons.[25]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_propaganda#United_States_media

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/23/2013 3:13:26 PM   
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WTF?
Now Z is expected to justify why he didn't give a stranger a ride?
A person who he, for whatever reason, he was suspicious of?
Holy cripes. You folks are reaching.
The appropriate answer to the question is,"Noneya"

Man, what do you folks smoke?
Please, do tell, cause whatever it is, I gotta get me some of that.



Is this in response to me or someone else because it makes no sense.

It was a reply to fargle

ETA-This link posted earlier in the thread re Z supporters disturbing M marches:Did you read the story. It's one person making a claim that they saw white people provoking violence in a rally in Atlanta.
One eyewitness, in a rally with 100's present. Even the headline is framed as a question.
The rest of the violence refers to the looting done by the pro-M crowds in Oakland and demonstrators in LA who threw stuff at the police.
It's certainly not proof of any violence by Z supporters against M rallies, much less lots of it.
Face it, the pro M crowds have been much more violent than the Z crowds.

Because, you know, it makes sense. Some dude gets shot the length of the country away and now's the perfect time to loot that new toaster you've been eying for ages.




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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/23/2013 3:50:36 PM   
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How is yelling 'We're better because we're white' anything but racism?


When it is satire.



Yep, I saw it as satire too. Unfortunately, she got outmanoeuvred, though. The looney-righties managed to turn it to advantage for them.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/23/2013 3:53:05 PM   
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Anyone who continues to promote the meme that Zimmerman was racist after it has been proven a lie . . .


When did that happen, Powergamz? I didn't see that.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/23/2013 3:59:28 PM   
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The 'Zimmerman was racially profiling' and 'Zimmerman was a racist' claim was made here in this thread repeatedly, long after the media was caught fabricating tapes etc.

If you didn't see it, then you closed your eyes repeatedly.


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Anyone who continues to promote the meme that Zimmerman was racist after it has been proven a lie . . .


When did that happen, Powergamz? I didn't see that.



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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/23/2013 4:01:27 PM   
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Which still leaves the question, when is justice served by pretending that she was trying to inflame anger against Zimmerman?

When did the old 'by any means necessary' regain that much traction?



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quote:

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How is yelling 'We're better because we're white' anything but racism?


When it is satire.



Yep, I saw it as satire too. Unfortunately, she got outmanoeuvred, though. The looney-righties managed to turn it to advantage for them.



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