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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/24/2013 8:11:32 AM   
BamaD


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You've been called on that repeatedly, and have run away each time.

Exactly *what* history in America of brown skinned Hispanic people like Zimmerman lynching black people like Martin?

And don't hand me the racist crap that an Hispanic wearing a Land's End jacket looks like a gangbanger.


I haven't run away from anything. I have repeatedly stated my position.

I never handed you anything about jackets... I don't know where you got that from.

Once again you are presuming that racism is an all or nothing thing. It is not.

And you are presuming guilt based on your warped view of racism.
ps you have two votes.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/24/2013 8:12:46 AM   
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Considering the gun was holstered until right before the shot, if Trayovn had killed George, he would have killed someone with a still holstered gun. There would have been a witness with Trayvon on top of George, with George screaming for help for nearly a minute, with zero evidence of any force ever used or implied against Trayvon.

And it wasn't a lack of evidence that got George off. It was the overwhelming evidence that George was a victim of an attack that he defended himself from. As Juror B37 said, what it came down to is the last moments before the shot, and in those moments, George's life was in danger, which is why there was nowhere to go but not guilty.





And up until the last moments Trayvons life was in danger. Petty fuckin obvious that. And there is no evidence and was no evidence presented that the gun was holstered. (because if it was, that is a huge problem there, and the other one the route described by zimmerman to the police on the walk thru)


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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/24/2013 8:20:39 AM   
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The fact remains that being black makes you more likely to be convicted of a crime.

Is the Criminal Justice System Racist?

In 1997, criminologists Robert Sampson and Janet Lauritsen reviewed the massive literature on charging and sentencing. They concluded that “large racial differences in criminal offending,” not racism, explained why more blacks were in prison proportionately than whites and for longer terms.

A 1987 analysis of Georgia felony convictions, for example, found that blacks frequently received disproportionately lenient punishment.

A 1990 study of 11,000 California cases found that slight racial disparities in sentence length resulted from blacks’ prior records and other legally relevant variables.

A 1994 Justice Department survey of felony cases from the country’s 75 largest urban areas discovered that blacks actually had a lower chance of prosecution following a felony than whites did and that they were less likely to be found guilty at trial. Following conviction, blacks were more likely to receive prison sentences, however—an outcome that reflected the gravity of their offenses as well as their criminal records.

Another criminologist—easily as liberal as Sampson—reached the same conclusion in 1995: “Racial differences in patterns of offending, not racial bias by police and other officials, are the principal reason that such greater proportions of blacks than whites are arrested, prosecuted, convicted and imprisoned,” Michael Tonry wrote in Malign Neglect...

The media’s favorite criminologist, Alfred Blumstein, found in 1993 that blacks were significantly underrepresented in prison for homicide compared with their presence in arrest.


But, of course...

This consensus hasn’t made the slightest dent in the ongoing search for systemic racism.

K.


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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/24/2013 8:22:55 AM   
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And you are presuming guilt based on your warped view of racism.
ps you have two votes.


What exactly is warped about my views on racism?

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/24/2013 8:24:59 AM   
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A huge problem in your mind.

The jury and rational people seemed to have no problem following the logic of the expert witness who makes your claim look like the nonsense that it is.


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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

Considering the gun was holstered until right before the shot, if Trayovn had killed George, he would have killed someone with a still holstered gun. There would have been a witness with Trayvon on top of George, with George screaming for help for nearly a minute, with zero evidence of any force ever used or implied against Trayvon.

And it wasn't a lack of evidence that got George off. It was the overwhelming evidence that George was a victim of an attack that he defended himself from. As Juror B37 said, what it came down to is the last moments before the shot, and in those moments, George's life was in danger, which is why there was nowhere to go but not guilty.





And up until the last moments Trayvons life was in danger. Petty fuckin obvious that. And there is no evidence and was no evidence presented that the gun was holstered. (because if it was, that is a huge problem there, and the other one the route described by zimmerman to the police on the walk thru)




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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/24/2013 8:30:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

A huge problem in your mind.

The jury and rational people seemed to have no problem following the logic of the expert witness who makes your claim look like the nonsense that it is.


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail


quote:

ORIGINAL: Raiikun

Considering the gun was holstered until right before the shot, if Trayovn had killed George, he would have killed someone with a still holstered gun. There would have been a witness with Trayvon on top of George, with George screaming for help for nearly a minute, with zero evidence of any force ever used or implied against Trayvon.

And it wasn't a lack of evidence that got George off. It was the overwhelming evidence that George was a victim of an attack that he defended himself from. As Juror B37 said, what it came down to is the last moments before the shot, and in those moments, George's life was in danger, which is why there was nowhere to go but not guilty.





And up until the last moments Trayvons life was in danger. Petty fuckin obvious that. And there is no evidence and was no evidence presented that the gun was holstered. (because if it was, that is a huge problem there, and the other one the route described by zimmerman to the police on the walk thru)






Yeah, that is assumption, because there was no expert witness that said Zimmermans head was repeatedly bashed into the sidewalk, no expert witness that said this route makes sense, no expert witness that said Trayvon attacked first.

You dont have even a small problem in your mind, not possessing one.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/24/2013 8:32:41 AM   
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You said the ability to access the gun was a huge problem.

And the expert witness proves that you are once again, simply flinging up any lie you can think of, because you are upset that 'those f'ing illegals always get away'.



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ORIGINAL: mnottertail


quote:

ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

A huge problem in your mind.

The jury and rational people seemed to have no problem following the logic of the expert witness who makes your claim look like the nonsense that it is.


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail


quote:

ORIGINAL: Raiikun

Considering the gun was holstered until right before the shot, if Trayovn had killed George, he would have killed someone with a still holstered gun. There would have been a witness with Trayvon on top of George, with George screaming for help for nearly a minute, with zero evidence of any force ever used or implied against Trayvon.

And it wasn't a lack of evidence that got George off. It was the overwhelming evidence that George was a victim of an attack that he defended himself from. As Juror B37 said, what it came down to is the last moments before the shot, and in those moments, George's life was in danger, which is why there was nowhere to go but not guilty.





And up until the last moments Trayvons life was in danger. Petty fuckin obvious that. And there is no evidence and was no evidence presented that the gun was holstered. (because if it was, that is a huge problem there, and the other one the route described by zimmerman to the police on the walk thru)






Yeah, that is assumption, because there was no expert witness that said Zimmermans head was repeatedly bashed into the sidewalk, no expert witness that said this route makes sense, no expert witness that said Trayvon attacked first.

You dont have even a small problem in your mind, not possessing one.



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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/24/2013 8:34:13 AM   
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And up until the last moments Trayvons life was in danger. Petty fuckin obvious that.



Pure fabrication.

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And there is no evidence and was no evidence presented that the gun was holstered. (because if it was, that is a huge problem there, and the other one the route described by zimmerman to the police on the walk thru)



Yes there is. Which is why the girl Trayvon was on the phone with admits she doesn't think the gun was pulled before Trayvon hit George.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/24/2013 8:39:36 AM   
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You said the ability to access the gun was a huge problem.

And the expert witness proves that you are once again, simply flinging up any lie you can think of, because you are upset that 'those f'ing illegals always get away'.





So as guy that wasnt there, said what? How did this weakling with knees in the armpits retrieve the gun, and where was his elbow where was his hand when he did retrieve it, and shoot a kid leaning over him without contact shooting him, I wanna see the physics of this amazing metaphysical but weak arm.

'those f'ing illegals always get away'. and why do you say that constantly, we have you quoting yourself on that several times, what is the significance of your shiteating sentence there? if you search for that sentence your name comes up, and your name only, so it is attributed only to you, so what is meant by that bit of cock gargling you are doing there?

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/24/2013 8:45:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Raiikun


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And up until the last moments Trayvons life was in danger. Petty fuckin obvious that.



Pure fabrication.

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And there is no evidence and was no evidence presented that the gun was holstered. (because if it was, that is a huge problem there, and the other one the route described by zimmerman to the police on the walk thru)



Yes there is. Which is why the girl Trayvon was on the phone with admits she doesn't think the gun was pulled before Trayvon hit George.




Pure fabrication? How is it that he is not dead then? Liberal media bias with that little bit of fabrication?

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/24/2013 8:47:59 AM   
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What exactly is warped about my views on racism?

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Asked and answered.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/24/2013 9:07:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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And you are presuming guilt based on your warped view of racism.
ps you have two votes.


What exactly is warped about my views on racism?

You ignore evidence, for example, the FBI did a complete investigation and found no cause to think race played a part in the Martin shooting and yet you insist that it obviously did. Case study in white guilt.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/24/2013 10:41:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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You said the ability to access the gun was a huge problem.

And the expert witness proves that you are once again, simply flinging up any lie you can think of, because you are upset that 'those f'ing illegals always get away'.





So as guy that wasnt there, said what? How did this weakling with knees in the armpits retrieve the gun, and where was his elbow where was his hand when he did retrieve it, and shoot a kid leaning over him without contact shooting him, I wanna see the physics of this amazing metaphysical but weak arm.




There is no evidence that Trayvon's knees were in George's armpits at the moment the shot was fired. Whether or not Trayvon might have been straddling there doesn't matter, we know for a fact there was a lot of movement during the fight, with Trayvon on top.

The forensics show definitively that Trayvon was on top of George at the moment the shot was fired, with the evidence 100% consistent with the gun being holstered until that point.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/24/2013 10:48:04 AM   
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then he was not in danger. No head bashing, no knees in armpits, free to withdraw his gun....

Like I said, Trayvon should have killed him in self-defense, and it would be in 100% compliance with the evidence he would have presented. And he would be free, instead of dead.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/24/2013 11:07:26 AM   
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I'm starting to think you haven't actually watched the trial, seeing as how you have yet to say anything here that actually matches the law and evidence presented at trial.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/24/2013 11:10:40 AM   
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Yeah, I watched enough to know that had it been Zimmerman killed, it should have went the same way.

Remember you are the pure fabrication, and that only leads to Trayvon not being dead. What the fuck are you watching?

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/24/2013 11:12:00 AM   
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You dont have even a small problem in your mind, not possessing one.


FUNNY INDEED

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/24/2013 11:30:14 AM   
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You ignore evidence, for example, the FBI did a complete investigation and found no cause to think race played a part in the Martin shooting and yet you insist that it obviously did. Case study in white guilt.


Emphasis Mine.

I have not insisted on anything.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/24/2013 11:55:29 AM   
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Yeah, I watched enough to know that had it been Zimmerman killed, it should have went the same way.

Remember you are the pure fabrication, and that only leads to Trayvon not being dead. What the fuck are you watching?


Do you always resort to logical fallacies when wrong? I actually have pointed out the law and evidence, your responses boil down to "nuh uh!"

It's humorous actually.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/24/2013 12:01:55 PM   
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No, I allow you the logical fallacies, since that is all that you have.

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Raikin:


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And up until the last moments Trayvons life was in danger. Petty fuckin obvious that.



Pure fabrication.




And for fucks sake, something that stupid can only be answered with nuh uh, cuz he is dead, of course that is prima facie evidence of his life being in danger. Waltz me thru your non-fallacy of illegitimate appeal to stupidity (cuz that is text case) for an example.


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