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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/24/2013 12:36:54 PM   
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Which as usual sidesteps the actual evidence as to why he got shot.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/24/2013 12:39:30 PM   
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there is no actual evidence as to why he got shot. Both sides were self defense, after stupid moves by Zimmerman (proven) and Zimmermans word about stupid moves by Trayvon (and since Zimmerman is a known liar and I have two very big issues with how could that possibly be true)... I aint sidestepping shit. It is what it is. Zimmerman won that encounter by killing the teenager.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/24/2013 12:46:30 PM   
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1). There is still no lie proven by George.
2) There is overwhelming evidence that George shot because his life was in imminent danger if he hadn't. The defense proved that at trial even though that was not their obligation to do.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/24/2013 12:48:41 PM   
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yeah, the money and accounts, the 6 or seven versions of the story........... he didnt prove shit.

and trayvons was in imminent danger, had he killed him it would be a different day.

The defense proved nothing other than there was not enough eyewitnesses to anything to point out the very large problems in his story.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/24/2013 12:58:37 PM   
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Two detectives under oath testified that the inconsistencies in George's story were minor and normal, especially after a traumatic event...and George did not testify about the money....so nope, still no evidence of George lying.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/24/2013 1:03:50 PM   
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Yeah, like I said, lots of blank spots. Did anybody testify that if you shoot them in the chest killing them, after stalking them, their life would be in danger and that would be self-defense to pound that lying motherfuckers head into the sidewalk making paste of it and that would be sweet freedom too?

Cut that is what should have happened.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/24/2013 1:06:13 PM   
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Except George never stalked anyone, per Florida law, and the evidence is such that if Trayvon hadn't attacked George unprovoked, or had ceased when George was screaming for help, he'd still be alive today.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/24/2013 1:15:14 PM   
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The defense proved nothing other than there was not enough eyewitnesses to anything to point out the very large problems in his story.


I accuse YOU of killing someone. We don't know the motive so we go for 2nd degree. We know the guy is dead. You were there. There are no witnesses. You must have done it.

Confess ! You fucking murderer.

Oh you want a trial ? A fair trial ? Who the fuck do you think you are ? We are going to try you in the media and just because people think you are guilty we are going to try to try you again. If you don't go to prison where our savages can get to you, our savages on the not yet in prison have a bounty on your head.

The people who heard all the evidence and made the decision based on same matter not. You will pay. Next time motherfucker, just die like you were supposed to because if you ain't Black, ATTACK ! We own this country now and you still owe us more.

And don't look at me. You ain't allowed to see my face. I will pound your head into the ground if you can ID me. Why didn't I call 911 when your honky ass was watching me ? Damned if I want the cops to know where I am. Fuck you, I am allowed to be on this street, not you. These are my streets motherfucker, and don't you forget it. Now go back into your house behind your barred windows and double dead bolt locked doors while I clean out your garage, no charge.

You don't like the shoe on the other foot do you ?

The motherfucker was found not guilty and I do not care what kind of wet___ or N_____ or whatever the fuck he is (even White !), the court cleared him. If you don't like it because of White guilt, go keep an eye on the royal baby. You want to atone for White Man's sins, move to fucking Zimbabwe where they run things and see how you do. you'll fucking atone alright. you think they will treat you like we treat them ? Ask the White farmers who USED to be there.

Fuck White guilt.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/24/2013 1:25:11 PM   
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Except George never stalked anyone, per Florida law, and the evidence is such that if Trayvon hadn't attacked George unprovoked, or had ceased when George was screaming for help, he'd still be alive today.


if Zimmerman hadn't attacked Trayvon, or had ceased when Trayvon was screaming for help, you mean, he would be alive today, or bashed his head in and killed him.

Then hed be alive today.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/24/2013 1:35:50 PM   
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Nope. What I said is what matches the facts.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/24/2013 1:37:38 PM   
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*Waits for another "nuh uh" post even though the evidence has proven I am right.*

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/24/2013 1:38:09 PM   
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and what I said also matches with evidence, which is not facts as you have it. They are not the same. No fact that Trayvon was the aggressor and no fact that George was not stalking and no fact that Trayvon wasnt screaming for help.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/24/2013 1:44:12 PM   
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Nope, nothing you've said matches the evidence shown in trial. At all. I am speaking from proven fact, law, and evidence, and you're making stuff up.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/24/2013 1:53:38 PM   
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Uh, no............

Three scientists ride the train from Glasgow to London.

While still in Scotland the first man, an astronomer; seeing a sheep out the window exclaims, "Look, all the sheep in Scotland are black!"

The second, a mathematician, sipping his ice cold Jameson adjures, "There is one
sheep in Scotland that is known to be black."

The third, a physicist, puffs rapidly upon his pipe, exhaling; and with a deep sigh
intones, "In Scotland there exists at least one sheep, of which one side appears to be
black, when viewed from a moving train, from some distance."

That is the difference between fact and evidence.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/24/2013 2:26:37 PM   
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Which is why I said both fact and evidence. So again you've refuted nothing.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/24/2013 2:34:44 PM   
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I am not here to refute anything, I see no evidence nor fact in the media or from you, that changes my mind regarding what happened. Nor do I see a fact or evidence that would change my mind if Trayvon had killed that lying motherfucker. He would be in school now, and walking to his fathers girlfriends house, unmolested.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/24/2013 2:51:09 PM   
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quote:

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I am not here to refute anything, I see no evidence nor fact in the media or from you, that changes my mind regarding what happened. Nor do I see a fact or evidence that would change my mind if Trayvon had killed that lying motherfucker. He would be in school now, and walking to his fathers girlfriends house, unmolested.


Actually that is wrong on at least two counts.
He was suspended from school for pot smoking and fighting.
And there is no school in June.

Unless he was in remedial school, which I have never heard.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/24/2013 2:58:40 PM   
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He would have been off suspension by now. And probably in summerschool, hah?

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/24/2013 3:01:06 PM   
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The fact remains that being black makes you more likely to be convicted of a crime.

Is the Criminal Justice System Racist?

In 1997, criminologists Robert Sampson and Janet Lauritsen reviewed the massive literature on charging and sentencing. They concluded that “large racial differences in criminal offending,” not racism, explained why more blacks were in prison proportionately than whites and for longer terms.

A 1987 analysis of Georgia felony convictions, for example, found that blacks frequently received disproportionately lenient punishment.

A 1990 study of 11,000 California cases found that slight racial disparities in sentence length resulted from blacks’ prior records and other legally relevant variables.

A 1994 Justice Department survey of felony cases from the country’s 75 largest urban areas discovered that blacks actually had a lower chance of prosecution following a felony than whites did and that they were less likely to be found guilty at trial. Following conviction, blacks were more likely to receive prison sentences, however—an outcome that reflected the gravity of their offenses as well as their criminal records.

Another criminologist—easily as liberal as Sampson—reached the same conclusion in 1995: “Racial differences in patterns of offending, not racial bias by police and other officials, are the principal reason that such greater proportions of blacks than whites are arrested, prosecuted, convicted and imprisoned,” Michael Tonry wrote in Malign Neglect...

The media’s favorite criminologist, Alfred Blumstein, found in 1993 that blacks were significantly underrepresented in prison for homicide compared with their presence in arrest.


But, of course...

This consensus hasn’t made the slightest dent in the ongoing search for systemic racism.

K.



Great post. But observe it is unheeded. Logic and facts not supporting an individuals view are ignored or at best spun in their direction. Take the trial verdict itself. Ignored. Take the FBI conclusion that George is not a racist. Ignored. Take the fact there is no justification for an investigation by the Justice Department. Ignored. Take George's rescue of that family, he an his body guard, spun into something "staged" for George's benefit.

I've come to the conclusion a large segment of the American population is insane. It is a frightening thought.

One bright light in an otherwise dark conclusion, Justice. Not ignored. Done.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/24/2013 3:10:12 PM   
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I am not here to refute anything, I see no evidence nor fact in the media or from you, that changes my mind regarding what happened. Nor do I see a fact or evidence that would change my mind if Trayvon had killed that lying motherfucker. He would be in school now, and walking to his fathers girlfriends house, unmolested.


Well good thing I have never presumed you to be open minded enough to accept the truth if it clashes with your preconceived and unfounded notions.

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