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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 1/27/2014 10:22:49 PM   
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No, I don't remember any questions like that in my permit application. That's what I'm getting at, there should be. Me personally, if I knew my child had emotional or mental issues and also a gun permit, as his parent, I would have informed the authorities.



If a party close to the individual has concerns, I think they have a right, even an obligation, to step in somehow.

On the other hand, a potential side effect of a medication is a mighty slippery slope to be looking for footing on, when it comes to stripping a person of a credential.

Here's a hypothetical. I can do a hell of a lot more damage with a motor vehicle than I'd ever pull off with any firearm in my possession. Should my license to drive be pulled, if I try Chantix to quit smoking?

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 1/27/2014 10:34:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		There`s a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong history of violence, arrests, assaults and anti-social behavior.....


Because he beat one of his raps......... he`s no longer going to be a bully?




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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 1/27/2014 10:40:06 PM   
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No, I don't remember any questions like that in my permit application. That's what I'm getting at, there should be. Me personally, if I knew my child had emotional or mental issues and also a gun permit, as his parent, I would have informed the authorities.

The problem is that this leads to the proposal I have seen that gun owners should have
an annual psych evaluation.
This has been proposed in NJ
Nancy Pelosi has said that all combat veterans should be banned from owning guns do to possible
psych problems.


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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 1/27/2014 10:41:13 PM   
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There`s a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong history of violence, arrests, assaults and anti-social behavior.....


Because he beat one of his raps......... he`s no longer going to be a bully?




He beat all of them.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 1/27/2014 11:15:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Perhaps but the fact remains that it was Martin, not Zimmerman who decided that violence was the answer.

Not a fact, conjecture.

Fact: Zimmerman shot and killed Martin when he could have stayed in his vehicle and did what the police told him to do.

Fact: Zimmerman put himself in a situation where violence was a possibility when it was *completely* unnecessary for him to do so.

Conjecture: Zimmerman is a dangerous, mentally unstable, violence prone individual who will likely kill again and/or be killed.

There's a difference.



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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 1/28/2014 4:10:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		TH, valid points but I didn't mean the potential side effects of the drugs. I'm talking about the mental and or emotional instabitlty that caused him to be on the medication to begin with.

Just because we have the right to own something doesn't necessarily make it right to own and with that ownership comes accountability and responsibility.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 1/28/2014 6:45:53 AM   
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Conjecture: Zimmerman is a dangerous, mentally unstable, violence prone individual who will likely kill again and/or be killed.

A hellova lot of people fall under that category.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 1/28/2014 7:00:47 AM   
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Nancy Pelosi has said that all combat veterans should be banned from owning guns do to possible
psych problems.



Really REALLY??? RREALLLY?????????? you couldnt get anything MORE wrong if you tried.
Bloody hell talk about screwing facts up.
and you wonder there is so little credibility for your posts

Senator Dianne Feinstein, referencing a proposed amendment exempting veterans from her bill banning assault weapons:

SEN. DIANNE FEINSTEIN: If I understand this, this adds an exemption of retired military. As I understand our bill, no issue has arose in this regard during the 10 years the expired ban was in effect and what we did in the other bill was exempt possession by the United States or a department or agency of the United States. So that included active military.
The problem with expanding this is that, you know, with the advent of PTSD, which I think is a new phenomenon as a product of the Iraq War, it’s not clear how the seller or transferrer of a firearm covered by this bill would verify that an individual was a member, or a veteran, and that there was no impairment of that individual with respect to having a weapon like this.
So, you know, I would be happy to sit down with you again and see if we could work something out but I think we have to– if you’re going to do this, find a way that veterans who are incapacitated for one reason or another mentally don’t have access to this kind of weapon.
Fucking DUH


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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 1/28/2014 8:04:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


Nancy Pelosi has said that all combat veterans should be banned from owning guns do to possible
psych problems.



Really REALLY??? RREALLLY?????????? you couldnt get anything MORE wrong if you tried.
Bloody hell talk about screwing facts up.
and you wonder there is so little credibility for your posts

Senator Dianne Feinstein, referencing a proposed amendment exempting veterans from her bill banning assault weapons:

SEN. DIANNE FEINSTEIN: If I understand this, this adds an exemption of retired military. As I understand our bill, no issue has arose in this regard during the 10 years the expired ban was in effect and what we did in the other bill was exempt possession by the United States or a department or agency of the United States. So that included active military.
The problem with expanding this is that, you know, with the advent of PTSD, which I think is a new phenomenon as a product of the Iraq War, it’s not clear how the seller or transferrer of a firearm covered by this bill would verify that an individual was a member, or a veteran, and that there was no impairment of that individual with respect to having a weapon like this.
So, you know, I would be happy to sit down with you again and see if we could work something out but I think we have to– if you’re going to do this, find a way that veterans who are incapacitated for one reason or another mentally don’t have access to this kind of weapon.
Fucking DUH


Your quote does not mean that mine didn't happen only that you don't want it to.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 1/28/2014 8:32:51 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


Nancy Pelosi has said that all combat veterans should be banned from owning guns do to possible
psych problems.



Really REALLY??? RREALLLY?????????? you couldnt get anything MORE wrong if you tried.
Bloody hell talk about screwing facts up.
and you wonder there is so little credibility for your posts

Senator Dianne Feinstein, referencing a proposed amendment exempting veterans from her bill banning assault weapons:

SEN. DIANNE FEINSTEIN: If I understand this, this adds an exemption of retired military. As I understand our bill, no issue has arose in this regard during the 10 years the expired ban was in effect and what we did in the other bill was exempt possession by the United States or a department or agency of the United States. So that included active military.
The problem with expanding this is that, you know, with the advent of PTSD, which I think is a new phenomenon as a product of the Iraq War, it’s not clear how the seller or transferrer of a firearm covered by this bill would verify that an individual was a member, or a veteran, and that there was no impairment of that individual with respect to having a weapon like this.
So, you know, I would be happy to sit down with you again and see if we could work something out but I think we have to– if you’re going to do this, find a way that veterans who are incapacitated for one reason or another mentally don’t have access to this kind of weapon.
Fucking DUH




It almost Orwellian....


You say torture and they say 'Ministry of Love"


You say war and they say "Ministry of Peace"


You say lynchings/STG-vigilantism and they say "Ministry of Justice"


You say "bridgegate" and they say Benghazi....


It`s creepy really.....cultish and contrived...






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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 1/28/2014 8:38:02 AM   
BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Owner59


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


Nancy Pelosi has said that all combat veterans should be banned from owning guns do to possible
psych problems.



Really REALLY??? RREALLLY?????????? you couldnt get anything MORE wrong if you tried.
Bloody hell talk about screwing facts up.
and you wonder there is so little credibility for your posts

Senator Dianne Feinstein, referencing a proposed amendment exempting veterans from her bill banning assault weapons:

SEN. DIANNE FEINSTEIN: If I understand this, this adds an exemption of retired military. As I understand our bill, no issue has arose in this regard during the 10 years the expired ban was in effect and what we did in the other bill was exempt possession by the United States or a department or agency of the United States. So that included active military.
The problem with expanding this is that, you know, with the advent of PTSD, which I think is a new phenomenon as a product of the Iraq War, it’s not clear how the seller or transferrer of a firearm covered by this bill would verify that an individual was a member, or a veteran, and that there was no impairment of that individual with respect to having a weapon like this.
So, you know, I would be happy to sit down with you again and see if we could work something out but I think we have to– if you’re going to do this, find a way that veterans who are incapacitated for one reason or another mentally don’t have access to this kind of weapon.
Fucking DUH




It almost Orwellian....


You say torture and they say 'Ministry of Love"


You say war and they say "Ministry of Peace"


You say lynchings/STG-vigilantism and they say "Ministry of Justice"


You say "bridgegate" and they say Benghazi....


It`s creepy really.....cultish and contrived...






bridgegate is bad, Benghazi is worse

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 1/28/2014 8:43:00 AM   
BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


Nancy Pelosi has said that all combat veterans should be banned from owning guns do to possible
psych problems.



Really REALLY??? RREALLLY?????????? you couldnt get anything MORE wrong if you tried.
Bloody hell talk about screwing facts up.
and you wonder there is so little credibility for your posts

Senator Dianne Feinstein, referencing a proposed amendment exempting veterans from her bill banning assault weapons:

SEN. DIANNE FEINSTEIN: If I understand this, this adds an exemption of retired military. As I understand our bill, no issue has arose in this regard during the 10 years the expired ban was in effect and what we did in the other bill was exempt possession by the United States or a department or agency of the United States. So that included active military.
The problem with expanding this is that, you know, with the advent of PTSD, which I think is a new phenomenon as a product of the Iraq War, it’s not clear how the seller or transferrer of a firearm covered by this bill would verify that an individual was a member, or a veteran, and that there was no impairment of that individual with respect to having a weapon like this.
So, you know, I would be happy to sit down with you again and see if we could work something out but I think we have to– if you’re going to do this, find a way that veterans who are incapacitated for one reason or another mentally don’t have access to this kind of weapon.
Fucking DUH


Your quote carries a presumption that veterans are sick people, if they shouldn't have
assault weapons then they shouldn't have guns, or for that matter cars knifes or fertilizer period.


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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 1/28/2014 8:57:19 AM   
Owner59


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


Nancy Pelosi has said that all combat veterans should be banned from owning guns do to possible
psych problems.



Really REALLY??? RREALLLY?????????? you couldnt get anything MORE wrong if you tried.
Bloody hell talk about screwing facts up.
and you wonder there is so little credibility for your posts

Senator Dianne Feinstein, referencing a proposed amendment exempting veterans from her bill banning assault weapons:

SEN. DIANNE FEINSTEIN: If I understand this, this adds an exemption of retired military. As I understand our bill, no issue has arose in this regard during the 10 years the expired ban was in effect and what we did in the other bill was exempt possession by the United States or a department or agency of the United States. So that included active military.
The problem with expanding this is that, you know, with the advent of PTSD, which I think is a new phenomenon as a product of the Iraq War, it’s not clear how the seller or transferrer of a firearm covered by this bill would verify that an individual was a member, or a veteran, and that there was no impairment of that individual with respect to having a weapon like this.
So, you know, I would be happy to sit down with you again and see if we could work something out but I think we have to– if you’re going to do this, find a way that veterans who are incapacitated for one reason or another mentally don’t have access to this kind of weapon.
Fucking DUH




It almost Orwellian....


You say torture and they say 'Ministry of Love"


You say war and they say "Ministry of Peace"


You say lynchings/STG-vigilantism and they say "Ministry of Justice"


You say "bridgegate" and they say Benghazi....


It`s creepy really.....cultish and contrived...






bridgegate is bad, Benghazi is worse



What evidence of wrong-doing by the President is there?



Be specific.



There`s reams of evidence and witnesses connecting Christie to Bridgegate.



It`s Orwellian how republicans automatically repeat the talking points with no regard to reality....


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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 1/28/2014 9:16:50 AM   
BamaD


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Status: offline 		Are you aware that this threat is not about your hatred of conservatives?

Obama just sacked the man who commanded two carrier task forces in the Med
at the time of Benghazi and criticized the handling of it. This means that the claim
that there was no help to send is a lie.

Nobody died in bridgegate

I will not answer any more of your totally off topic comments.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 1/28/2014 9:20:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		I love how somehow Obama always ties into this case for what reason exactly? LOL
Anyway... *eye roll*

< Message edited by GoddessManko -- 1/28/2014 9:22:26 AM >

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 1/28/2014 9:35:20 AM   
Owner59


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

Are you aware that this threat is not about your hatred of conservatives?

Obama just sacked the man who commanded two carrier task forces in the Med
at the time of Benghazi and criticized the handling of it. This means that the claim
that there was no help to send is a lie.

Nobody died in bridgegate

I will not answer any more of your totally off topic comments.


It only seems like hate b/c that how you think...


Believe me dude...no one`s giving it that much thought and the world/reality doesn`t revolve around or belong to conservatives....It would a bit arrogant and narcissistic to think it does...


And you`re wrong......someone did die in Bridgegate......but I`m not surprise you didn`t know that being a fox news viewer.


In Benghazi...we were attacked by heavily armed terrorists....


In NJ, we were attacked by our governor.....Think about that.

< Message edited by Owner59 -- 1/28/2014 9:49:50 AM >

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 1/28/2014 10:25:03 AM   
BamaD


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ORIGINAL: GoddessManko

I love how somehow Obama always ties into this case for what reason exactly? LOL
Anyway... *eye roll*

Ask owner 59 he was the one who ran it there

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 1/28/2014 10:28:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		There are threads for both bridgegate and Benghazi, use them

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 1/28/2014 11:27:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Owner59

There`s a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong history of violence, arrests, assaults and anti-social behavior.....


Because he beat one of his raps......... he`s no longer going to be a bully?




He beat all of them.


And for a while, so did Al Capone, John Gotti, and many others. It doesn't mean Zimmerman wasn't/isn't guilty. It just means he got away with his actions. Hopefully, next time he will have a less gullible jury.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 1/28/2014 11:44:05 AM   
Owner59


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Status: offline 		OJ "beat them all" ..... until he didn`t.


Not going to ask the off-topic police if it`s ok to mention OJ....


And like with poor George....there are/were sadly, plenty of "fans" who`ll never admit OJ`s a criminal.

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