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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/16/2013 10:23:45 PM

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/16/2013 10:30:00 PM

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Seems 4 other jurors are not happy about what the one said last night.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/16/2013 10:40:28 PM

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http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4499166

Reading back through the thread, this appeared to some here, and myself in reflection, as if I was agreeing with someone's assessment of another poster. Let me say, that is not the case. I tried to post a smiley of three smilies playing poker, and it didnt work.. so I tossed up the bullseye. It was meant to indicate the games people play, not the targeting of one poster by another or the fact that anyone scored any points.

I felt that needed to be explained.

For the smiley in question....

http://cspost.freeforums.org/download/file.php?forumicon=Animation3poker.gif

I am sorry for any confusion my original post may have caused.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/17/2013 12:07:20 AM

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Zimmerman did not go back to his truck. There is simply no way he would have been where the fight occurred if he headed back to his truck when the call to the police ended 2 minutes prior to the start of the fight.

Nor did I said he had. The evidence that was presented (Serino, 13 yr witness, and others) said that he was headed back to his truck - not that he got there.
Look man - present ANY evidence that zimmerman jumped martin.

There simply ISN'T any.

Just how far do you think Zimmerman walked while on the phone? The fight occurred just around the corner from his truck and only 70 yards from Martin's home. There is simply no way he went far enough away from his vehicle to have only gotten to the scene of the fight in 2 minutes. He was still looking for Martin. He was not on his way back to his truck.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/17/2013 12:10:30 AM

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One moral of this story is you can end a fist-fight or wrestling match against an unarmed opponent with a handgun and walk away scott-free to cheers from Fox News.

I think David Simon was more upset with the verdict than DomKen.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Cool heads with sound views are very much appreciated.

I'm not really upset by the verdict. It was the likely outcome with the sorry state of the Florida law and justice system.

I'm disgusted with the almost celebratory mood amongst certain people that a guy got away with killing an unarmed teen in a fight that would never have occurred if Zimmerman had not been emboldened by the fact he was armed.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/17/2013 12:11:22 AM

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Zimmerman did not go back to his truck. There is simply no way he would have been where the fight occurred if he headed back to his truck when the call to the police ended 2 minutes prior to the start of the fight.

Nor did I said he had. The evidence that was presented (Serino, 13 yr witness, and others) said that he was headed back to his truck - not that he got there.
Look man - present ANY evidence that zimmerman jumped martin.

There simply ISN'T any.

Just how far do you think Zimmerman walked while on the phone? The fight occurred just around the corner from his truck and only 70 yards from Martin's home. There is simply no way he went far enough away from his vehicle to have only gotten to the scene of the fight in 2 minutes. He was still looking for Martin. He was not on his way back to his truck.

How far do you think Martin walked while Zimmerman was on the phone the confrontation occurred just around the corner no wat he would be there if he was trying to avoid Zimmerman

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/17/2013 12:13:04 AM

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

One moral of this story is you can end a fist-fight or wrestling match against an unarmed opponent with a handgun and walk away scott-free to cheers from Fox News.

I think David Simon was more upset with the verdict than DomKen.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Cool heads with sound views are very much appreciated.

I'm not really upset by the verdict. It was the likely outcome with the sorry state of the Florida law and justice system.

I'm disgusted with the almost celebratory mood amongst certain people that a guy got away with killing an unarmed teen in a fight that would never have occurred if Zimmerman had not been emboldened by the fact he was armed.

Or if Martin had not attacked him

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/17/2013 12:14:34 AM

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Zimmerman did not go back to his truck. There is simply no way he would have been where the fight occurred if he headed back to his truck when the call to the police ended 2 minutes prior to the start of the fight.

Nor did I said he had. The evidence that was presented (Serino, 13 yr witness, and others) said that he was headed back to his truck - not that he got there.
Look man - present ANY evidence that zimmerman jumped martin.

There simply ISN'T any.

Just how far do you think Zimmerman walked while on the phone? The fight occurred just around the corner from his truck and only 70 yards from Martin's home. There is simply no way he went far enough away from his vehicle to have only gotten to the scene of the fight in 2 minutes. He was still looking for Martin. He was not on his way back to his truck.

How far do you think Martin walked while Zimmerman was on the phone the confrontation occurred just around the corner no wat he would be there if he was trying to avoid Zimmerman

It was on the direct route to his back door so yes he was supposed to be there. The fact that he hid from the guy who was chasing him is just common sense.

And the fact is that Zimmerman clearly was not on his way back to his truck.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/17/2013 12:19:50 AM

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Zimmerman did not go back to his truck. There is simply no way he would have been where the fight occurred if he headed back to his truck when the call to the police ended 2 minutes prior to the start of the fight.

Nor did I said he had. The evidence that was presented (Serino, 13 yr witness, and others) said that he was headed back to his truck - not that he got there.
Look man - present ANY evidence that zimmerman jumped martin.

There simply ISN'T any.

Just how far do you think Zimmerman walked while on the phone? The fight occurred just around the corner from his truck and only 70 yards from Martin's home. There is simply no way he went far enough away from his vehicle to have only gotten to the scene of the fight in 2 minutes. He was still looking for Martin. He was not on his way back to his truck.

How far do you think Martin walked while Zimmerman was on the phone the confrontation occurred just around the corner no wat he would be there if he was trying to avoid Zimmerman

It was on the direct route to his back door so yes he was supposed to be there. The fact that he hid from the guy who was chasing him is just common sense.

And the fact is that Zimmerman clearly was not on his way back to his truck.

Just around the corner heading toward his truck and clearly not on his way to it?
Where do you think he was walking to Los Angeles ?

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/17/2013 12:25:25 AM

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Zimmerman did not go back to his truck. There is simply no way he would have been where the fight occurred if he headed back to his truck when the call to the police ended 2 minutes prior to the start of the fight.

Nor did I said he had. The evidence that was presented (Serino, 13 yr witness, and others) said that he was headed back to his truck - not that he got there.
Look man - present ANY evidence that zimmerman jumped martin.

There simply ISN'T any.

Just how far do you think Zimmerman walked while on the phone? The fight occurred just around the corner from his truck and only 70 yards from Martin's home. There is simply no way he went far enough away from his vehicle to have only gotten to the scene of the fight in 2 minutes. He was still looking for Martin. He was not on his way back to his truck.

How far do you think Martin walked while Zimmerman was on the phone the confrontation occurred just around the corner no wat he would be there if he was trying to avoid Zimmerman

It was on the direct route to his back door so yes he was supposed to be there. The fact that he hid from the guy who was chasing him is just common sense.

And the fact is that Zimmerman clearly was not on his way back to his truck.

But he didn't he stopped and confronted Zimmerman then attacked him.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/17/2013 1:04:39 AM

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Most likely what happened, is George waited by RVC for a minute, gave up (it was dark and raining and he thought Trayvon was long gone), so he returned to his truck and the confrontation occurred along the way, 150 feet from George's track and about 450 feet from Trayvon's home.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/17/2013 1:49:45 AM

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Where the fuck were all you eyewitnesses during the trial ?

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/17/2013 2:55:12 AM

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ROTFL!! The denier who claims that no infected blankets were ever used by the Brits to kill off native populations, who denies that any massacres took place under the Raj, who claims that the 'former colonials' were better off being property of the white man...

Is suddenly too delicate in his sensibilities for the Queen's English?

Go ahead and have your gossip fest, I suspect that all of you put together can't change the light bulb of taking the number '1' away from my current name to get my old one.

I get it, suggest I am too delicate for certain terms, and hopefully that absolves you from making racist slurs.

This is your problem, you cant help making accusations based on what you want me to say, instead of what I have said. The smallpox blankets is a fine example. You will be hard pushed to verify any of the bullshit you are slinging about.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/17/2013 2:57:41 AM

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Thanks for pounding your emphasis at every opportunity that you are incapable of understanding the distinction or difference between the law and actual justice.

You've brought it up. So explain it. What IS the difference? I believe we all agree on what the law is - what is "actual justice"?

Good question Steven. Surely we all agree some laws are unjust, in the first instance. We can also agree some court cases result in an unjust verdict due to technical considerations.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/17/2013 4:12:18 AM

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Thanks for pounding your emphasis at every opportunity that you are incapable of understanding the distinction or difference between the law and actual justice.

You've brought it up. So explain it. What IS the difference? I believe we all agree on what the law is - what is "actual justice"?

In the first place, if we all agreed on what the law is, there would be no need for the court system.

I'm not proclaiming that there is a precise definition of what constitutes justice at any given time in the course of a society's rendering or estimation of such.

But I would hope that at least some here would recognize that some laws and some verdicts have not always gone hand in hand with many people's concept of justice.

If some people are proclaiming (as in fact many here are, yourself apparently among them) that justice always has been and still is defined by current (or contemporaneous) law, or by any and every jury verdict or court decision, then we are thereby informed that the former slave laws, e.g., and the several court decisions that upheld those laws, constitute 'justice.'

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/17/2013 6:26:19 AM

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Thanks

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/17/2013 6:33:43 AM

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I would not only want but I would demand that I be allowed to provide testimony to the jury

It is often said that an attorney who represents himself has a fool for a client. A citizen who ignores his attorney is an even bigger fool.
The state had clearly not met its burden. Why give the political persecutors in this show trial anything- except a lawsuit???

I wouldn't. And I bet that you're smart enough not to also, in real life.....

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/17/2013 6:41:45 AM

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What so many here fail to realize is that, for many of us, carrying a gun is no more unusual than wearing a belt, or shoes. That would not change if I was part of some "formal" neighborhood watch.
If I'm going to the store I grab a .45 before I put on my shoes.
Just an absolutely normal part of everyday life.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/17/2013 6:45:37 AM

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Also, Zimmerman was assaulted since he was protecting himself, remember what the verdict was, and guess who is responsible for their underage son and what he did to Zimmerman? Exactly. Guess what is going to happen real, real soon...

One can only hope....

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/17/2013 6:56:53 AM

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instructions which specifically ommitted the relevant included lesser charge

What charge would that be?

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