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What makes you a great partner? - 7/21/2013 11:08:43 AM   
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When talking to potential partners through the years and asking about their qualities, potential subs often say things like, "I love to serve," and "I am obedient and loyal." These are fairly standard. I like to have men really think about what they can say that makes them different. But these are "submissive" qualities - and often these are even "vanilla" qualities, too, if you think about it.

What makes a "bottom" a great partner though? I can think about partners who absolutely BLEW MY MIND when I dominated physically - through bondage, making the endure pain, strap on play, mindfucks, breath play, or whatever my sadistic, sensual mind was urging me to do. I can also share what a crappy partner partner did, and I was hoping others could do the same, because I feel like bottoming isn't talked about enough. It's like the red-headed stepchild of BDSM.

What does an awesome submissive bottom do?

* He reacts - intensely, honestly, passionately.
That means eye contact (if he isn't blindfolded). He tries to communicate every available emotion in his scale to my soul with the use of his eyes, often so effectivel y that I have to look away out of discomfort or blindfold him because it gives me chills or makes me ache with lust.

* He uses his mouth
I am orally fixated on a man's mouth. If I am not USING it (lol), he licks his lips (nerves, or bites his lips, thinking, etc) to make me take note of it, he does things to make me look at his mouth - it makes me think of kissing him, or using his mouth in some manner, or gagging him, or ...oh my. Just anything.

* He moves his body in subtle, suggestive ways
A bottom knows I am hyper aware of his body movements, especially hips, wrists, ankles. He struggles against restraints, but in a seductive way (no lame thrashing, unless it's just the right time, and timing is everything), he uses very understated tugs here and there, he rotates a hip, he curls a toe, he makes a fist, he outstretches a finger to try to touch my hand

* He breathes - just right
Breathing on its own is a damn fetish of mine. I will put it right out there. So he may just hold it for a second, or let it out at the right time, or change tempo, or manipulate it to give a clue to his real or manufactured level of fear, and I am caught in HIS web for a moment. His breathing when we are kissing or when I'm allowing him to speak is critical.

* Whimpering done right
I absolutely detest whiny crybabies but can be put near orgasm with whimpering - but I'm as easy to read as an open book and I give immediate feedback to a man when I have him beg for something. But I don't like to have to retrain him over and over again regarding how I want him to make soft, subtle sounds to indicate his suffering. Most important, it should not be overused. In fact, NOTHING should be overused....which brings the last and most important point....

* EMPATHY and INTUITION
Above all, knowing how to READ me. How much and when do to all of the above. I have known men that "get it" on a micro level, but then on a macro level, have no clue on how much, or when, or even why. Their timing is bad, their execution is awkward, or they overdo it (whimper constantly to the point that it's annoying after the first 5 minutes, struggle too much, etc). It's just like being a good lover in bed. So this is where it becomes art, really. A submissive and bottom has a HUGE task here - they have to be able to do ALL of these things above while dealing with pain, suffering, their own arousal, and reading me and my body language. That is NOT an easy task. That's why I do say "submitting to me is NOT easy."

What are some things that other dominant women find make a great submissive/bottom?
What are some things that subs/bottoms have found make them very attractive to partners, or have helped them be effective in pleasing their partners?

As always, YMMV!

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RE: What makes you a great partner? - 7/21/2013 11:19:58 AM   
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What makes Carol a "great partner" is that she actually cares about both me and "us" more than herself. From that starting point everything you listed (along with damned near anything else) all flows naturally.

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RE: What makes you a great partner? - 7/21/2013 11:23:10 AM   
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You've hit most of the ones that are important to me in play.

I'll add one to the list of what I'm looking for in a play session: vulnerability.

It isn't enough for me that he's getting off on, and reacting to, what I'm doing to him, he needs to show a deep level of vulnerability while reacting.
His reactions need to be open, honest, passionately, and out of control, in a way that indicate that I am eliciting these reactions from him, in a way he can't control.

He's not just moving and reacting because the stuff that's done feels good, he's moving and reacting because what I'm doing to him gives him no choice but to react like that, and he's not trying to hold back in any way.

Outside of play, I'm looking for an almost obsessive attention to the details of what I want. I want him to not only focus on what I want, but also how I want it, and why I want it.
Mechanical obedience leaves me cold. What I'm looking for is a level of mental preoccupation with the desire to be be found pleasing in every way.

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RE: What makes you a great partner? - 7/21/2013 11:42:59 AM   
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From a bottoming point of view, I think he would say that I just love to be tied up and that it makes me hypersexual. Whereas I might not be at all interested in sex at any moment, that changes the moment he starts with the rope.

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RE: What makes you a great partner? - 7/21/2013 2:07:32 PM   
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RE: What makes you a great partner? - 7/21/2013 3:09:11 PM   
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I'm me.

I don't bring anything special to the plate. He either likes me for who I am or he doesn't.

It was simple for me. I found a man who had a personality I enjoyed and vice versa which made us attracted to each other.

This has nada to do with bdsm and just a normal, human thing.


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RE: What makes you a great partner? - 7/21/2013 9:07:27 PM   
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Hrmm ...

... Maybe it applies to 'vanilla' and casual relationships too, something that I heard from a previous partner: The sincerity of attention focussed when I'm interested or partnered. At the time (maybe 15 years ago), she said it was like stepping into a spotlight, that she was instantly and always aware of how important she was to Me. (Okay, and she also said that I really sucked at 'faking' attention, but that was after we'd been together a few years, I hope I've gotten better at that.)

... In sort of an adjusted view of that, over the years, and at the risk of phrasing it in poorly defined words, being a good partner (or partners) has a lot to do with how much a two-some or more-some of people are 'into' each other, how well they complement each other mentally, emotionally, physically, etc, across the span of whatever instinctive or deliberate interactions.

... YMMV, of course, but that's what I'm thinking about it at the moment ...

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RE: What makes you a great partner? - 7/21/2013 11:30:31 PM   
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What makes me great.

Jeeze. If I had an answer to this one... Which is not to suggest it isn't a very good question. And well put. But to twist it around a bit and rephrase, What is my take on my strongest 'selling point'?

Stepping back for a running start, it isn't 'service'. I'm not one of those home appliance type guys, thrilled at the opportunity to do your laundry. Mow your lawn. Clean your basement. Or roof your house. This is not to say I won't, don't or haven't fairly recently done each of these for someone, just that the thrill factor is nil. Chores ain't why I'm here. Nor am I here to play dress up. My interest in your underwear is mostly about how it looks on you, backed up with a subtle not quite actually current plan to get more and better undies for you if things go well. OK. OK. They are for me, but you will be wearing them. Your sock drawer is safe, I assure you. Another thing I don't do well is 'anything, just anything...' And of course, I don't write checks. Those who believe these are the things men are good for have my leave to be deeply disappointing.

In contrast, there is the example of the OP. Akasha displays a turn of mind I find particularly interesting. She finds a good deal of satisfaction in creating and exploiting helplessness in her bottom. Exploring pain. Exploring fear. Exploring lust. Probably shouldn't use the word archetype. But knowing one such would be terrifying and equally rewarding. And what would I bring to the equation? Sad to say, little . A deep voice, a flat tummy, a mind, manners and interest. I gather these things jump at people on freeway offramps with windex and rags.

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RE: What makes you a great partner? - 7/22/2013 12:06:59 AM   
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I probably chose a bad title thread because the entire conversation did end up turning into more about relationship dynamics instead of "bottoming" qualities. I was trying to get more back into kink...I feel like a lot of the times here on CM people (well, subs) are afraid to talk about what is hot and slutty and sexy about being a bottom for fear of being labeled a do-me, or thinking with their dick.

I like S&M. I like bondage, and strap ons, and lust, and I'm a sadist. I actually need partners that are GOOD "in bondage" just like a woman needs partners who are "good in bed," and this thread was about "how can you be good (in bondage" just like Cosmo writes lame articles about "how can you be good (in bed)!". Because some men think being good (in bondage) or being good (in submission) just means -- well, you submit! And it's not that. Nope. Not at all. That's only the start, really!

In fact, the worst kind of bottom is the one that "just submits." The one that says, "I'm a great sub because I obey!" Ugh. BoRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRing! There's nothing dynamic in being absolutely predictable. And at the other end of the spectrum is the opposite kind of horrible, "I'm a great sub because I am bratty and a HUGE CHALLENGE!" Oh god, NIGHTMARE!

What a great bottom is..well, that's the topic of this thread. It depends on the dominant and what she enjoys. So the best quality in a man? His ability to be perceptive and sensual. Guess what? Same qualities that it takes to be a great lover. But some sub men think that being submissive means getting a bit of a free pass in that they can be a bit passive in the sensual department - because, after all, they are probably rendered helpless, right? Or having things "done" to them. It's not as if they are really able to "do" anything -- right?

Nothing could be further from the truth. In reality they have to be totally helpless AND rock the world of their dominant partner - who is a sadist, a sensualist, and needs all of her buttons pushed....it's a tough job. This is why I worship and adore any man who can make me melt with his vulnerability and never, ever, ever let him go.

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RE: What makes you a great partner? - 7/22/2013 12:39:53 AM   
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quote:

I feel like a lot of the times here on CM people (well, subs) are afraid to talk about what is hot and slutty and sexy about being a bottom for fear of being labeled a do-me, or thinking with their dick.


Yes, quite. This point has been made repeatedly by those who want their chores done, bills paid, nails painted and so on and who never, ever, ever think of sex. At least, not with THAT guy. The rest of us have these three gals to thank for all the SILENCE right where Akasha is pointing.

And just what is the point of these boards??????

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RE: What makes you a great partner? - 7/22/2013 8:26:15 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: JeffBC

What makes Carol a "great partner" is that she actually cares about both me and "us" more than herself. From that starting point everything you listed (along with damned near anything else) all flows naturally.



Just a bad ass post on so many levels. It's my fav.

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RE: What makes you a great partner? - 7/22/2013 8:49:21 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: FrostedFlake

quote:

I feel like a lot of the times here on CM people (well, subs) are afraid to talk about what is hot and slutty and sexy about being a bottom for fear of being labeled a do-me, or thinking with their dick.


Yes, quite. This point has been made repeatedly by those who want their chores done, bills paid, nails painted and so on and who never, ever, ever think of sex. At least, not with THAT guy. The rest of us have these three gals to thank for all the SILENCE right where Akasha is pointing.

And just what is the point of these boards??????


Great two posts. Thought these boards were about talking kink on one and finding kink on the other. Didn't realize chicks were here to be respected always and only hit on when they find it convenient. Thought it was a total thing. A hook up board and a chat board where folks could meet and hook up. Based on my views from the intro section, folks are supposed to only hook up on the other board. This is just for chat. But guys can't talk about any fantisies first. They must engage the forum with non sexual foreplay first. Or they are pervy bastards. Chicks can however advertise their Pro services right in their first intro without any recourse.

This system works great for me tho. I don't even want any invitations. So by ignoring the profile and the hook up side my wife can rest assured No guy will score me. But apparently a pro Domme or ten will get thru and offer me her services. That's cool cuz she knows I won't pay for something done better at home.

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RE: What makes you a great partner? - 7/22/2013 9:38:17 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: littlewonder

I'm me.

I don't bring anything special to the plate. He either likes me for who I am or he doesn't.

It was simple for me. I found a man who had a personality I enjoyed and vice versa which made us attracted to each other.

This has nada to do with bdsm and just a normal, human thing.



Word!

It always amazes me that some ppl think somehow by adding BDSM to your resume changes how a relationship works. The ONLY difference is in the "playtime".

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RE: What makes you a great partner? - 7/22/2013 10:18:02 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SailingBum


quote:

ORIGINAL: littlewonder

I'm me.

I don't bring anything special to the plate. He either likes me for who I am or he doesn't.

It was simple for me. I found a man who had a personality I enjoyed and vice versa which made us attracted to each other.

This has nada to do with bdsm and just a normal, human thing.



Word!

It always amazes me that some ppl think somehow by adding BDSM to your resume changes how a relationship works. The ONLY difference is in the "playtime".

BadOne





This thread is about - for lack of a better word - sexual (or sensual) prowess. In other words, no matter how compatible you are, if you are shitty in bed (or in the dungeon) together, your relationship STILL may be doomed. How can you be a good BDSM partner? How can you connect on a sensual/sexual and power exchange level? How can you be a good bottom?

Did you read the posts in the thread? It's not about relationship dynamics, it's about bottoming dynamics.

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RE: What makes you a great partner? - 7/22/2013 2:29:04 PM   
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Actually no I didn't read all the post but I did read your first post. And I don't agree with your basic premise.

My selection process does NOT include "Whimpering Done Right" We are on completely different sides of this as I don't do random play. Never have and prolly never will. So at the risk of be rude I'll say it again. I'm not so shallow as to base a relationship with someone who doesn't quite "moan properly", or bite there "lower lip in a seductive way".

I really had to laff at, paraphrasing here, If your shitty in bed the dynamic may fail. Assuming that everything else was good although we were "shitty in bed". <it does take 2 to tango so if the bed action is shitty it's half your fault> to my mind we'd have a very strong relationship!

I really don't get ppl like you that base a relationship on what I refer to as "externals" rather than the internals. Like a kind, good hearted person that can make me smile.

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RE: What makes you a great partner? - 7/22/2013 2:49:58 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SailingBum

I really don't get ppl like you that base a relationship on what I refer to as "externals" rather than the internals. Like a kind, good hearted person that can make me smile.



I also love the relationships I have with kind, good-hearted, people, who make me smile.

But, if that's all they do, it's not a romantic relationship. We're nothing more or less than friends. That's not likely to change if they don't make me a bit nervous, possessive, scared, fulfilled, and aroused (among others I've omitted). And physical attraction/ connection/ compatibility is something very necessary for all those things I've mentioned.


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RE: What makes you a great partner? - 7/22/2013 2:54:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AAkasha
I probably chose a bad title thread because the entire conversation did end up turning into more about relationship dynamics instead of "bottoming" qualities.

Actually, I think I knew better before I hit the enter key. I should have simply passed on this thread as inapplicable to me. Sure, for ME I can't distinguish relationship from sex but I get it that other people do. My bad.

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RE: What makes you a great partner? - 7/22/2013 3:54:57 PM   
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quote:

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Actually no I didn't read all the post but I did read your first post. And I don't agree with your basic premise.

My selection process does NOT include "Whimpering Done Right" We are on completely different sides of this as I don't do random play. Never have and prolly never will. So at the risk of be rude I'll say it again. I'm not so shallow as to base a relationship with someone who doesn't quite "moan properly", or bite there "lower lip in a seductive way".

I really had to laff at, paraphrasing here, If your shitty in bed the dynamic may fail. Assuming that everything else was good although we were "shitty in bed". <it does take 2 to tango so if the bed action is shitty it's half your fault> to my mind we'd have a very strong relationship!

I really don't get ppl like you that base a relationship on what I refer to as "externals" rather than the internals. Like a kind, good hearted person that can make me smile.

BadOne



I see what you're doing there. Nope. I won't bite there.

Having a good, mutually rewarding sex life (or sensual life, because for some, BDSM isn't penis-in-vagina) is very important to a healthy relationship overall and no one can say it is not. If someone is not experienced, or maybe they have never been "taught," or maybe they (gulp) 'learned from porn' then open discussions from places like this are where some education might happen. Hence, this forum and this post/thread. The discussion is -- what have people found makes a good/better BDSM "lover" for lack of a better way to phrase it. For the inexperienced, this could be helpful.

For many people, they may be painfully unaware that they could improve their skills. As I mentioned, some submissive (or bottoms, if that's your fancy) think being passive or waiting for blatant demands/commands is the entire process. My point is that this is not true. If anything, they kind of have to be empaths, or highly perceptive. They have to be sort of the most in-tuned kind of lover or sensualist. Because they are often very skilled lovers/sensualists while being totally incapacitated.

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RE: What makes you a great partner? - 7/22/2013 4:15:22 PM   
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For many people, they may be painfully unaware that they could improve their skills. As I mentioned, some submissive (or bottoms, if that's your fancy) think being passive or waiting for blatant demands/commands is the entire process. My point is that this is not true. If anything, they kind of have to be empaths, or highly perceptive. They have to be sort of the most in-tuned kind of lover or sensualist. Because they are often very skilled lovers/sensualists while being totally incapacitated.

Akasha



To AGAIN to restate the obvious. It takes 2 to play. So more than likely if the player is is not enjoing the action the playee is thinking my god this person is really lousy at "whatever".

So of course what does a good top do.... Blame the sub. Defer responsibility. That always seems to be the proper course of action. Instead of talking it through like most adults do.

Oh I get it you have this one true way as to how a sub should act. Let me know how that works for you?

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RE: What makes you a great partner? - 7/22/2013 4:19:12 PM   
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Well in the years I've been online anyway it was about the sex, then about the kinky sexual pleasures say, as described by the OP, then it wasn't about the sex, then it was about the sex...then not about the sex as I must just be a player.....

I am a great partner because I am...a great partner.

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