MasterCaneman
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Are you okay with some lazy bastard hurting you or taking your (expensive) things because they can't be asked to work for it?
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hmmm.. for some reason the thought going thru my mind is parking a new vehicle that you love at a shopping center and some dumb-as-a-brick yahoo letting their shopping cart go and.. BANG!!!.. right into the side of your beautiful new vehicle's beautiful new paint job.. should I be able to (legally) shoot them???  I guess that's why I likely will never, ever buy a new (expensive) vehicle ever, ever, ever again.. I have come to the conclusion that (expensive) stuff isn't worth having if you feel you need a bodyguard for them.. 
While annoying, it's still a little extreme just for some touch-up work. I posted a reply to the other thread, and I stand by what I said about that.
but that or similar "extreme" actions do happen.. like the guy that shot a seafood salesman that was getting in his vehicle after knocking on the guys door.. shot dead for no reason.. he was just trying to earn a living and for that he's dead.. it seems that those gun-toting nutbars are the ones that make the news and imo most actually are nutbars with mental problems or on prescribed drugs (like Zimmy was) to "fix" certain disorders.. these people usually had guns they bought, filled out yer precious Form 4473 and were approved to buy.. I guess ya could call that "licensed to kill", huh??? 
as far as nukes go.. why do you think the US (who has used a nuke in war before) doesn't want Iran or various other countries to have them? cuz a country with a nuke is actually not a defense against another country with a nuke.. so imo you are wrong about the "only solution to a man with a gun is another man with a gun standing against him".. the best answer (imo) is no one having guns..
I guess my beliefs are why I would never make a "good American".. 
80 million lawful firearms owners in the US didn't kill anyone today. Yes, there will be aberrations occurring, statistics demand them to happen. I notice you omitted the roughly one thousand or so criminals who got shot today. Some died, some lived. The same thing happened all over the planet, and if I recall the figures, about twenty thousand people were shot to death here on Planet Earth in the last twenty-four hours. You forgot about that, too.
The reason we keep nuclear weapons out the hands of unstable regimes is because we did employ them in warfare, and learned what hell-machines they are. But like guns, they can't be uninvented, so we have to do what we can to control and contain the nations that do have them. Some, like Britain, France, and Russia, have governments that can maintain control of their stockpiles even in extreme duress. Others, like North Korea, Pakistan, and (eventually) Iran, have less that stable governments and need to be kept in check.
And "no one having guns" is an extremely naive position to take. How, pray tell, are you going to remove them? Refer back to the 80 million gun owners I mentioned above. To be sure, not all of them are ready, willing, and able to actively resist the roughly two million military and police currently serving in the US. But even if just ten percent did, you'd be facing a host larger than the PRC. And don't bother with the standard "But they won't stand against tanks, drones, and attack choppers." They won't have to. All they'd have to do is inflict the death of a thousand pinpricks on the representative armed forces and police.
What people don't understand about the modern military is, they still specialize in delivering pinpoint strikes, not mass assaults. A missile that can go up a gnat's ass at a hundred miles is worthless against a single man with a scoped deer rifle. That's how it'd be done. A shot here, a hidden explosive there. Uncle Sugar still is learning how to deal with asymmetrical warfare, which is ironic because we more or less invented it. The solution you propose to end the violence will instead create more and in more profound and horrifying ways.
And on the contrary, you'd make a good American. You question, you challenge. Granted, I disagree with your position, but I'll defend to the death your right to do that. Perhaps some day you'll understand what that really means.
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