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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/12/2013 4:41:45 PM   
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with selective reading comprehension, Im sure it must sem like that however, the full sentence was
They later drove past Scott’s house in an SUV. But when Scott walked out of his house with a handgun to confront the “women thugs,” as he described them, he instead fired straight into the 1992 Honda of Darrell Niles, who was unarmed. Niles was killed instantly.
I dont see anything you described, but to each his own

Different newspapers obviously, yours with an anti self defense axe to grind.

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/12/2013 4:47:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		he instead fired straight into the 1992 Honda of Darrell Niles, who was unarmed. Niles was killed instantly.


You would expect the bullet to take a round about route?

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/12/2013 4:59:54 PM   
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My orginal link stated
They later drove past Scott’s house in an SUV. But when Scott walked out of his house with a handgun to confront the “women thugs,” as he described them, he instead fired straight into the 1992 Honda of Darrell Niles, who was unarmed. Niles was killed instantly.

My second link stated
Smith then saw Niles’ 1992 Honda, and, believing its occupants posed a danger, fired his gun from his front yard across the street, hitting Niles in the head with a .380 bullet, killing him instantly. No evidence indicated Niles was a threat to Scott or his daughter.

Read more here: http://www.thestate.com/2013/10/09/3029466/exclusive-father-not-charged-in.html#storylink=cpy


Smith then saw Niles’ 1992 Honda, and, believing its occupants posed a danger, fired his gun from his front yard across the street, hitting Niles in the head with a .380 bullet, killing him instantly. No evidence indicated Niles was a threat to Scott or his daughter.

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/article/20131011/NEWS10/310110005/Immunity-granted-to-S-C-man-who-killed-unarmed-teen-in-stand-your-ground-case

I provided links, Im not the one using "selective reading comprehension"

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/12/2013 5:02:33 PM   
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he instead fired straight into the 1992 Honda of Darrell Niles, who was unarmed. Niles was killed instantly.


You would expect the bullet to take a round about route?

Makes clear it was not a ricochet which is useful information.

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/12/2013 5:18:50 PM   
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he instead fired straight into the 1992 Honda of Darrell Niles, who was unarmed. Niles was killed instantly.


Niles should have had a machine gun mounted on his car with a bloke ready to fire it at anyone who appeared on the sidewalk with a gun. All cars in the USA should be like that by law and they would be were it not for fucking liberals and their political correctness.

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/12/2013 5:25:16 PM   
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he instead fired straight into the 1992 Honda of Darrell Niles, who was unarmed. Niles was killed instantly.


You would expect the bullet to take a round about route?

Makes clear it was not a ricochet which is useful information.

And, tragic as it was, does not prove he was the intended target.
Note that Niles mother was concerned, not that Scoot got away with something but that it would look like her son was one of the attackers.

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/12/2013 5:28:43 PM   
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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/12/2013 5:29:05 PM   
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he instead fired straight into the 1992 Honda of Darrell Niles, who was unarmed. Niles was killed instantly.


You would expect the bullet to take a round about route?

Makes clear it was not a ricochet which is useful information.

And, tragic as it was, does not prove he was the intended target.
Note that Niles mother was concerned, not that Scoot got away with something but that it would look like her son was one of the attackers.

The shooter's own statement makes that clear.

from Lucy's post:
Smith then saw Niles’ 1992 Honda, and, believing its occupants posed a danger, fired his gun from his front yard across the street, hitting Niles in the head with a .380 bullet, killing him instantly. No evidence indicated Niles was a threat to Scott or his daughter.

Read more here: http://www.thestate.com/2013/10/09/3029466/exclusive-father-not-charged-in.html#storylink=cpy



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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/12/2013 5:38:13 PM   
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Perhaps Scott’s daughter and Scott himself reasonably believed that a car full of teen girl bullies were a threat to their lives. Even so, since when is it acceptable for a parent to point their loaded gun at child bullies? The fact that Scott, an adult, felt immediately inclined to resolve a dispute between children by shooting at them is criminal.


I'm not going to justify the shooting of Niles. Personally I'm a bit surprised Scott isn't up for a manslaughter charge. I agree with SYG laws, but I also think you should hit what you aim at and be damn sure that you're shooting at the right target. Unlike what some people think, (I believe it was DarkSteven who advanced this idea) it's impossible to always hit what you're aiming at. The Army only requires you to hit 57% of the time (23 out of 40) with an M16 to qualify. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't be held responsible for where your rounds go.

What I take offense to is the idea that an adult should refrain from confronting armed persons who are assaulting their family. These "girls" bullied Scott's daughter earlier in the day. They then fired rounds into his home, endangering everyone inside. Scott then went outside to defend his family. He made a mistake, but that doesn't mean he was wrong in his attempt to defend his home and family. If a "child" is old enough to acquire a gun and participate in a drive-by, they're old enough to take the consequences. If someone is shooting at me, I'm not going to take the time to figure out their age before returning fire. There's an old adage about Samuel Colt being the great equalizer. Well that goes even more so for modern weapons. If you're able to pull the trigger and absorb the recoil, then you're a danger regardless of your age.

A child with a weapon is dangerous. Depending on the weapon, maybe not as dangerous as an adult, but still. I went shooting with a friend and his sons. (12 & 13) Both kids were decent shots, and the 12yo was actually considerably better then his father. At one point he was trying a .357 magnum, and put 3 rounds in the 9 ring at 15'. None of the shots were outside the 8.

When I was in my 20s, my mother used to baby-sit in her home. One day I stopped one of the girls from carving her name in our furniture. I took a screwdriver away from her and let my mother know. Later the girl (who was 8-9), hid behind a counter in our kitchen and tried to stab me in the back with a steak knife. I wound up spraining her wrist and bunking her head into the fridge when I disarmed her. The parents threatened me with a lawsuit and the police. The only thing that saved me was she tried to stab her Grandmother a few days later when she didn't want to go to bed on time.

So I fail to see how someone who's under 18 can be automatically dismissed as a threat by so many people.

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/12/2013 5:41:35 PM   
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They then fired rounds into his home, endangering everyone inside.


That is not substantiated. Not in the least. Fire rounds into the home? Where are they?


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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/12/2013 5:51:24 PM   
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They then fired rounds into his home, endangering everyone inside.


That is not substantiated. Not in the least. Fire rounds into the home? Where are they?



Didn't one of the earlier posts state that rounds were fired at the house? Pardon me, it's "conflicted" as to whether or not rounds were fired. Scott just had a premonition that he should rush out to his front yard armed.

Regardless, my first paragraph stated that I didn't agree with the judgement in this particular incident. Was that somehow unclear?

What I was stating is that I hate when people get so worked up because a "child" is shot. It doesn't matter what the child in question is doing at the time. He could be armed with a gun or knife and in the middle of a drive-by or mugging, but how dare an adult confront this poor child. I was pointing out that a child who's armed can indeed be a danger.

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/12/2013 5:52:26 PM   
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with selective reading comprehension, Im sure it must sem like that however, the full sentence was
They later drove past Scott’s house in an SUV. But when Scott walked out of his house with a handgun to confront the “women thugs,” as he described them, he instead fired straight into the 1992 Honda of Darrell Niles, who was unarmed. Niles was killed instantly.
I dont see anything you described, but to each his own


that becaue you only read/posted think progress's version of it, in that article are links to LOCAL reports, that aren't quite as BIASED

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/12/2013 6:11:22 PM   
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Took revised post by Lucy and edited this topic with it to keep continuity. No promises I can always do this.

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/12/2013 6:12:21 PM   
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victims fault eh..... tragic accident, eh.... that will help his mother

Never said it would, neither would crucifying an innocent man.

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/12/2013 6:13:07 PM   
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with selective reading comprehension, Im sure it must sem like that however, the full sentence was
They later drove past Scott’s house in an SUV. But when Scott walked out of his house with a handgun to confront the “women thugs,” as he described them, he instead fired straight into the 1992 Honda of Darrell Niles, who was unarmed. Niles was killed instantly.
I dont see anything you described, but to each his own


that becaue you only read/posted think progress's version of it, in that article are links to LOCAL reports, that aren't quite as BIASED


My orginal link stated
They later drove past Scott’s house in an SUV. But when Scott walked out of his house with a handgun to confront the “women thugs,” as he described them, he instead fired straight into the 1992 Honda of Darrell Niles, who was unarmed. Niles was killed instantly.

My second link stated
Smith then saw Niles’ 1992 Honda, and, believing its occupants posed a danger, fired his gun from his front yard across the street, hitting Niles in the head with a .380 bullet, killing him instantly. No evidence indicated Niles was a threat to Scott or his daughter.

Read more here: http://www.thestate.com/2013/10/09/3029466/exclusive-father-not-charged-in.html#storylink=cpy


Smith then saw Niles’ 1992 Honda, and, believing its occupants posed a danger, fired his gun from his front yard across the street, hitting Niles in the head with a .380 bullet, killing him instantly. No evidence indicated Niles was a threat to Scott or his daughter.

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/article/20131011/NEWS10/310110005/Immunity-granted-to-S-C-man-who-killed-unarmed-teen-in-stand-your-ground-case

I provided links, Im not the one using "selective reading comprehension"
I always read more than one account



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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/12/2013 6:15:41 PM   
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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/12/2013 6:16:04 PM   
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This is a three year old case.
Does anyone truly believe this hasn't been investigated to death?
Does anyone truly believe that the isn't a lot more to this than a three paragraph story printed because they don't approve of self defense and in particular SYG?

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/12/2013 6:16:24 PM   
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victims fault eh..... tragic accident, eh.... that will help his mother

Never said it would, neither would crucifying an innocent man.

innocent????
How is Scott innocent
he killed an innocent man, oopth


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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/12/2013 6:17:21 PM   
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ok so here the link, which is in the article you posted from think progress

http://www.heraldonline.com/2013/10/09/5291031/stand-your-ground-sc-judge-grants.html

that is from the LOCAL news, which gives a far less biased view of the events

TIMELINE FOR APRIL 18, 2010 shooting:


A 15-year-old girl and five friends leave a nightclub just after midnight

They are pursued by four young women in an SUV.

They arrive home and tell her father, Shannon Scott, they’re in danger.

Shots are fired from the street. The friends run inside.

Armed with a gun, Shannon Scott goes to the front yard.

Scott fires several times.

Bystander Darrell Niles, 17, in a separate car, is killed.

that is from the LOCAL news, which give a far less biased view of the events

that is from the LOCAL news, which give a far less biased view of the events
you didn't see it because you chose to only read and/or post the think progress version

honestly I had a hard time finding ANY article that gave any real details of the case that were not biased

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/12/2013 6:19:16 PM   
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Did I miss something when I swapped things over?

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Nope just re asserting my point regarding adding local news information, because BY said I only read one perspective...
I didnt put it in quotes, my bad, Ima edit it now


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