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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/23/2013 3:28:28 AM   
Politesub53


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To no one in particular.

As to sources, I have quoted statements from the authorities in the local new media, both print and TV stations. I dont see how you can get better than that for now. I

That isnt biased, it isnt anti-gun and it isnt inflammatory rhetoric, therefore I take it at face value. I will be very surprised if this doesnt get turned over on appeal.

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/23/2013 5:15:31 AM   
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As to sources, I have quoted statements from the authorities in the local new media, both print and TV stations. I dont see how you can get better than that for now.

THe links are there, the quotes from the guy rutherford, to sampson, to the local media calling it SCs own SYG law, (also known as) PPP or castle doctrine, there was plenty of information, yet the neglect to find any relative links to back up claims , the whole farce has been one excuse after the other.
justice does not seem to be done for the victim.will it ever.... I doubt it in SC.

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/23/2013 11:23:48 AM   
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we don't know also if he's being prosecuted for all the other charges but not murder...

True but don't you think that at least the site that said he had served 7 years would have mentioned it?

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/23/2013 11:26:52 AM   
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As to sources, I have quoted statements from the authorities in the local new media, both print and TV stations. I dont see how you can get better than that for now.

THe links are there, the quotes from the guy rutherford, to sampson, to the local media calling it SCs own SYG law, (also known as) PPP or castle doctrine, there was plenty of information, yet the neglect to find any relative links to back up claims , the whole farce has been one excuse after the other.
justice does not seem to be done for the victim.will it ever.... I doubt it in SC.

SYG and castle doctrine are not the same thing, castle doctrine removes the responsibility to retreat on your own property. SYG removes that responsibility when off your property, they are related but not the same.

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/23/2013 2:43:28 PM   
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A definition of 'justice' that ignores the processes and outcomes of the justice system, and substitutes inflammatory rhetoric and speculation, is hard to distinguish from vengeance.



Thats odd, because I didnt see the DA do any of that when he sent the case for appeal.



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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/23/2013 3:08:51 PM   
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It this country the person committing the crime is responsible


not sure what to add to that quote

the girls......attempted murder possibly

Scott....... actual murder



the girls......attempted murder possibly

Scott....... actual murder


hmm NOOO, scott actual accidental death

MURDER means he intended to kill someone, at BEST you'd have involentary manslaughter which is when an act of negligence or recklessness causes injury or death.

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/23/2013 3:42:03 PM   
Politesub53


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You aren't the DA, except in your dreams.

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A definition of 'justice' that ignores the processes and outcomes of the justice system, and substitutes inflammatory rhetoric and speculation, is hard to distinguish from vengeance.



Thats odd, because I didnt see the DA do any of that when he sent the case for appeal.





Yes, but likes me the DA feels justice hasnt been done, a point you obviously missed.
So post any inflammatory rhetoric I made, I will then give you think links i got it from.

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/23/2013 5:09:00 PM   
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It this country the person committing the crime is responsible


not sure what to add to that quote

the girls......attempted murder possibly

Scott....... actual murder



the girls......attempted murder possibly

Scott....... actual murder


hmm NOOO, scott actual accidental death

MURDER means he intended to kill someone, at BEST you'd have involentary manslaughter which is when an act of negligence or recklessness causes injury or death.



ok I see where you're coming from but if he just wanted to scare the girls/ Scott/ whoever he could have shot in the air.

But he didn't, he shot at a car with someone in it and he was probably very unlucky to kill Scott however he was still shooting at someone and that is not an accident, that is deliberate

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/24/2013 8:20:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BitYakin


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It this country the person committing the crime is responsible


not sure what to add to that quote

the girls......attempted murder possibly

Scott....... actual murder



the girls......attempted murder possibly

Scott....... actual murder


hmm NOOO, scott actual accidental death

MURDER means he intended to kill someone, at BEST you'd have involentary manslaughter which is when an act of negligence or recklessness causes injury or death.



And when did you pass the Bar exam?

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/24/2013 8:26:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		This maybe a little off topic but a new FBI report violent crime going back up. In 2012 it was a small increase but some are saying a larger increase will show for 2013. Of the 5 most dangerous states, South Carolina is #5. Seems all Stand Your Ground law is not working.

http://homes.yahoo.com/news/the-most-dangerous-states-in-america-180105347.html

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/24/2013 5:59:41 PM   
BamaD


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Status: offline 		ok I see where you're coming from but if he just wanted to scare the girls/ Scott/ whoever he could have shot in the air.


We have another thread where a woman protecting her daughter from a gang of ten teenagers was arrested for discharging into the air.

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/25/2013 4:35:21 PM   
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ok I see where you're coming from but if he just wanted to scare the girls/ Scott/ whoever he could have shot in the air.


We have another thread where a woman protecting her daughter from a gang of ten teenagers was arrested for discharging into the air.

yup and " she was held for only a short period and was released without bond" as far as I can tell from that thread which seems reasonable, what's your point?

She got the desired reaction without killing anyone


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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/25/2013 5:39:28 PM   
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ok I see where you're coming from but if he just wanted to scare the girls/ Scott/ whoever he could have shot in the air.


We have another thread where a woman protecting her daughter from a gang of ten teenagers was arrested for discharging into the air.

yup and " she was held for only a short period and was released without bond" as far as I can tell from that thread which seems reasonable, what's your point?

She got the desired reaction without killing anyone



And nobody was shooting at her.
You may have noticed that much of the anti gun mob is over there condemning her as a menace to society, endangering everyone in town.

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/25/2013 5:47:18 PM   
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ok I see where you're coming from but if he just wanted to scare the girls/ Scott/ whoever he could have shot in the air.


We have another thread where a woman protecting her daughter from a gang of ten teenagers was arrested for discharging into the air.

yup and " she was held for only a short period and was released without bond" as far as I can tell from that thread which seems reasonable, what's your point?

She got the desired reaction without killing anyone



They should have hunted down the 35 year old and her ten thugs and left the woman alone.

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/26/2013 12:40:59 AM   
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It this country the person committing the crime is responsible


not sure what to add to that quote

the girls......attempted murder possibly

Scott....... actual murder



the girls......attempted murder possibly

Scott....... actual murder


hmm NOOO, scott actual accidental death

MURDER means he intended to kill someone, at BEST you'd have involentary manslaughter which is when an act of negligence or recklessness causes injury or death.



Well, maybe. This depends on all those facts that still aren't really clear. If Scott shot at the SUV and missed, and then the bullet hit the driver of the Honda, then a case could be made for Involuntary Manslaughter. (If the judge hadn't ruled as he did of course.) But if he aimed and fired at the Honda, then it's Manslaughter or Murder.

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/26/2013 12:47:26 AM   
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And when did you pass the Bar exam?



So you're saying that if someone isn't a qualified expert on a subject, they shouldn't comment on it? It's going to get REAL quiet around here.

Legal definition of Murder
http://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=1303

Legal definition of Manslaughter
http://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=1209

Legal definition of Involuntary Manslaughter
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/involuntary+manslaughter

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