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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/12/2013 6:22:00 PM

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victims fault eh..... tragic accident, eh.... that will help his mother

Never said it would, neither would crucifying an innocent man.

innocent????
How is Scott innocent
he killed an innocent man, oopth

While returning fire you want to crucify someone go after the thugetts who started the shooting.
My God it was the middle of the night and you demand perfection from him but have not one word of criticism for the feral teenagers who are responsible for the whole incident.

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/12/2013 6:22:13 PM

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Whew. Okay. I did a little something that I don't think has been done before, but there were a lot of replies and wanted to preserve them in the discussion. End of my derail.

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/12/2013 6:23:04 PM

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/12/2013 6:31:19 PM

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victims fault eh..... tragic accident, eh.... that will help his mother

Never said it would, neither would crucifying an innocent man.

innocent????
How is Scott innocent
he killed an innocent man, oopth

While returning fire you want to crucify someone go after the thugetts who started the shooting.
My God it was the middle of the night and you demand perfection from him but have not one word of criticism for the feral teenagers who are responsible for the whole incident.

Im sorry, I thought all gun owners who used SYG were good shots, responsible gun owners who ar'nt accidents looking for a place to happen
Have I said anything about the girls, no, have I said anything about the age of the innocent victim?no, have I said, he should be crucified? no,
yet all your posts are forgiving every shooter using SYG with what ifs and rhetoric.
Please THAT Is what sickens me....dead people pile up and you posts always seem to favour the shooter as the victim

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/12/2013 6:32:44 PM

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Whew. Okay. I did a little something that I don't think has been done before, but there were a lot of replies and wanted to preserve them in the discussion. End of my derail.

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/12/2013 7:02:33 PM

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victims fault eh..... tragic accident, eh.... that will help his mother

Never said it would, neither would crucifying an innocent man.

innocent????
How is Scott innocent
he killed an innocent man, oopth

While returning fire you want to crucify someone go after the thugetts who started the shooting.
My God it was the middle of the night and you demand perfection from him but have not one word of criticism for the feral teenagers who are responsible for the whole incident.

Im sorry, I thought all gun owners who used SYG were good shots, responsible gun owners who ar'nt accidents looking for a place to happen
Have I said anything about the girls, no, have I said anything about the age of the innocent victim?no, have I said, he should be crucified? no,
yet all your posts are forgiving every shooter using SYG with what ifs and rhetoric.
Please THAT Is what sickens me....dead people pile up and you posts always seem to favour the shooter as the victim

So you don't even comprehend who is at fault here.
The girls who started the shooting are the criminals they should be charged with murder.
A person died as a result of their crime.
In many states including mine that makes them guilty of first degree murder.
This is what sickens me.
The fault is clearly with the thugs who started the shooting and your anti self defense obsession will not let you see it.
You even admit that you have nothing to say about the thugs.

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/12/2013 7:08:27 PM

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

victims fault eh..... tragic accident, eh.... that will help his mother

Never said it would, neither would crucifying an innocent man.

innocent????
How is Scott innocent
he killed an innocent man, oopth

While returning fire you want to crucify someone go after the thugetts who started the shooting.
My God it was the middle of the night and you demand perfection from him but have not one word of criticism for the feral teenagers who are responsible for the whole incident.

Im sorry, I thought all gun owners who used SYG were good shots, responsible gun owners who ar'nt accidents looking for a place to happen

There are good shots and then there's demanding perfection. I'm a pretty good shot. I was in the Army (Infantry) and qualified expert almost every time with an M16. I've had my license to carry for 7 years now, practice at a range every few weeks, and generally fire 100-300 rounds each time. Even so, firing at a moving target, in the dark, when someone is (depending on which witnesses you believe) shooting at you, isn't an easy shot. I've done night firing, it's almost impossible to see your sights (even with night sights it's still tough), so you're mostly firing on instinct. But regardless of all that, no self-defense law I've ever seen requires you to be an expert marksman. They don't even say you have to be a good shot. They just give private citizens the right to protect themselves (or others) from imminent bodily harm.

I don't agree 100% with the judge's ruling, but I definitely don't agree with the peanut gallery here that brands every shooting (self-defense or otherwise) as some sort of criminal act.

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/12/2013 7:11:20 PM

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Im not disagreeing if they find the girls they should be charged to the fullest extent... no quarrel there
had he killed one of the bullies, I would agree with him not getting jailed and the SYG result, however he didnt.
Make of that what you want....
IM obsessed?
LMFAO,
yeah ok...maybe I just hate innocents dying , nah that couldnt be it could it.

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/12/2013 7:20:15 PM

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So you don't even comprehend who is at fault here.
The girls who started the shooting are the criminals they should be charged with murder.
A person died as a result of their crime.
In many states including mine that makes them guilty of first degree murder.
This is what sickens me.
The fault is clearly with the thugs who started the shooting and your anti self defense obsession will not let you see it.
You even admit that you have nothing to say about the thugs.

The crime has to be ongoing. The girls were not present according to the news reports.

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/12/2013 7:39:42 PM

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
So you don't even comprehend who is at fault here.
The girls who started the shooting are the criminals they should be charged with murder.
A person died as a result of their crime.
In many states including mine that makes them guilty of first degree murder.
This is what sickens me.
The fault is clearly with the thugs who started the shooting and your anti self defense obsession will not let you see it.
You even admit that you have nothing to say about the thugs.

The crime has to be ongoing. The girls were not present according to the news reports.

I think this is another version of who's facts you believe. Scot had witnesses that said he was being shot at before he fired. If he was being shot at, (I'm not saying he was, I wasn't there, but considering the verdict it seems the judge believed his witnesses.) then that implies the girls were still there doing the shooting.

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/12/2013 8:07:28 PM

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Im not disagreeing if they find the girls they should be charged to the fullest extent... no quarrel there
had he killed one of the bullies, I would agree with him not getting jailed and the SYG result, however he didnt.
Make of that what you want....
IM obsessed?
LMFAO,
yeah ok...maybe I just hate innocents dying , nah that couldnt be it could it.

I hate innocents dying to but I'm not going to fry a man for defending his family cause someone has to pay.

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/12/2013 8:09:05 PM

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So you don't even comprehend who is at fault here.
The girls who started the shooting are the criminals they should be charged with murder.
A person died as a result of their crime.
In many states including mine that makes them guilty of first degree murder.
This is what sickens me.
The fault is clearly with the thugs who started the shooting and your anti self defense obsession will not let you see it.
You even admit that you have nothing to say about the thugs.

The crime has to be ongoing. The girls were not present according to the news reports.

Depends on the news report.
It was three years ago, do you think that just maybe the cops know that too and looked into it?

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/12/2013 8:55:58 PM

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So you don't even comprehend who is at fault here.
The girls who started the shooting are the criminals they should be charged with murder.
A person died as a result of their crime.
In many states including mine that makes them guilty of first degree murder.
This is what sickens me.
The fault is clearly with the thugs who started the shooting and your anti self defense obsession will not let you see it.
You even admit that you have nothing to say about the thugs.

The crime has to be ongoing. The girls were not present according to the news reports.

Depends on the news report.
It was three years ago, do you think that just maybe the cops know that too and looked into it?

Yes, that's probably why the girls were not charged with felony murder and the prosecutor went after the killer.

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/12/2013 9:07:33 PM

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
So you don't even comprehend who is at fault here.
The girls who started the shooting are the criminals they should be charged with murder.
A person died as a result of their crime.
In many states including mine that makes them guilty of first degree murder.
This is what sickens me.
The fault is clearly with the thugs who started the shooting and your anti self defense obsession will not let you see it.
You even admit that you have nothing to say about the thugs.

The crime has to be ongoing. The girls were not present according to the news reports.

Depends on the news report.
It was three years ago, do you think that just maybe the cops know that too and looked into it?

Yes, that's probably why the girls were not charged with felony murder and the prosecutor went after the killer.

And yet Lucy said the girls haven't been caught

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/12/2013 9:12:27 PM

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No, i did not. Do not put words in my fucking mouth

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/12/2013 9:36:49 PM

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Yes, that's probably why the girls were not charged with felony murder and the prosecutor went after the killer.

Actually not even Lucy's article says the girls had left and others quote witnesses who say he was shooting back so you are assuming facts not in evidence.

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/12/2013 9:39:44 PM

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No, i did not. Do not put words in my fucking mouth

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I'm not disagreeing if they find the girls

Those are the words that came out of your mouth.

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/12/2013 9:53:42 PM

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So you don't even comprehend who is at fault here.
The girls who started the shooting are the criminals they should be charged with murder.
A person died as a result of their crime.
In many states including mine that makes them guilty of first degree murder.
This is what sickens me.
The fault is clearly with the thugs who started the shooting and your anti self defense obsession will not let you see it.
You even admit that you have nothing to say about the thugs.

The crime has to be ongoing. The girls were not present according to the news reports.

Depends on the news report.
It was three years ago, do you think that just maybe the cops know that too and looked into it?

Yes, that's probably why the girls were not charged with felony murder and the prosecutor went after the killer.

And yet Lucy said the girls haven't been caught

What i actually said....... does NOT SAY,or mean the girls have not been caught. Comprende?
I am not responsible for what you have failed to understand or comprehend. I did NOT STATE the girls have not been caught.
This is a fine example. Do not put words into my mouth......or assume the capacity to speak for me

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/12/2013 9:57:04 PM

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I've been looking, but so far I can't find anyone else who's been charged. If they're minors, we might never know.

An aside: Lucy, I love your first signature line. I've told this as a joke a few times, and it's amusing how many people don't get it. ;)

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/12/2013 9:57:27 PM

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
So you don't even comprehend who is at fault here.
The girls who started the shooting are the criminals they should be charged with murder.
A person died as a result of their crime.
In many states including mine that makes them guilty of first degree murder.
This is what sickens me.
The fault is clearly with the thugs who started the shooting and your anti self defense obsession will not let you see it.
You even admit that you have nothing to say about the thugs.

The crime has to be ongoing. The girls were not present according to the news reports.

Depends on the news report.
It was three years ago, do you think that just maybe the cops know that too and looked into it?

Yes, that's probably why the girls were not charged with felony murder and the prosecutor went after the killer.

And yet Lucy said the girls haven't been caught

What i actually said....... does NOT SAY,or mean the girls have not been caught. Comprende?
I am not responsible for what you have failed to understand or comprehend. I did NOT STATE the girls have not been caught.
This is a fine example. Do not put words into my mouth......or assume the capacity to speak for me

They haven't been found but that doesn't mean they haven't been caught, yep that makes perfect sense.

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