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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/21/2013 10:30:50 AM   
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I have said that in this case, the shooter should have questions to answer, all of which is on topic.



I kind of suspect that the police asked him one or two questions, don't you.
Just because you and I do not get to question him doesn't mean it didn't happen.


Lmfao........ yes I meant the police didnt question him...... No way did I mean more questions to answer in the general sense of the phrase.

We didnt see the guy get killed either, care to suggest that didnt happen as well ?

If you had actually read my post I was bringing it to your attention that even though we were not present I am sure the police asked a lot of questions.


Really, is that what you felt the need to do. Although I had already quoted from his statement to the police, you felt I may have missed the fact they had questioned him ? Do you think I felt the police just guessed his statement, without asking any damn questions..... Sheshhh


No you said there were questions he needed to be asked sheesh



NO i didnt, Its just another lie from you. I said he had questions to answer, a phrase you obviously dont understand.



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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/21/2013 4:16:26 PM   
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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/21/2013 4:26:04 PM   
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What in the world do you think I said?
Just that he has been asked lots of questions.
That was the second time you violated TOS by calling me a liar.


I never said what you claimed I said, so your comment regards No you said there were questions he needed to be asked sheesh

You need to reread your posts. I have already made things clear enough to you on three previous occassions. "Questions to answer" is a phrase used often enough to know it doesnt mean he needed to be asked questions by the police, which was your original reply. Look up nuances.

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/21/2013 5:23:02 PM   
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I have said that in this case, the shooter should have questions to answer, all of which is on topic.



I kind of suspect that the police asked him one or two questions, don't you.
Just because you and I do not get to question him doesn't mean it didn't happen.


Lmfao........ yes I meant the police didnt question him...... No way did I mean more questions to answer in the general sense of the phrase.

We didnt see the guy get killed either, care to suggest that didnt happen as well ?

If you had actually read my post I was bringing it to your attention that even though we were not present I am sure the police asked a lot of questions.


Really, is that what you felt the need to do. Although I had already quoted from his statement to the police, you felt I may have missed the fact they had questioned him ? Do you think I felt the police just guessed his statement, without asking any damn questions..... Sheshhh


No you said there were questions he needed to be asked sheesh



NO i didnt, Its just another lie from you. I said he had questions to answer, a phrase you obviously dont understand.




can we have a special section called " Bama vs Polite " where they just post ad infinitum about how one is a liar and the other is making shit up, then this thread might go somewhere.

Not having a go guys but get a fucking room and also has it occurred to either of you that nothing you shout or scream at each other makes a blind bit of difference to the real world

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/21/2013 7:02:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		can we have a special section called " Bama vs Polite " where they just post ad infinitum about how one is a liar and the other is making shit up, then this thread might go somewhere.

I have never called him a liar.
I have never accused him of making stuff up.


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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/21/2013 7:04:43 PM   
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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/21/2013 8:23:48 PM   
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We seem to be going around in circles.
Europeans seem to be appalled that the man who fired the fatal round isn't charged with something.
Americans seem to be appalled that the girls who started the shooting aren't charged with something, although being minors they may have been and the records sealed.
Actual news media seem to be ignoring this for whatever reasons so both groups are depending on smaller outlets and fringe sites.
The best source for what the basis for the ruling was in in the judges 12 page ruling but it hasn't been released.
If every claim I have read on here is accurate the entire state of South Carolina should be locked up.


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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/21/2013 11:00:46 PM   
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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/22/2013 3:47:10 AM   
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can we have a special section called " Bama vs Polite " where they just post ad infinitum about how one is a liar and the other is making shit up, then this thread might go somewhere.

Not having a go guys but get a fucking room and also has it occurred to either of you that nothing you shout or scream at each other makes a blind bit of difference to the real world



I get all that but have a few points to make. Firstly nothing any of us say makes a blind bit of difference to the real world.

Secondly, right through the thread I have had people telling me I am making stuff up, despite me giving the links to prove it. It is a common tactic to avoid facing the truth of the debate. Thirdly, if people incorrectly claim I did or didnt say something and my posts show otherwise, then I will continue to point it out.

I get it can be irksome though, so my apologies for that.

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/22/2013 3:49:17 AM   
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The one thing we all seem to agree on is that Niles didn't deserve to die and that someone needs to pay.


This isnt what we all agree on. I am not after vengance, just justice for everyone, something this stupid SYG law isnt allowing in this case.

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/22/2013 5:45:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		WASHINGTON — Attorney General Eric Holder said Monday the average number of mass shooting incidents has tripled in recent years.

Between 2000 and 2008, the U.S. experienced an average of five mass shootings every year. Since then the annual average has tripled, Holder said. So far in 2013, there have been at least 12, he said.
According to Justice Department figures on mass shootings, 404 people were shot and 207 people were killed from 2009 to 2012. From 2000 to 2008, 324 people were shot and 145 were killed.

In remarks to the annual conference of the International Association of Chiefs of Police, the attorney general said that in the past decade, the Justice Department has helped train 50,000 front-line officers, more than 7,000 on-scene commanders and over 3,000 local, state and federal agency heads on how to respond to active shooters.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/atty-gen-holder-says-intense-training-of-local-authorities-needed-to-deal-with-mass-shootings/2013/10/21/20b15de0-3a58-11e3-b0e7-716179a2c2c7_story.html


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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/22/2013 6:46:14 AM   
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The one thing we all seem to agree on is that Niles didn't deserve to die and that someone needs to pay.


This isnt what we all agree on. I am not after vengance, just justice for everyone, something this stupid SYG law isnt allowing in this case.



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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/22/2013 6:58:38 AM   
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We do not do special sections but I admit there has been several topics that border on hijack with the back and forth.

Bama and Polite, you may want to think about using the hide feature or restraining yourself. I have said numerous times now that if the back and forth creates a hijack it is a violation, and I really do not need any volunteers for moderation to prove my point.

P&R has been really good lately, and very few tickets or disruptions. Let us all do our part to keep it that way.

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can we have a special section called " Bama vs Polite " where they just post ad infinitum about how one is a liar and the other is making shit up, then this thread might go somewhere.

Not having a go guys but get a fucking room and also has it occurred to either of you that nothing you shout or scream at each other makes a blind bit of difference to the real world



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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/22/2013 10:43:00 AM   
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Please trim your quotes as well.

We do not do special sections but I admit there has been several topics that border on hijack with the back and forth.

Bama and Polite, you may want to think about using the hide feature or restraining yourself. I have said numerous times now that if the back and forth creates a hijack it is a violation, and I really do not need any volunteers for moderation to prove my point.

P&R has been really good lately, and very few tickets or disruptions. Let us all do our part to keep it that way.

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can we have a special section called " Bama vs Polite " where they just post ad infinitum about how one is a liar and the other is making shit up, then this thread might go somewhere.

Not having a go guys but get a fucking room and also has it occurred to either of you that nothing you shout or scream at each other makes a blind bit of difference to the real world



I activated the hide function yesterday as a result of pixies post

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/22/2013 4:08:38 PM   
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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/22/2013 4:18:56 PM   
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me or him? lol

Him of course.
lol

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/22/2013 4:20:06 PM   
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Please trim your quotes as well.

We do not do special sections but I admit there has been several topics that border on hijack with the back and forth.

Bama and Polite, you may want to think about using the hide feature or restraining yourself. I have said numerous times now that if the back and forth creates a hijack it is a violation, and I really do not need any volunteers for moderation to prove my point.

P&R has been really good lately, and very few tickets or disruptions. Let us all do our part to keep it that way.

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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

can we have a special section called " Bama vs Polite " where they just post ad infinitum about how one is a liar and the other is making shit up, then this thread might go somewhere.

Not having a go guys but get a fucking room and also has it occurred to either of you that nothing you shout or scream at each other makes a blind bit of difference to the real world



I activated the hide function yesterday as a result of pixies post


you shouldn't hide polite, the 2 of you might be able to have a decent discussion.

I think the main issue here is that someone walked out of their house and shot someone in the head and some people think it was someone else's fault.

It wasn't, it was his fault, he shot a person and killed them.

I know the girls have a part to play in this and should be held responsible for their part of the situation, but it wasn't a shoot out. There weren't guns blazing in every direction causing panic, he just walked out of his house and shot an innocent man and he should be held accountable for that

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/22/2013 4:26:51 PM   
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A definition of 'justice' that ignores the processes and outcomes of the justice system, and substitutes inflammatory rhetoric and speculation, is hard to distinguish from vengeance.



Thats odd, because I didnt see the DA do any of that when he sent the case for appeal.

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/22/2013 5:08:42 PM   
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I think the main issue here is that someone walked out of their house and shot someone in the head and some people think it was someone else's fault.

It wasn't, it was his fault, he shot a person and killed them.

I know the girls have a part to play in this and should be held responsible for their part of the situation, but it wasn't a shoot out. There weren't guns blazing in every direction causing panic, he just walked out of his house and shot an innocent man and he should be held accountable for that

Tried for over a year we just can't get along, not laying blame



And I think the main issue is that the guy fought back and some people want to make it his fault, this is the cultural divide I spoke of earlier.


He did not create the situation.


As I pointed out we have, on both sides, incomplete and cherry picked sources so we need to wait for the complete ruling not hand picked phrases to prove a point of view. I tend to dismiss any article which says it was stand your ground since it does not apply here in any way.Tried for over a year we just can't get along, not laying blame


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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/22/2013 5:31:46 PM   
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you shouldn't hide polite, the 2 of you might be able to have a decent discussion.

Tried for over a year we just can't get along, not laying blame

fair enough

he shot a person and killed them.

No he did not create the situation.




no, he did not create the situation, but until he shot and killed someone the situation did not have a dead, probably innocent, person in it.

I don't understand why you don't understand that.

If he didn't walk out of his house and start shooting then everyone would be alive.

When he decided to do what he did no one's life was in danger. Its not cowardice to decide not to shoot.

A person points a gun at you, I understand, shoot first etc but he took a life that did not need to be taken and that is the point of this thread.

Another dead body

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