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RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours - 7/10/2006 4:41:04 PM

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as for myself,i feel that if a person(s) wants in bad enough there is nothing that can stop them.the only chance i give someone who breaks into my home to sleep with the bedroom door locked.which will give me time to call 911 before i fatally wound them."leave no enemy alive behind you" sun tzu,the art of war.

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RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours - 7/10/2006 4:54:23 PM

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Neets is running around with a loaded water pistol!

What should I do?

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RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours - 7/10/2006 5:11:49 PM

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Neets is running around with a loaded water pistol!

What should I do?

laughing here... disarm her before you get soaked and catch a cold.. it is winter down there!

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RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours - 7/10/2006 6:17:54 PM

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~looks at julia

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I need My double Barrel water pistol to scare away the bad ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..........................

No one takes My water pistol and gets away dry... mmmmmmwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours - 7/10/2006 6:23:23 PM

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Wow, I wonder what your training is?

Over half a century as a skeptic....

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RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours - 7/10/2006 6:29:35 PM

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Perhaps it affects you like that, but when I was in a car accident a few years ago time slowed down, every muscle in my body went rigid, I got tunnel vision. I became hyper sensitive. I freaked out and did not respond the way I would "rationally". I did not check my mother who was in the car, I got out of the car and walked around it.. my heart was racing so fast I thought it might come out of my chest.. this is the true flight or fight response.. not a feeling of "excitement". My mother means far more than the car did, but like I said, I was not "me". I broke down in tears as soon as I realized we could have been killed and wouldn't stop crying... my son was not in the car as he usually would be, and where he usually sat was crushed.. I think that was when I totally lost it... realizing this.

My point is, unless you have been in a position like the one above I really do not think most people could judge how they would react to someone attacking them. You just think you might know.. Unless someone has been in the position of having that amount of adrenaline dumped into their system, they just don't know.

It is called 'tachyphasia', and has actually been studied...not that there is a magic button to make it go away, but tactical (driving, shooting, etc.) training under adrenalin dump inducing conditions does seem to help.

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RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours - 7/10/2006 7:24:59 PM

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Well I hope he at least had a towel handy!

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RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours - 7/10/2006 8:57:00 PM

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julia

Bear don't need a towel He got smelly fur.

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RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours - 7/10/2006 10:07:57 PM

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Personally, I find it quite sad that everyone has taken what started out as a perfectly good and fun thread, and turned it into something of a battleground. I think everyone should just agree to disagree becasue there are no right answers and there are no wrong answers.

Hello A/all,

I apologize Tikkiee, I was simply discussing some of the things I do professionally and apparently some think I am some anti-gun, anti-police, granola eating lunatic.

The statistically most common assault of any type is a single, unarmed male assailant. Assailants tend to assault other's within their own racial and socioeconomic strata, despite what Clear Channel would have you believe.

The ones reported on the news are the exceptions: multiple attacker home invasions, race A beating up on or raping race B, etc.

The gun owner who successfully shoots their intruder is the one who makes the news. The burglar who shoots the homeowner generally doesnt, probably because he erases his fingerprints from the weapon and leaves.

I have and do training in the field of adrenalin response self-defense as well as verbal self defense. However, I also have a lot of training in a dozen or so martial arts (several extensively) which I view as being essentially worthless in a fight for various reasons.

My point was that I dont own a gun. I know why I dont own a gun. You want to own a gun, knock yourself out. I think people who think that buying a six shot .38 special at K-Mart and loading it with bullets will make them immune from a heavily armed and planned home invasion style robbery (which is statistically considered an outlier) by people who have experience are delusional.

However, that is just me, and I could be wrong.

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RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours - 7/10/2006 10:14:53 PM

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Neets is running around with a loaded water pistol!

What should I do?

We did this fun exercise in class last weekend.

I pointed a water pistol at the student from 2 feet away, both facing me and with their back to me.

They had to get to me and kick me in the groin full power without getting wet.

A gun is a linear weapon. The bullet flies out the end in a straight line. Get offline, the bullet doesnt hit you. Duh.

After about the second attempt, I never got any of my students wet.

Just me, could be wrong, by my students dont have any little water pistol marks on their shirts or faces.

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RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours - 7/10/2006 10:15:37 PM

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Can I lend him a blow dryer?

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RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours - 7/10/2006 11:45:13 PM

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whyyyyyyyyyyyy He'll dry Himself some how and if you do make sure it a super HOT.

LOL

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RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours - 7/10/2006 11:46:16 PM

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Growing up homeless in Paris, I can say many criminals prefered it when their victim was armed, because it provided them the needed adrenaline to use weapons themselves. If the victim wasn't armed, they couldn't bring themselves to use their own weapons.

It was an odd machismo thing but definitely present.

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RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours - 7/11/2006 12:31:33 AM

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currently dont own any weapons, but unca sam taught me how to shoot n stomp. i go to the range 2-3 times per year just to keep in practice.

oh...i change that *g* i have a rolling pin, an iron, and some really sharp knives...i feel very safe on my own

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RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours - 7/11/2006 4:28:57 AM

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Growing up homeless in Paris, I can say many criminals prefered it when their victim was armed, because it provided them the needed adrenaline to use weapons themselves. If the victim wasn't armed, they couldn't bring themselves to use their own weapons.

It was an odd machismo thing but definitely present.

Must be a French thing.

Otherwise that makes zero sense.

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RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours - 7/11/2006 4:53:02 AM

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Hmmm. I have a security alarm that is monitored, a bat and a dog. Amazingly enough I was broken into and nothing came of it. It took the police one and a half hours to respond to the alarm. Useless. They know who did it and they still did nothing.

Guns are useless. 15% of all breakins occur when you are at home according to statistics. So-called "home invasions". The invaders came for a reason. They know what they want. They know what they are up against and they are armed. You ARE more often than not going to get hurt or killed if you start flashing a gun or something as pathetic as a sword around (bringing a knife to a gunfight. How typical).

The best thing you could do for yourself is train yourself in martial arts. Learn how to disarm an armed intruder.

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RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours - 7/11/2006 5:06:50 AM

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SirKenin,

In reletive closed quaters such as my home, I'll back me armed with my katana against a gun carrying intruder any time and I'd even lay a bet that tirst move I make disarms him literally and the second beheads him... But there has been one hell of a lot of practice too in these type senarios.. .

The difference is that most people train or are trained to defend themselves or their property. I am trained to kill. No questions asked..

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RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours - 7/11/2006 5:07:13 AM

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Hmmm. I have a security alarm that is monitored, a bat and a dog. Amazingly enough I was broken into and nothing came of it. It took the police one and a half hours to respond to the alarm. Useless. They know who did it and they still did nothing.

Guns are useless. 15% of all breakins occur when you are at home according to statistics. So-called "home invasions". The invaders came for a reason. They know what they want. They know what they are up against and they are armed. You ARE more often than not going to get hurt or killed if you start flashing a gun or something as pathetic as a sword around (bringing a knife to a gunfight. How typical).

The best thing you could do for yourself is train yourself in martial arts. Learn how to disarm an armed intruder.

Bringing a knife to a gunfight is dumb, but bringing a fist is preferred? Dream on.

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RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours - 7/11/2006 5:22:00 AM

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Best Karate scene I have ever seen was in an old movie called "The Killer Elite" with James Caan and Robert Duval. The two of them are attacked by about a dozen or so ninjas. They argue over who gets to shoot them and the scene ends with them surrounded by a pile of dead ones.

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RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours - 7/11/2006 5:33:28 AM

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Hmmm. I have a security alarm that is monitored, a bat and a dog. Amazingly enough I was broken into and nothing came of it. It took the police one and a half hours to respond to the alarm. Useless. They know who did it and they still did nothing.

Guns are useless. 15% of all breakins occur when you are at home according to statistics. So-called "home invasions". The invaders came for a reason. They know what they want. They know what they are up against and they are armed. You ARE more often than not going to get hurt or killed if you start flashing a gun or something as pathetic as a sword around (bringing a knife to a gunfight. How typical).

The best thing you could do for yourself is train yourself in martial arts. Learn how to disarm an armed intruder.

Bringing a knife to a gunfight is dumb, but bringing a fist is preferred? Dream on.

I will take a well trained martial artist over a knife wielding desperado any day of the week. Knives do not scare Me. Mind you, you are not going to learn how to disarm a gunman in the first month of training, but unless you are far more versed in how to use a sword than they are at pulling the trigger, you are a dead man. End of story.

Of course, there is always the chance that the invader brought his Swiss Army knife instead of his or her gun and tries to rip your heart out with the corkscrew.

Then you might stand a chance.

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