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RE: Dixie Chicks: Radical Chicks? - 7/4/2006 8:10:00 AM

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I have always been a fan of The Dixie Chicks, I didn't throw away any cd's or burn them (crap is expensive). I am not sure that I agree or disagree with what Natalie said. I do think she could have handled herself better. If you are going to speak out and say things, I have no problem with it. You had better be ready to back those things up time and time again though. With that you must also accept any backlash that follows. Hell, most of us here on the boards have to be ready to back up any little comment or statement we make. Why shouldn't someone in her position have to do the same?

I think that is what annoyed me more than any of it.. the comments after the first one. She and the others could not be mature about it..it became bitter and childish (from different comments I have read). It's funny how when we can't defend what we say.. we resort to first grader coping skills as a way to handle very adult situations. That is usually when I do lose respect for anyone (celebrity or not) and just find the block (volume, tuner, cd changer) button and vanish *poof* them away.

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RE: Dixie Chicks: Radical Chicks? - 7/4/2006 8:14:22 AM

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the obscene labeling of folks to be treasoness is DANGEROUS

it must stop.

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RE: Dixie Chicks: Radical Chicks? - 7/4/2006 8:17:10 AM

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I don't like the easy use of "treason" either, pahunk. The "we're right no matter what" b.s. doesn't do anyone any good.

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RE: Dixie Chicks: Radical Chicks? - 7/4/2006 10:00:21 AM

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which brings me to another point , why is it that everyone in this country( and others) that makes a successfull movie or CD , thinks they need to become the polical spokesperson for our times! if they would have just stuck to playing music , whish is what they are good at, they would not have had this problem, as i suspect i would have problems if i started preaching law or medicine! Jody

Who said that the DC or any other celebrity are making themselves a spokesperson? Everyone has an opinion and the right to state it (or if they don't, we have problems!). It just so happens that this person was a singer instead of a doctor or a lawyer. So what? There are a lot of songs out there about any number of topics (politics included). This isn't new.

Personally, I have to applaud them for having the guts to say what they believe and to stick to it after being abused and threatened. I value integrity. I also value honesty.

As a side note - I don't even listen to country music. I just admire the DC for having the guts to speak up. I happen to agree with them.

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I have 5 close members of my family that are either current or former military. Some of whom were and still are fans of the DC's.
What most of the narrow minded country music fans that have bashed this group, for being esentially American, do not realize is that by their very attitudes and behaviour THEY represent the United States in a much worse light not any celebrity or entertainer.
I have always been a fan of the Dixie Chicks and am even more one now.
If the day comes when ANY United States citizen cannot voice their opinion of ANY government official then everything my family members and all other soldiers that have served and continue to serve for turns into worthless rhetoric.
In this country we like to pretend to be oh so open minded and proud of our freedoms while our fears and narrow minded opinions are actually driving us backwards.
As an American I support anyone's right to voice their feelings and opinions wether I agree with them or not.

And BTW, Texas can take the Bushs back and keep them........

Wait, LaTigresse! Don't be sending the Bushes back to Texas until AFTER I've bailed out! LOL! I have to protect my IQ from dropping.
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RE: Dixie Chicks: Radical Chicks? - 7/4/2006 10:15:48 AM

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The article below is about Stevie Nick's mission to heal. Now this woman, is a class act. Her actions speak far louder than the "radical" words used by others

http://stevie-nicks.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=735&Itemid=68.

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RE: Dixie Chicks: Radical Chicks? - 7/4/2006 10:20:40 AM

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I guess what baffles me is this is STILL going on! If people would put half the energy into something positive instead of focussing on the negative of what some people say.................good lord, imagine what could be done.
Celebrity or not..........the girl said something, it upset people, make note of it and move on. They have had death threats over this.....i don't get it, i truly don't, and quite honestly, i don't want to get it. I don't want to know people like this.
Here's another way i feel. Bush does suck! and somewhere in texas there's a village missing an idiot. I have the right to say that and so does anyone else that feels that way. Am i going to get death threats because i say i can't stand Bush? probably not, i am only an American citizen who votes..........not a Celebrity.

.............and i'm still baffled by it all.

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RE: Dixie Chicks: Radical Chicks? - 7/4/2006 11:17:16 AM

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I find no issue with Natalie Maines speaking her mind about GWB and her feeling's of shame.

I find myself in these times feeling some shame about being an American because of where GBW has lead this country and the decisions he and the government have made and continue to make.

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RE: Dixie Chicks: Radical Chicks? - 7/4/2006 11:25:30 AM

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I tossed my DC cd's. I believe everyone is entitled to their opinion but I think that people of celebrity often take their celebrity too far and abuse it. Natalie Maines did just that and lost any respect I personally had for her.

I don't think music stars, movie stars, tv stars have any better opinions on the world and politics than the rest of us do. I believe it is wrong for them to use their celebrity as a platform to push their personal beliefs and agendas on the rest of us. I'm not gullible enough to fall for it, but there are many people that are, just because they've seen such and such in a movie or on tv.

I don't think celebrities should be allowed to make their voices louder than mine, as I have just as many beliefs, ideas and opinions about politics and the world at large as they do. I just don't have the availability of a stage and a microphone.

I avoid the movies, music, etc., of celebrities who have political agendas they present in public.

I don't really care what Natalie Maines thinks of George Bush. What I do care about is that she maligned the President (it could have been Kerry, or Ronald McDonald, it wouldn't have mattered), on foreign soil in a very public way.

This is the type of thing that makes our country weaker, not stronger. It makes us appear weak to the very people who wish to do us harm. Thanks for opening that door a little wider, Natalie, ya idiot.

So celebreties do not have any freedom of speech?
Lets just stop them supporting charities and lending their support to aid agencies then. That will put an end to it all.

I did not say that they do not have freedom of speech. What I said was that their freedom of speech should not be louder than mine or anyone else's. It should be equal to every man. Further, I don't support their charities and aid agencies. Not to mention, they can support those agencies and charities with their checkbook and not their mouth, just like anyone else. I support local charities.

Why should celebrity grant a person privileges beyond those of any other person?
What makes their freedom of speech more valuable than any other person? It is more valuable, if Joe Blow can't get the same air time to make his pronouncements and he can't, can he?

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RE: Dixie Chicks: Radical Chicks? - 7/4/2006 11:51:09 AM

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feastie...their freedom of speech is the same as yours, it is the media who decided to tell the world what they said, therefore you should hold the entertainment media responsible, not them.

And their freedom of speech is indeed far more valuable than yours....because you would curtail theirs.

They have the right to say what they believe in any venue or context, just the same as you, whining because the entertainment-centered American media, which slavishly reports when Brittany's no-talent/no-name husband farts, chooses to promulgate their words and not yours is just that...whining.

If you want your every word pasted on the front page, get famous, you don't even need real talent anymore, marketing and a good perm will suffice.

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RE: Dixie Chicks: Radical Chicks? - 7/4/2006 11:54:03 AM

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In responce to feastie.
Simple; The celebrity doesn't have anymore right than Joe Blow but just because of their celebrity they have a much greater ability to reach people by the masses.

That's why "some people" get so freaked out and defensive when celebrities speak out, about, for or against anything because what they say can reach a massive amount of people in a very short time. That has nothing to do with Joe Blow not having the right he is just a bit more limited in the spreading of what he might wish to express.

The death threats were pretty damn outrageous and they should have been prosecuted who ever made them.

Celebrities have a right to state their opinions just as well as anyone else. They should not have to watch their words because of their "Celebrity Edge" just because the truth and/or their opinion may hurt the country or it's current adminstration's reputation.

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RE: Dixie Chicks: Radical Chicks? - 7/4/2006 12:37:26 PM

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Celebrities have a right to state their opinions just as well as anyone else. They should not have to watch their words because of their "Celebrity Edge" just because the truth and/or their opinion may hurt the country or it's current adminstration's reputation.

*Brightspot

I believe they have every right to state there opinion, but on the same note they have to expect what backlash comes from that. Not the stupid death threats, but the burning of there products and boycotts of there work if people don't like it. If thay can't handle it, they shouldn't of went for the role of celebrity to start with.

Being a celebrity is that much more reason to watch your words, there is going to be more people for and against what you say with them. Where I see they was wrong in what they said was the when and where. They was paid by each fan to intertain not rant about there polilical agenda. If thats what they want to do, go campain for someone, vote or even run for an office to do that, but do it on there own time. That goes for any of them for or against.

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RE: Dixie Chicks: Radical Chicks? - 7/4/2006 12:55:09 PM

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I had to ask what pejorative meant too:)

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What's a litmus test for me is, if a person is incensed about a celebrity using his or her fame for some cause that they object to, do they equally object to celebrities using fame to support a cause they agree with? If their ire is side sensitive, that comes across as a hypocrite to me.

I have to agree with Mr. Warren.

All sorts of stars pour out millions of dollars for charities and causes they believe in. Which charities and causes they pick are based on their personal opinions, and what they feel is the best or most important one.
I support charities, ones that I think are important and worthwhile. It's based on my opinions too. I'd say their opinion in this instance is a hell of a lot louder then mine.
If celebrities shouldn't have a louder voice then we the general public do, many charities would never get off the ground.

All celebrities have opinions, and they all feel free to share them with the general public at any time.
Funny that it's the opinions we Don't agree with that cause reactions like this.
I rather respect Natalie Maines for stating her opinions. It was an unpopular opinion, and probably had adverse effects to her career, my guess is she knew that and said it anyways.

There are many ways to get your opinions heard. Letters to editors of magazines, submitting letters to the editors of newspapers, you can even make your own website dedicated to getting your opinions heard if you want.

As for having political agendas, who doesn't? We all have our opinions on how things should be run and who runs them.

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RE: Dixie Chicks: Radical Chicks? - 7/4/2006 1:24:08 PM

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This is how Capitolism works:

You have free speech. We can spend our money where we want to. Radio stations can play who they choose in order to attract the biggest audience and top advertising dollars. That is all they care about. People have the right to protest your free speech by burning CDs in the streets; that is THEIR free speech.

The Dixie Chicks have had to cancel 42 concerts for lack of sales. Before the controversy, they used to sell out. Last time I checked, the new album was at $1 mil which is low for them. Maybe just a coincidence. Maybe not.

They had their free speech. They offended some of their "Customers". I guess "Free" Speech hits you in the wallet sometimes if you are a public figure. People have the right to not buy their music any more if they are mad at them. They have the right to put their careers on the line for what they believe in.

Free Country. Be careful how you use your freedoms, because everyone else here is also Free to react to you.

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RE: Dixie Chicks: Radical Chicks? - 7/4/2006 3:54:32 PM

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And andrea, I like your hat .

Lol.. I actually sat here..scrolled back up twice, stared at the pic for a few seconds each time...and thought what the heck is He talking about?... then.. I remembered the pic on my profile...lol.. forgive me.. I am a bit slow tonight..

Thanks very much, btw..

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RE: Dixie Chicks: Radical Chicks? - 7/4/2006 5:31:35 PM

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I believe they have every right to state there opinion, but on the same note they have to expect what backlash comes from that. Not the stupid death threats, but the burning of there products and boycotts of there work if people don't like it. If thay can't handle it, they shouldn't of went for the role of celebrity to start with.

Being a celebrity is that much more reason to watch your words, there is going to be more people for and against what you say with them. Where I see they was wrong in what they said was the when and where. They was paid by each fan to intertain not rant about there polilical agenda. If thats what they want to do, go campain for someone, vote or even run for an office to do that, but do it on there own time. That goes for any of them for or against.

WWS

They weren't paid by fans to entertain them. Many musicians sing for themselves... for their own pleasure. Perhaps just as much, or more, sing for sales. None of that makes any difference. They're at liberty to sing about cookies and gumdrops just as much as they're free to sing against the current President and his actions.

If I went out and bought a CD by someone I enjoyed listening to... that'd be my choice and my money. The musician hasn't forced me, in some fashion or another, to purchase their CD. If they held a gun to my head and made me buy their CD but I thought it - or perhaps its message - was a bunch of rubbish I'd have a reason to complain.

But until I'm being manipulated or forced into buying something I have no desire or use for I shouldn't complain about having bought it in the first place. That was my action and I ought to assume responsibility for it. At any rate, complaining about it is pathetic and quite frankly gets me nowhere fast.

If I buy a CD by a favorite artist and come to find enough songs repugnant or distasteful as to desire to get rid of the CD... that's also my choice. I can burn it, chuck it into a trash compactor or toss it into the air and use it for target practice. That'd be my right.

As for those who have complained about celebrities having a louder voice... get on the bleedin' horn. Go to rallies. Picket. Write to your congress(wo)man about whatever it is you're interested in seeing change. Start a grassroots movement.

But don't whine that celebrities are "abusing their rights". They have every right to be just as loudly heard as you'd like to be - and it just so happens they're in a place to do so... sometimes to their detriment. (Tom Cruise anyone?) Just because you've got journalists on your tail doesn't mean you stop having opinions. And just because people don't always agree with them doesn't mean that celebrities have to censor themselves. They are people first, for good or bad. And that means they've got the same right to free speech that the rest of us have. Deal with it.

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RE: Dixie Chicks: Radical Chicks? - 7/4/2006 5:55:22 PM

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I am new here, so bear with me. I do not know every detail of the Natalie Maines saga. I do know that alot of my friends were hurt by what Jane Fonda had done. They were only doing what they were ordered to do. I feel that Natalie had every right to speak her mind, but I think it should have been on American soil that she made her remark. This does not refer to just her, but so much for the united front. It doesn't matter if I think what we are doing is right or wrong. It doesn't matter what I think of the president. As an American I feel that I have a duty to support our troops no matter what.

Thank you for letting me speak my mind.

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RE: Dixie Chicks: Radical Chicks? - 7/4/2006 6:34:04 PM

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I am new here, so bear with me. I do not know every detail of the Natalie Maines saga. I do know that alot of my friends were hurt by what Jane Fonda had done. They were only doing what they were ordered to do. I feel that Natalie had every right to speak her mind, but I think it should have been on American soil that she made her remark. This does not refer to just her, but so much for the united front. It doesn't matter if I think what we are doing is right or wrong. It doesn't matter what I think of the president. As an American I feel that I have a duty to support our troops no matter what.

Thank you for letting me speak my mind.

Welcome to the boards, subvalena.

I would differ only in that I think it does matter what you think; you can disagree and still support the troops.

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RE: Dixie Chicks: Radical Chicks? - 7/4/2006 7:01:05 PM

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I am new here, so bear with me. I do not know every detail of the Natalie Maines saga. I do know that alot of my friends were hurt by what Jane Fonda had done. They were only doing what they were ordered to do. I feel that Natalie had every right to speak her mind, but I think it should have been on American soil that she made her remark. This does not refer to just her, but so much for the united front. It doesn't matter if I think what we are doing is right or wrong. It doesn't matter what I think of the president. As an American I feel that I have a duty to support our troops no matter what.

Thank you for letting me speak my mind.

I haven't seen anyone come out for not supporting the troops. Some of us just think they are being put in harm's way for no good reason.

The big difference between Fonda and the DCs is that they simply spoke their mind. She traveled to an enemy country, gave them tangible support and even manned one of their weapons. To some of us, that a big big difference.

Finally, for many of us it does very much matter whether "what we are doing is right or wrong." This country is going to have to live with those actions for years and a patriot doesn't want to see his or her country damaged, whether the attack comes from without or within.

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RE: Dixie Chicks: Radical Chicks? - 7/4/2006 9:02:10 PM

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I believe they have every right to state there opinion, but on the same note they have to expect what backlash comes from that. Not the stupid death threats, but the burning of there products and boycotts of there work if people don't like it. If thay can't handle it, they shouldn't of went for the role of celebrity to start with.

Being a celebrity is that much more reason to watch your words, there is going to be more people for and against what you say with them. Where I see they was wrong in what they said was the when and where. They was paid by each fan to intertain not rant about there polilical agenda. If thats what they want to do, go campain for someone, vote or even run for an office to do that, but do it on there own time. That goes for any of them for or against.

WWS

They weren't paid by fans to entertain them. Many musicians sing for themselves... for their own pleasure. Perhaps just as much, or more, sing for sales. None of that makes any difference. They're at liberty to sing about cookies and gumdrops just as much as they're free to sing against the current President and his actions.

If I went out and bought a CD by someone I enjoyed listening to... that'd be my choice and my money. The musician hasn't forced me, in some fashion or another, to purchase their CD. If they held a gun to my head and made me buy their CD but I thought it - or perhaps its message - was a bunch of rubbish I'd have a reason to complain.

But until I'm being manipulated or forced into buying something I have no desire or use for I shouldn't complain about having bought it in the first place. That was my action and I ought to assume responsibility for it. At any rate, complaining about it is pathetic and quite frankly gets me nowhere fast.

If I buy a CD by a favorite artist and come to find enough songs repugnant or distasteful as to desire to get rid of the CD... that's also my choice. I can burn it, chuck it into a trash compactor or toss it into the air and use it for target practice. That'd be my right.

As for those who have complained about celebrities having a louder voice... get on the bleedin' horn. Go to rallies. Picket. Write to your congress(wo)man about whatever it is you're interested in seeing change. Start a grassroots movement.

But don't whine that celebrities are "abusing their rights". They have every right to be just as loudly heard as you'd like to be - and it just so happens they're in a place to do so... sometimes to their detriment. (Tom Cruise anyone?) Just because you've got journalists on your tail doesn't mean you stop having opinions. And just because people don't always agree with them doesn't mean that celebrities have to censor themselves. They are people first, for good or bad. And that means they've got the same right to free speech that the rest of us have. Deal with it.

It might do yoiu some good to read what is said first!

She was on stage of a concert they was putting on! Did they let the fans in free? I don't think so she was being PAID by the FANS to entertain at a concert when she said it. When your at work does your boss let you stand around and rant about your polilical agenda or do they tell you to get to work? They have no song to play that supports there polilical agenda, so she should have just got to work and left politics alone until she was off stage.

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RE: Dixie Chicks: Radical Chicks? - 7/5/2006 12:28:20 AM

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I tossed my DC cd's. I believe everyone is entitled to their opinion but I think that people of celebrity often take their celebrity too far and abuse it. Natalie Maines did just that and lost any respect I personally had for her.

I don't think music stars, movie stars, tv stars have any better opinions on the world and politics than the rest of us do. I believe it is wrong for them to use their celebrity as a platform to push their personal beliefs and agendas on the rest of us. I'm not gullible enough to fall for it, but there are many people that are, just because they've seen such and such in a movie or on tv.

I don't think celebrities should be allowed to make their voices louder than mine, as I have just as many beliefs, ideas and opinions about politics and the world at large as they do. I just don't have the availability of a stage and a microphone.

I avoid the movies, music, etc., of celebrities who have political agendas they present in public.

This type of logic makes perfect sense, but only when it’s applied across the board.

You and others worried about the Dixie Chics exercising their first amendment rights and speaking out against Bush, when we have Neocon cronies like George Schultz and Henry Kissenger acting as agent provocateurs for foreign interests, secretly lobbying against the popular opinion of the American people with regard to the Chinese and the UAE company who tried to take over our ports.

Sure celebrities have some sway with a very limited segment of the population, but what does it matter when these politicians are sell-outs and only beholden to special interests?

The real ''celebrities'' we need to be cautious of are not the ones from Hollywood or the music industry, but instead all the ex politicians and lawyers who now working as lobbyists and for foreign interests to subvert our own interests.

And I'm sorry.... but I just have to end this post with my favorite Kissenger quote

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