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RE: Nazi Role Play - 12/14/2013 8:46:37 AM

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sounds good to me, where can i sign up?

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RE: Nazi Role Play - 12/14/2013 8:53:48 AM

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The iconic dominatrix Eva Norvind (the subject of the documentary Didn't Do it for Love) would role play as a Nazi for a Jewish client who was a Holocaust survivor. Maybe that was something he needed to heal, just as some rape victims are drawn to rape roleplay, so they can re-enact their trauma in a safe environment.

So, like most kinks, I think Nazi roleplay can be a good thing. And, like most kinks, I think most of the time, it is neither good nor bad, just self-indulgent.

Personally, I don't like it. But, I have a Jewish friend that loves to play this way. She says what better way to minimize Hitler than turn him into a kinky sex game.

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RE: Nazi Role Play - 12/14/2013 9:13:53 AM

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I wouldn't participate in Nazi role play myself, but I wouldn't unfriend anyone participating for kink reasons.

It's been very difficult for my family since my mentally ill brother got swastika tattoos, especially for my sister, who married a Jewish man and is raising her kids Jewish. Mom and I hate it, but make more allowances for his mental illness than do my father and sister.

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RE: Nazi Role Play - 12/14/2013 9:18:56 AM

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I wouldn't participate in Nazi role play myself, but I wouldn't unfriend anyone participating for kink reasons.

It's been very difficult for my family since my mentally ill brother got swastika tattoos, especially for my sister, who married a Jewish man and is raising her kids Jewish. Mom and I hate it, but make more allowances for his mental illness than do my father and sister.

That's tragic, kalikshama.

Though does he have the swastikas because of their relation to Nazism? I know a Vietnamese woman who has a swastika tattoo because of its much older spiritual significance. She lives in Canada, and I asked her of she knew what people's first reaction was when they saw it. She said yes, and she decided the symbol was important enough to her that she would explain herself to anyone she wanted in her life.

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RE: Nazi Role Play - 12/14/2013 9:30:47 AM

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They are all acceptable role play and common public scenes, workshops and demos.

The Nazi guard and the Jewish prisoner
The British guard and the German prisoner
Interrogating the rebel by a military officer
The priest and the alter boy
Daddy and daughter corporal punishment
etc.

All stereotypical scene themes.

I totally agree with RS the Nazi role play as well as others or totally acceptable. More than that it is a very common one. BDSM is full of taboo subjects. Just because you enjoy a fetish does not make you a bad person or that you believe in the Nazi beliefs. Its is role play. Taking elements of normal life and bring them into a pleasurable experience. If a person role plays as an Adult Baby, does that make them a child pornographer? NO! It is simple role play.

Now with that said I can honestly say having a Domme in a latex Nazi uniform speaking in a German accent having me bound for an interrogation scene is very hot! I can say that because my Domme is German is she is very fucking in that scene! OMG!

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RE: Nazi Role Play - 12/14/2013 9:35:51 AM

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That's tragic, kalikshama.

Though does he have the swastikas because of their relation to Nazism? I know a Vietnamese woman who has a swastika tattoo because of its much older spiritual significance. She lives in Canada, and I asked her of she knew what people's first reaction was when they saw it. She said yes, and she decided the symbol was important enough to her that she would explain herself to anyone she wanted in her life.

He has given many explanations, including the older meaning. Sometimes he sounds like he has bought into skinhead ideology, but he also believes he needs to patrol the cemetery to keep it safe from grave robbers.

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RE: Nazi Role Play - 12/14/2013 9:39:18 AM

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I wouldn't participate in Nazi role play myself, but I wouldn't unfriend anyone participating for kink reasons.

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Now, if that person sees it as kink and is not a supporter, than it would be ok for me not to unfriend him, after all, everyone has his or her kinks which others might disagree with.

However, if he would be a supporter than he would not be part of my life. I enjoyed it big time to hear many times in the news this year, how racist political parties did not get a chance to talk during the election time over here this year as the folks who attended it to work against them were simply way more people and way louder than them and once their speaking time was over they had to leave the scene...without getting the chance of having a say.

Having seen their election paper "wisdoms" over here on the streets during the weeks up to the election was seriously disgusting and gave an awful close glimps, about how it would be like again over here, if they would win...

It was seriously touching to hear in the news, how the majority of people did not give them a chance to speak during their time....and gives me a lot of hope for the future over here...

So I think the big question for me would be, if it is kink or the case of being underlying a supporter of it...

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RE: Nazi Role Play - 12/14/2013 3:43:31 PM

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I'm half German and I just can't ever EVER see being involved with Nazi role play. It just squicks me out and makes my flesh crawl in a big BIG way. I feel horrible that my ancestors could have done such atrocities to anyone. At the same time, I will not lambast someone who chooses that particular role play because it is just that, role play. If someone asked me to get involved in it, however, it would be a very VERY big "Oh HELL NO!!!" I guess it's the same reaction I have to rape role play, only worse.

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RE: Nazi Role Play - 12/14/2013 4:12:08 PM

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I feel horrible that my ancestors could have done such atrocities to anyone.

not to be harsh but your ancestors probably sieged Milan in the 12th century, nazist were more likely your cousins of some degree.

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RE: Nazi Role Play - 12/15/2013 12:45:00 AM

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I have a serious issue with it.

My maternal grandmother escaped Nazi Germany in the 1930s. My entire mother's side lost maybe half of its relatives in the camps. I have a knee-jerk reaction to anything Nazi. I try to get that it's nothing but a simple fetish uniform for some people, but it's almost an instinctive reaction of visceral hatred for me.

Ditto. My grandfather lost his 5 brothers in the camps.

I think it's fucking disgusting to make a fetish of something that affected so many forever.

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RE: Nazi Role Play - 12/15/2013 1:48:00 AM

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Although I'm usually the most liberal person in any given space, I don't believe that "anything goes." First, Do No Harm.

This question is a tough one. Emotionally, I'm clear. I've been in a club, where to my dismay, there were Nazi uniforms. I was very disturbed and refused to be within close proximity (I actually left the club). Since my early years, I've been aware of, and worked against, genocides. But, as another poster said, if a holocaust survivor finds peace or pleasure from a re-enactment scene... who am I to judge? I just couldn't be near it. That means I couldn't befriend someone who has the fetish, either.

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RE: Nazi Role Play - 12/15/2013 6:10:09 AM

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I feel horrible that my ancestors could have done such atrocities to anyone.

not to be harsh but your ancestors probably sieged Milan in the 12th century, nazist were more likely your cousins of some degree.

Yeah, and that's horrible too. But the thread wasn't about that, or I would have mentioned it.

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RE: Nazi Role Play - 12/15/2013 6:29:12 AM

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I know a sub who's heavily into the dominant Nazi female sadist prison guard fantasy but really rather angrily denies that his being Jewish has anything at all to do with it. But then he's in rather a lot of denial about a lot of things .. age, height, availability, wanting everything but giving nothing, topping from the bottom, openness ... the list goes on.

Not my thing, I have no investment or involvement in that scene, but if the subs get some kind of kick out of it and they can find a dom/domme to provide it, well, each to their own.

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RE: Nazi Role Play - 12/15/2013 10:53:32 AM

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Yeah, I guess Nazis are distant and unrepeatable enough to me that they're more cartoon characters than something I'd imagine legitimately encountering in the real world.

Like - I could imagine getting into a fantasy where my partner was Lex Luthor or some other over-the-top villain. And a stereotypical Nazi fits into that category in my mind.

Racism and Fascism are very real, though, and... for example I can't imagine having a sexual fantasy about someone in a KKK uniform. Because that's somehow a lot more real to me.

And in either case, if my partner was an actual racist or fascist, that would be a huge deal-breaker for me even if I was otherwise somehow on-board.

So I guess it's all about what you're comfortable with.

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RE: Nazi Role Play - 12/15/2013 11:05:26 AM

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I wouldn't do Nazi roleplay. However, some people enjoy it very much. If it is shown on your friend's feed don't watch it if it bothers you. Accepting that others might play in ways that I wouldn't consider playing doesn't mean I have to participate or see that play. At an event I attended people were asked to not do certain types of play in the public areas as it squicked out too many people. However, that play in your own personal camping area was okay. That gave people choice. If you wanted to watch it you could.

I wouldn't give up a good friendship over this. It's pretend. It's fantasy. It's not really a lot different from playing a role in a play or movie.

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RE: Nazi Role Play - 12/15/2013 11:26:42 AM

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I am not one nazi role play. But I am not going to be write people off that engage in it either. It's just not my thing.

I guess I wonder where we would draw the line if this type of play is seen as out of bounds by the community.

What about rape play or daddy/girl play? Or what about priest/confessor play?

There is a lot of horrific things that happen in this world and in this lifestyle we often flirt on the edges of some of these things emotionally. But yet these play scenarios are just that. Play. Well at least for some people.

In the end... I look at these things on a case by case situation. Are the people having fun and are they more from the experience not less? What is their motivations to do this play?

I might not do it. But I will support another's right to enjoy and thrive in doing what they do.

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RE: Nazi Role Play - 12/15/2013 11:32:06 AM

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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

Personally, I don't like it. But, I have a Jewish friend that loves to play this way. She says what better way to minimize Hitler than turn him into a kinky sex game.

I rather like this way of thinking about it. It makes sense.

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RE: Nazi Role Play - 12/15/2013 12:34:25 PM

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So how does KKK role play work?! Probaly don't even want to know but it seem's like the same idea here.

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RE: Nazi Role Play - 12/15/2013 12:39:58 PM

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I just want to gain some insight into what the majority view on this might be. I want to be clear that it isn't something I do, but I have friends who participate and I guess I'm considering my feelings about that.

Is Nazi roleplay acceptable to you? Why or why not?

How do you feel about nazi roleplay showing up on, for example, your friend's feed (on other sites). Would it make you uncomfortable? Would you not care? Would you take steps to remove that content, i.e. by unfriending them or would that be offensive to the friend who was enjoying it?

Do we accept 'your kink is not my kink but your kink is ok' when it comes to nazi roleplay? Why or why not?

In general, how acceptable is open nazi roleplay within the scene? Would you accept it at clubs you went to?

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RE: Nazi Role Play - 12/15/2013 1:04:57 PM

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I just want to gain some insight into what the majority view on this might be. I want to be clear that it isn't something I do, but I have friends who participate and I guess I'm considering my feelings about that.

Is Nazi roleplay acceptable to you? Why or why not?

How do you feel about nazi roleplay showing up on, for example, your friend's feed (on other sites). Would it make you uncomfortable? Would you not care? Would you take steps to remove that content, i.e. by unfriending them or would that be offensive to the friend who was enjoying it?

Do we accept 'your kink is not my kink but your kink is ok' when it comes to nazi roleplay? Why or why not?

In general, how acceptable is open nazi roleplay within the scene? Would you accept it at clubs you went to?

Many thanks,

od

I accept folks are into Nazi role-play but having lost relatives in the camps, I would not be willing to participate. I can't even close my eyes at night without seeing images of the horror I was traumatized with at a very young age (Elie Weisel's Night and Fog, very inappropriate for an 10-year old.)

If that was a person's 'must-have' I would have to pass. IF I went to clubs, I would avoid those scenes. I don't want more exposure to the concept than I already have.

That said, what others do away from me is their own business.

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