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RE: Death penalty for being an asshole - 1/15/2014 5:27:08 AM   
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Since no one is beyond being an asshole, this would be rather self-defeating.

Literally.

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RE: Death penalty for being an asshole - 1/15/2014 6:33:34 AM   
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Back in the 'old days' of theater there existed a cloak room. Visiting guests to the theater would give their coats and such to a nice man or women in that area and be given a ticket with a number on it. After the show, they would hand this ticket to nice person to obtain their valuables.

Maybe the answer is to use something from history that was once done away with for being 'old fashion'. Instead, swipe the dust off the idea and place it back within the theater. A room that every guest must pass before being allowed into the theater (tickets, lobby, vending machines, counter, actual theater). They must surrender their cellphones, smartphones and arms, and given a 'ticket'. After the show, they can have their valuables back. If a person doesn't want to give up their prized pistol, they don't need to see the movie with their friends. Exceptions for those in the medical or law enforcement fields might be added. It would be a good idea for a medical doctor to know when he needs to beat feet to the hospital for an emergency, right?


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RE: Death penalty for being an asshole - 1/15/2014 10:03:29 AM   
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We clearly have a case of assault and battery, regardless of the fact it was with popcorn.


Wouldn't that make it assault and buttery?


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RE: Death penalty for being an asshole - 1/15/2014 10:14:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: joether
Back in the 'old days' of theater there existed a cloak room. Visiting guests to the theater would give their coats and such to a nice man or women in that area and be given a ticket with a number on it. After the show, they would hand this ticket to nice person to obtain their valuables.
Maybe the answer is to use something from history that was once done away with for being 'old fashion'. Instead, swipe the dust off the idea and place it back within the theater. A room that every guest must pass before being allowed into the theater (tickets, lobby, vending machines, counter, actual theater). They must surrender their cellphones, smartphones and arms, and given a 'ticket'. After the show, they can have their valuables back. If a person doesn't want to give up their prized pistol, they don't need to see the movie with their friends. Exceptions for those in the medical or law enforcement fields might be added. It would be a good idea for a medical doctor to know when he needs to beat feet to the hospital for an emergency, right?


Right, because Dr's are the only people who need to be contacted for emergencies. It's a good thing there aren't any emergencies anyone else can get into while going to see a movie.

Aren't theaters "Gun-Free Zones?" Could this case hinge on the definition of "excessive force" (which you would think a police officer, retired or not, would understand)?


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RE: Death penalty for being an asshole - 1/15/2014 11:02:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Catch up, i posted more info, if anyone cared to read....or google



But is it info, or is it spin?

The jury will figure it out. I'm going to hope the old coot gets a jury that likes going out to movies, but still has more decency in them than the ones that let the killers of Kelly Thomas walk away.

I dunno, the arrest record I posted is legit , or at least it seems to be as many other sites have shown it....
No rebuttals as being false, there are links to local papers. mI know there is more to come out, and a trial.
Lets keep to this topic, youhad your chance at Kelly Thomas, and Manuel.

I doubt the jury will be filled with people who go to a movie and wanna shoot people cos they are being noisy( not what happened I know, I wasnt talking about Reeves.)


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RE: Death penalty for being an asshole - 1/15/2014 11:16:06 AM   
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I checked Heavy.com
They had nothing actually bearing on the case.
It is beginning to look like self defense will be a major factor.
If Reeves was struck in the face he may be home free.

really??? the arrest record pic and link, wasnt enough for you??? the link to the tampa article wasnt sufficient?
You didnt read the part where its preported.....
"But nothing that happened Monday afternoon in Theater 10 at the Cobb Grove 16 Theatre in Wesley Chapel warranted “taking out a gun and firing at someone’s chest,” said Circuit Judge Lynn Tepper as she denied bail Tuesday afternoon for Curtis Reeves Jr., 71, a retired Tampa police captain charged with second-degree murder. "
Or
"The sheriff’s office confirmed that Reeves talked with a manager to complain about Oulson’s cell phone use, Detective Timothy Harris said.

“The manager said he was glad that he made him aware of it and (Reeves) returned to the theater,” Harris said.

The shooting happened, though, before the manager made it inside the theater to take action, he said."
http://tbo.com/news/crime/suspect-in-theater-shooting-goes-before-judge-today-20140114/
or look at the sherriffs report( a pdf) http://tbo.com/assets/pdf/TB38114.PDF
???
Or
Charles Rose, a professor at Stetson University College of Law, said the case theoretically could prompt a stand-your-ground defense, but the success could hinge on numerous details, from the lighting in the room to the relative size and strength of the two men, to what happened in the moments leading up to the shooting.

If not stand your ground, a defense attorney alternatively could use a straight self-defense argument, Rose said.

Although popcorn doesn’t seem like a serious weapon, throwing it at someone could be considered an assault, Rose said. If a defense attorney could show that the popcorn incident was part of a series of escalating events that caused Reeves to fear more was coming, then there is “a good self-defense argument and potentially a stand-your-ground argument,” Rose said.

On the other hand, Rose said, if evidence shows that Reeves egged on Oulson and was abusive toward him, and that Oulson responded to that abuse, then it’s more difficult to argue self defense.

“It’s a tragedy,” Rose said. “But like most Shakespearean tragedies, we can’t not watch it so there is going to be a lot of talk about it.”

Nocco said the sheriff’s office is looking into the report from the woman who said Reeves confronted her about texting at the theater in December.

“What we’re doing is going back now, our detectives are investigating it and seeing if we can pull video and see is it the same person,” Nocco said. “We’re going to look into this matter.”


you dont really look very hard do you
By the way... A first degree murderer, no....a killer...most assuredly.
Just like all the others.


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RE: Death penalty for being an asshole - 1/15/2014 2:34:38 PM   
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Whether it applies in this case or not remains to be seen, but a young adult male hitting a seventy something person in general could certainly fall well within the definition covered by reasonable use of force.



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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: joether
Back in the 'old days' of theater there existed a cloak room. Visiting guests to the theater would give their coats and such to a nice man or women in that area and be given a ticket with a number on it. After the show, they would hand this ticket to nice person to obtain their valuables.
Maybe the answer is to use something from history that was once done away with for being 'old fashion'. Instead, swipe the dust off the idea and place it back within the theater. A room that every guest must pass before being allowed into the theater (tickets, lobby, vending machines, counter, actual theater). They must surrender their cellphones, smartphones and arms, and given a 'ticket'. After the show, they can have their valuables back. If a person doesn't want to give up their prized pistol, they don't need to see the movie with their friends. Exceptions for those in the medical or law enforcement fields might be added. It would be a good idea for a medical doctor to know when he needs to beat feet to the hospital for an emergency, right?


Right, because Dr's are the only people who need to be contacted for emergencies. It's a good thing there aren't any emergencies anyone else can get into while going to see a movie.

Aren't theaters "Gun-Free Zones?" Could this case hinge on the definition of "excessive force" (which you would think a police officer, retired or not, would understand)?




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RE: Death penalty for being an asshole - 1/15/2014 2:37:40 PM   
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And nothing that a Circuit Court Judge says during intake proceedings is allowed to have any bearing on guilt or innocence. As I'm sure you are well aware.



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really??? the arrest record pic and link, wasnt enough for you??? the link to the tampa article wasnt sufficient?
You didnt read the part where its preported.....
"But nothing that happened Monday afternoon in Theater 10 at the Cobb Grove 16 Theatre in Wesley Chapel warranted “taking out a gun and firing at someone’s chest,” said Circuit Judge Lynn Tepper as she denied bail Tuesday afternoon for Curtis Reeves Jr., 71, a retired Tampa police captain charged with second-degree murder. "
Or
"The sheriff’s office confirmed that Reeves talked with a manager to complain about Oulson’s cell phone use, Detective Timothy Harris said.

“The manager said he was glad that he made him aware of it and (Reeves) returned to the theater,” Harris said.

The shooting happened, though, before the manager made it inside the theater to take action, he said."
http://tbo.com/news/crime/suspect-in-theater-shooting-goes-before-judge-today-20140114/
or look at the sherriffs report( a pdf) http://tbo.com/assets/pdf/TB38114.PDF
???




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RE: Death penalty for being an asshole - 1/15/2014 3:04:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

GO ahead Rich, try justify it however you want, I promise not to be surprised.




No worries, Lucy. I understand that some women are aroused by seeing their "men" show off how big and strong they are by abusing and humiliating the weak. If the Chad Oulson types give you the warm, moist, and squishies, I promise not to be surprised.


Sometimes I think you really, really don't get people born and brought up outside of the USA, TH. My overriding thought about this incident is 'Somebody got shot in a cinema, and just for being a pain in the arse.' The secondary thought is 'What kind of insanity led to a situation where someone shoots and kills someone else over a minor annoyance?'

The third thought is, 'Fuck it, this is a mostly American forum and talking about the lunacy of a society in which people legally take guns into cinemas will be a waste of my life. I can't be bothered.'

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RE: Death penalty for being an asshole - 1/15/2014 3:52:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
We clearly have a case of assault and battery, regardless of the fact it was with popcorn.


Wouldn't that make it assault and buttery?



Or maybe a salt and buttery...

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RE: Death penalty for being an asshole - 1/15/2014 3:54:06 PM   
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And nothing that a Circuit Court Judge says during intake proceedings is allowed to have any bearing on guilt or innocence. As I'm sure you are well aware.



well no DUH
bloody hell
LMFAO

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RE: Death penalty for being an asshole - 1/15/2014 4:01:42 PM   
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We clearly have a case of assault and battery, regardless of the fact it was with popcorn.

A 71 year old man may well have been in fear of bodily injury if the asshole was big and violent.


Absent fear for his life - the 71 will go to jail.
Its definitely going to be another debate about stand your ground

However, all that said - the world is a bit nicer of a place minus one and perhaps two assholes.



I didnt realise throwing popcorn was a capital offence, even in Florida.

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RE: Death penalty for being an asshole - 1/15/2014 4:05:00 PM   
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lots of hair trigger people out there, LOL

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RE: Death penalty for being an asshole - 1/15/2014 4:37:19 PM   
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Under common law based legal systems, 'battery' is the deliberate action of causing offensive or harmful contact with the person claiming to have been touched.

Throwing popcorn would count. Spitting would count. Sucker punching an old man in the head with the hand holding a bag of popcorn would count.

There seems to be a lot about the real world that you work very hard at 'not realizing'.

And don't waste my time coming back with the usual strawman that because I refuse to fall for your disinformation about the legal definition of battery, that I'm 'in favor' of anything.


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

We clearly have a case of assault and battery, regardless of the fact it was with popcorn.

A 71 year old man may well have been in fear of bodily injury if the asshole was big and violent.


Absent fear for his life - the 71 will go to jail.
Its definitely going to be another debate about stand your ground

However, all that said - the world is a bit nicer of a place minus one and perhaps two assholes.



I didnt realise throwing popcorn was a capital offence, even in Florida.




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RE: Death penalty for being an asshole - 1/15/2014 4:56:34 PM   
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Im sorry you had your sarcasm, humour,and irony glands removed.. FFS chill out

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RE: Death penalty for being an asshole - 1/15/2014 5:03:21 PM   
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Under common law based legal systems, 'battery' is the deliberate action of causing offensive or harmful contact with the person claiming to have been touched.

Throwing popcorn would count. Spitting would count. Sucker punching an old man in the head with the hand holding a bag of popcorn would count.

There seems to be a lot about the real world that you work very hard at 'not realizing'.

And don't waste my time coming back with the usual strawman that because I refuse to fall for your disinformation about the legal definition of battery, that I'm 'in favor' of anything.



I wasnt quoting you, yet you post personal attack. I clearly didnt suggest anything was disinformation, just that it didnt justify murder... Clearly, like Phydeaux, you feel its okay to kill someone for throwing popcorn.

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RE: Death penalty for being an asshole - 1/15/2014 5:25:31 PM   
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ROTFL!!! So posting the correct legal definition of battery is personally attacking you? Oh no!!! Someone run tell the mods, I dared to contradict Politesub53.

Because that's the only real actionable offense around here, isn't? Posting factual verifiable truth that contradicts the nonsense being sprayed constantly by some of the regulars?



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quote:

ORIGINAL: EdBowie

Under common law based legal systems, 'battery' is the deliberate action of causing offensive or harmful contact with the person claiming to have been touched.

Throwing popcorn would count. Spitting would count. Sucker punching an old man in the head with the hand holding a bag of popcorn would count.

There seems to be a lot about the real world that you work very hard at 'not realizing'.

And don't waste my time coming back with the usual strawman that because I refuse to fall for your disinformation about the legal definition of battery, that I'm 'in favor' of anything.



I wasnt quoting you, yet you post personal attack. I clearly didnt suggest anything was disinformation, just that it didnt justify murder... Clearly, like Phydeaux, you feel its okay to kill someone for throwing popcorn.




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RE: Death penalty for being an asshole - 1/15/2014 5:27:02 PM   
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Or what?
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Im sorry you had your sarcasm, humour,and irony glands removed.. FFS chill out



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RE: Death penalty for being an asshole - 1/15/2014 5:32:34 PM   
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you are gonna give yourself a ulcer..
whats wrong you think that was a threat?
poor thing

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RE: Death penalty for being an asshole - 1/15/2014 5:44:44 PM   
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Yeah, poor me... if I don't swallow the Kool Aid, I'll have a horrible life.

Quite an imagination you've got there.


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you are gonna give yourself a ulcer..
whats wrong you think that was a threat?
poor thing



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