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NiteWing2000 -> RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? (2/4/2014 9:19:23 PM)
No research needed. A tall tale is just that. None of her facts add up. No doctor would mix all the meds she is taking with any type of narcotic pain reliever.

ElectraGlide -> RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? (2/4/2014 9:43:40 PM)
I use walking as a way to treat pain. I have always had either hard physical jobs or easy ones, with long hours, and they both left me stiff and in pain. On my days off the stiffness really settles in and I just can't wait to go out and get a good long moderate walk. It does the job to loosen me up.

Ultimatetragedy -> RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? (2/4/2014 10:49:57 PM)
People dont become addicted at a dosage or a certain frequency. People become addicted when they take narcotics and do not have true PHYSICAL pain. An individual who has true pain and takes narcotics will not become addicted regardless of the dose, frequency or duration

Lynnxz -> RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? (2/5/2014 5:52:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ultimatetragedy People dont become addicted at a dosage or a certain frequency. People become addicted when they take narcotics and do not have true PHYSICAL pain. An individual who has true pain and takes narcotics will not become addicted regardless of the dose, frequency or duration Has a hint of truth to it, but you still see a lot of addictions that come along with long term legitimate usage. Lots of post-burn addictions, and you can't tell me they didn't have true pain. It becomes a matter of weighing the risks vs the benefits.

crazyml -> RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? (2/5/2014 6:19:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ultimatetragedy People dont become addicted at a dosage or a certain frequency. People become addicted when they take narcotics and do not have true PHYSICAL pain. An individual who has true pain and takes narcotics will not become addicted regardless of the dose, frequency or duration Nonsense. People become addicted at a dosage or a certain frequency - For some that is very low, for others that is very high. To suggest that people with "true" pain aren't at risk of addiction is the silliest thing I've seen on here for a good old while - And I've popped into P&R a few times...

dollparts85 -> RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? (2/5/2014 7:38:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NiteWing2000 No research needed. A tall tale is just that. None of her facts add up. No doctor would mix all the meds she is taking with any type of narcotic pain reliever. Obviously they do. LOL I can't take certain ones due to interactions but certain ones are safe.

dollparts85 -> RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? (2/5/2014 7:40:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ultimatetragedy People dont become addicted at a dosage or a certain frequency. People become addicted when they take narcotics and do not have true PHYSICAL pain. An individual who has true pain and takes narcotics will not become addicted regardless of the dose, frequency or duration You obviously know nothing about pain medication. Everyone who takes it on a daily basis for a prolonged period of time becomes physically addicted and that's why you have to go off it slowly or you could have a seizure or something. I don't want my body to become addicted to anything. I don't even drink caffeine. I don't like the feeling of needing anything.

angelikaJ -> RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? (2/5/2014 7:43:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lynnxz quote: ORIGINAL: Ultimatetragedy People dont become addicted at a dosage or a certain frequency. People become addicted when they take narcotics and do not have true PHYSICAL pain. An individual who has true pain and takes narcotics will not become addicted regardless of the dose, frequency or duration Has a hint of truth to it, but you still see a lot of addictions that come along with long term legitimate usage. Lots of post-burn addictions, and you can't tell me they didn't have true pain. It becomes a matter of weighing the risks vs the benefits. Some of pain management is sometimes controlled addiction. There are different components to addiction: one of which is physical. So, if you are unable to get to your clinic appointment and begin to miss doses of your prescribed medication (with no taper) you can actually experience withdrawal symptoms.

LafayetteLady -> RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? (2/5/2014 10:57:10 AM)
Itt really would be better if you had a clue about what you were talking about. Not everyone gets addicted to pain medication. There are a lot of factors involved in addiction. Although it is really interesting how you go on about not liking or wanting narcotics, yet the whole point of this thread was a complaint that your new pain management doctor won't prescribe them until you have a certain tests.

dollparts85 -> RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? (2/5/2014 11:18:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady Itt really would be better if you had a clue about what you were talking about. Not everyone gets addicted to pain medication. There are a lot of factors involved in addiction. Although it is really interesting how you go on about not liking or wanting narcotics, yet the whole point of this thread was a complaint that your new pain management doctor won't prescribe them until you have a certain tests. I just want something for when the pain is unbearable. I'm really worried about becoming addicted though. :( The medication she mentioned at my last appointment is some extended release opiate...and that sounds like something that my body would probably become addicted to? I don't know. She even said I could become addicted to the baclofen so if it doesn't work, I'll have to go off it slowly. Worried about that. But hopefully my back will get better soon and I won't need to take anything anymore. I hope, at least. I can handle the other joint pains. And the nerve pain. It's the back pain that I can't handle. :(

Diore -> RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? (2/9/2014 12:29:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ultimatetragedy Pain after back surgery is rather frequent....there is actually a medical diagnosis/condition known as Failed Back Syndrome. Innmate--have you any real medical training? HCTZ works primarily as a diuretic. If she had been experiencing urinary retention due to opiod use, diuretics would do nothing to alleviate the symptoms!! And would only cause more urinary retention which could lead to post obstructive renal failure!!! Pain medications do NOT directly cause fluctuations in the SNS/PNS. Pain causes increased discharge of catecholamines which in turn increase blood pressure. There are a number of ways to treat heart failure. The mainstay is to increase ionotropy and decrease chronotropy. An EKG can not be used to diagnose Heart failure as it is a lack of ionotropy and not of electrical conductance (which is what EKG picks up). Innmate, from the quality of your posts, it is evident you dont really have any medical training and thus should avoid doling out erroneous information. ANY ONE who completed medical school would be able to see the fallacy of your recommendations! I don't have a horse in this race, but a diuretic would alleviate some of the opiate's affects on bladder function (not being able to contract correctly). And pain medications are intimately involved with SNS/PNS functions along with the CNS. Without activation of the cranial nerves, many neurological functions cannot happen; especially those adrenal secretions you mentioned with the catecholamines. And the SNS is directly responsible for countering the body's perceived stress and tension due to pain. The body works as a system. And just fyi, opiates lower heart rates; they don't cause tachycardias aside from extreme cases of abuse. A stress test with an EKG is a common way to diagnose heart failure, as is an ECG. Now I don't claim to have a medical background, but you seemed to throw a lot of posts together here in a haste. Perhaps what the other poster was doing was trying to get some history and suggest the best course of action is to have the young woman bring her most glaring issues to her PCP's attention: high bp and a very high pulse. But can we all agree that delving into medicine on public forums is a bad idea? And ripping apart someone who did more research than you did into an underlying condition and then deeming that to be of utmost importance while have tangible recommendations of specialists in her area to look into the possibilities seems like a fair proposal assuming that the patient can now go in with a few example conditions and kind of force her PCP to pay attention.

windchymes -> RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? (2/9/2014 8:49:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Diore But can we all agree that delving into medicine on public forums is a bad idea? Absolutely. Not only because it's illegal and unethical, but you only hear one side of the story, and that is the patient/OP's INTERPRETATION of what is wrong with him or her. If you talked to his/her physician and other medical professionals involved in their case, you might hear a completely different diagnosis, prognosis, treatment plan, patient compliance assessment, etc. I'm NOT saying this is specific to the OP's case here and I am NOT attacking the OP, I'm speaking generally based on experience. It's VERY common to hear "the surgeon messed up my back". But follow-up usually shows that the surgeon did just fine and the operation is considered a success, but the patient hasn't been compliant with regaining his/her physical activity and activities of daily living, or ADL's. They may even have compassionate caretakers who mean well and wait on them hand and foot, but the patient stays inactive, the muscles stay tight and even develop spasms and the inflammation increases, scar tissue and/or adhesions may even develop. OR, they tried to do too much too soon and caused further stress or injury to the tissues involved. Just because you're feeling pain doesn't mean you're being harmed, there's a difference. Pain and discomfort is part of the healing process and must be worked through, you can't depend on meds, even if it feels "unbearable". I do offer suggestions in medical threads but I stick to those areas in which I have education, schooling, training, and direct personal experience. And I never say exactly what someone "should" do, I always encourage them to follow their doctor's advice. If I didn't state it directly, I either hoped it was implied or it was an unintentional oversight. I know people have good intentions, but some of the advanced and uncommon medical diagnoses I see offered up in many threads make me cringe, lol.

LafayetteLady -> RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? (2/9/2014 12:53:49 PM)
I frequently say what an OP "should" do. Of course, that consists of telling them they "should bring "xyz" to the attentionof their current doctor, or "should" seek a different doctor.[:D]

dollparts85 -> RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? (2/9/2014 7:41:00 PM)
I've done everything the doctor told me to do...I wore my back brace for 6 weeks post op...I've been trying to be as active as I can. I cook and clean everyday. Small things but it's not like I just sit around and do nothing all the time. I push myself as hard as I can every single day and try to do as much as I can.

angelikaJ -> RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? (2/9/2014 8:10:12 PM)
What does the physical therapist say?

dollparts85 -> RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? (2/9/2014 11:37:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: angelikaJ What does the physical therapist say? I start Tuesday. Took a bit to get the prior authorization. But we're doing pool therapy...they think that's best this time. I've done PT twice before. But I'm going to apply for a membership at the YMCA so I can continue after the 8 sessions. Hoping the YMCA here has the machine I liked at the YMCA where I was living. It's good cardio and easy on my joints. As easy as exercise will be on my joints, at least. I was doing it a lot before surgery...tried a few times after but was only able to manage a few minutes before the pain got too severe...and then we moved and I've had lots of stuff to do around the house unpacking and stuff.

angelikaJ -> RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? (2/10/2014 4:38:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dollparts85 quote: ORIGINAL: angelikaJ What does the physical therapist say? I start Tuesday. Took a bit to get the prior authorization. But we're doing pool therapy...they think that's best this time. I've done PT twice before. But I'm going to apply for a membership at the YMCA so I can continue after the 8 sessions. Hoping the YMCA here has the machine I liked at the YMCA where I was living. It's good cardio and easy on my joints. As easy as exercise will be on my joints, at least. I was doing it a lot before surgery...tried a few times after but was only able to manage a few minutes before the pain got too severe...and then we moved and I've had lots of stuff to do around the house unpacking and stuff. I realise you moved, but were you able to discuss your pain levels with the surgeon?

dollparts85 -> RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? (2/10/2014 5:19:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: angelikaJ quote: ORIGINAL: dollparts85 quote: ORIGINAL: angelikaJ What does the physical therapist say? I start Tuesday. Took a bit to get the prior authorization. But we're doing pool therapy...they think that's best this time. I've done PT twice before. But I'm going to apply for a membership at the YMCA so I can continue after the 8 sessions. Hoping the YMCA here has the machine I liked at the YMCA where I was living. It's good cardio and easy on my joints. As easy as exercise will be on my joints, at least. I was doing it a lot before surgery...tried a few times after but was only able to manage a few minutes before the pain got too severe...and then we moved and I've had lots of stuff to do around the house unpacking and stuff. I realise you moved, but were you able to discuss your pain levels with the surgeon? He left the office a few weeks after my surgery. I only saw him once post op and that was a week after my surgery to remove the stitches. Then they transferred me to another doctor who hadn't even heard of the surgery before and only spent two minutes with me and said he would do injections in my SI joints and see if that helped the pain at all (the surgery was in my facet joints not my SI joints) so then I waited over a month for them to get the prior auth for that procedure and they still hadn't...and then it was time to move. And then it took forever just to get in for the first appointment with my new PCP let alone referrals. I hate this. :(

dollparts85 -> RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? (2/10/2014 8:48:29 AM)
FINALLY got a response from the pain clinic and the NP I saw is having me see the MD to go over my MRI. Appointment is next Tuesday. Hopefully he will be able to tell me what is wrong and how I can fix it.

LadyConstanze -> RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? (2/10/2014 9:32:01 AM)
This might sound really really disgusting, but have you considered medical leeches? I treated the severe arthritis of my dog with it (it's an approved method for human arthritis) and after seeing how pain free she was, thought "Why not try it on my back?" Can't do it on your own, it's fiddly and yeah, takes some getting used to, but it helps a lot for backpain, I had shots before (which worried me as they contain morphine), quite good results with acupuncture but that never lasted very long. I regularly fly long distances (UK to the West Coast of the US), so that's 18 hours flight and ages lugging luggage through airports, etc. I usually have the leeches applied 2 days before I fly (to give it a chance to scab up, wouldn't want to freak out the nice people at the border) and I'm pain free to bearable pain for something between 3 to 5 months. I had a few accidents with injuries to the spine, and did a lot of things in my misspent use that aren't really fantastic for disks, hence a few herniated ones. You really do need medical leeches for it, not just jumping into any leech infested swamp, that are bred under almost sterile conditions and have never ever fed on anybody else, as that would be very risky. You can't use it if you're on blood thinners or have clotting problems, so definitely check that with your doctor before. If the idea doesn't gross you out completely, you might find that it gives you great pain relief.

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