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LadyConstanze -> RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? (2/12/2014 1:29:04 PM)

Sounds a bit weird, there is a lot of info out there and who in their right mind would believe any odd information? Doesn't the doc think his patients are smart enough to distinguish from odd person on the internet and somebody who's looking at medical sites? If known universities look into a method, it's a bit different than just "odd person on the internet claims".

When I heard about the leeches, I went google-fu and found a couple of pretty good medical universities who mentioned their pain killing and arthritis stopping qualities, since we started with them, it seems to become even more accepted, apart from the fact that it was pretty low on risk, a shot glass of blood is not killing a fully grown Doberman nor me. It came down to "how much does it hurt, how much do I want to stop it - guess got to get over the ick factor and woman-up"




LafayetteLady -> RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? (2/12/2014 3:05:55 PM)

Wanting answers about surgery is NOT excessively worrying about stupid shit. Listening to people who don't encourage you to get a second opinion or check out a doctors credentials IS stupid. If I were you I would seriously reconsider whether these people should be in my life at all. At the very least, I would ignore any advice they gave me.

You are supposedly an adult. Regardless of what these people advised you, if you lacked enough sense to even find out if he was a surgeon, I don't know what to tell you.

Any doctor who tells you NOT to research something is a doctor you should not continue to see for treatment.




dollparts85 -> RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? (2/12/2014 7:58:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

Wanting answers about surgery is NOT excessively worrying about stupid shit. Listening to people who don't encourage you to get a second opinion or check out a doctors credentials IS stupid. If I were you I would seriously reconsider whether these people should be in my life at all. At the very least, I would ignore any advice they gave me.

You are supposedly an adult. Regardless of what these people advised you, if you lacked enough sense to even find out if he was a surgeon, I don't know what to tell you.

Any doctor who tells you NOT to research something is a doctor you should not continue to see for treatment.

I didn't know much about back stuff back then...I didn't know that only certain types of doctors normally do surgery. I had always assumed that back surgery would never be an option for me b/c of my weight so I was surprised when he brought it up.




LafayetteLady -> RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? (2/12/2014 10:06:18 PM)

It isn't a matter of knowing about "back stuff." Its a matter of using some common sense. You ask questions, get a second opinion, do some research.

Is there a lot of false crap on the internet? Of course. But like LC said, there is a difference between a blog by "the back ache guy," and information posted by The Mayo Clinic.

Someone says they want to slice you open, you get a second opinion, do research, ask a shit load of questiosn.

Your first instinct regarding surgery and your weight wasn't "silly excessive worry." It makes complete sense. You know you are seriously overweight. And it seems you realize that your weight is an issue with back surgery. I'm not trying to be mean, here, I'm really not. But with your weight issues, you continue to put strain on your back regardless of the surgery.

If what you are saying is true and this surgery was less than two years ago, you should contact an attorney. Not the class action attorneys, but a malpractice attorney. This doctor may have done permanent damage. If for no other reason than to make sure he doesn't hurt someone else, get legal advice.




dollparts85 -> RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? (2/13/2014 10:32:08 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

It isn't a matter of knowing about "back stuff." Its a matter of using some common sense. You ask questions, get a second opinion, do some research.

Is there a lot of false crap on the internet? Of course. But like LC said, there is a difference between a blog by "the back ache guy," and information posted by The Mayo Clinic.

Someone says they want to slice you open, you get a second opinion, do research, ask a shit load of questiosn.

Your first instinct regarding surgery and your weight wasn't "silly excessive worry." It makes complete sense. You know you are seriously overweight. And it seems you realize that your weight is an issue with back surgery. I'm not trying to be mean, here, I'm really not. But with your weight issues, you continue to put strain on your back regardless of the surgery.

If what you are saying is true and this surgery was less than two years ago, you should contact an attorney. Not the class action attorneys, but a malpractice attorney. This doctor may have done permanent damage. If for no other reason than to make sure he doesn't hurt someone else, get legal advice.

The surgery was back in Sept.

There really isn't a lot of information out there about the surgery...the only things on google are the official website and then like forum posts and such. Nothing from the mayo clinic. My new pain clinic NP I saw had never even heard of it and she had to google it and watched a video there in the office with me from the official site. There are only like 600 doctors out there trained to do the surgery...and I guess they're all regular pain clinic doctors.




angelikaJ -> RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? (2/15/2014 6:38:28 AM)

angelikaJ
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http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4638603

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ORIGINAL: dollparts85


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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

You do realize that eating only once a day is unhealthy, right? And just because you vomit doesn't mean whatever calories were in what you ate weren't absorbed by your body.

Regardless of what you allege is your metabolic rate, if all you are eating is ONE servind of yogurt or cottage chees or protein shake A DAY, you would be suffering from malnourishment and be quite ill since the first two have less than 300 calories per serving.

It doesn't matter what your metabolic rate is, the human body requires more than 300 calories a day. Of course, since you claim to burn only 500 a day and also claim that you are consuming less than 300 a day, you would be burning 200 just sitting stil. With exercise, even a slow metabolism is going to burn calories.

Nice try though.

I know I don't get everything up but I get most up. I usually rinse a couple times unless I'm seeing stars really bad. I'm really afraid of passing out while purging now since Master will find me and I don't like to worry him. He knows I'm doing it and everything...and that worries him but I don't want to make him worry more. And I know it's unhealthy and I know it's going to kill me eventually. But that's okay. Better than gaining and dying from being fat. And I'm not at my highest weight right now...have been slowly losing for a long time now. Highest weight was 375 and I'm 339 right now (but that's mostly water weight loss...I had really bad edema at 375) Most people don't realize how little the human body actually needs to survive. Or how long you can actually live with no food at all. As long as I drink lots of water, my kidneys stay kinda happy. My GI track is fucked though and there is no healing that at this point. I suspect that is what will kill me...



So you are bulimic?

So why not go into an actual eating disorders clinic.
There are healthy ways to lose weight.
This isn't it.

You need to get honest with your doctor.
And get help.
Because it need not kill you.
Your distorted thinking may, but bodies have remarkable abilities to heal when they aren't being abused.

How do you expect your body to be able to heal itself after surgery or during PT if you aren't getting the nutrition you need.

Your eating disorder probably had a lot to do with your poor surgical outcome.
Even wearing a brace, vomiting everyday probably wasn't good for your healing back.

Again, get honest with your doctor.
And get help.




dollparts85 -> RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? (2/15/2014 7:07:15 AM)


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ORIGINAL: angelikaJ

angelikaJ
response to this post; moved to this thread to avoid further hijacking someone else's thread:
http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4638603

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ORIGINAL: dollparts85


quote:

ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

You do realize that eating only once a day is unhealthy, right? And just because you vomit doesn't mean whatever calories were in what you ate weren't absorbed by your body.

Regardless of what you allege is your metabolic rate, if all you are eating is ONE servind of yogurt or cottage chees or protein shake A DAY, you would be suffering from malnourishment and be quite ill since the first two have less than 300 calories per serving.

It doesn't matter what your metabolic rate is, the human body requires more than 300 calories a day. Of course, since you claim to burn only 500 a day and also claim that you are consuming less than 300 a day, you would be burning 200 just sitting stil. With exercise, even a slow metabolism is going to burn calories.

Nice try though.

I know I don't get everything up but I get most up. I usually rinse a couple times unless I'm seeing stars really bad. I'm really afraid of passing out while purging now since Master will find me and I don't like to worry him. He knows I'm doing it and everything...and that worries him but I don't want to make him worry more. And I know it's unhealthy and I know it's going to kill me eventually. But that's okay. Better than gaining and dying from being fat. And I'm not at my highest weight right now...have been slowly losing for a long time now. Highest weight was 375 and I'm 339 right now (but that's mostly water weight loss...I had really bad edema at 375) Most people don't realize how little the human body actually needs to survive. Or how long you can actually live with no food at all. As long as I drink lots of water, my kidneys stay kinda happy. My GI track is fucked though and there is no healing that at this point. I suspect that is what will kill me...



So you are bulimic?

So why not go into an actual eating disorders clinic.
There are healthy ways to lose weight.
This isn't it.

You need to get honest with your doctor.
And get help.
Because it need not kill you.
Your distorted thinking may, but bodies have remarkable abilities to heal when they aren't being abused.

How do you expect your body to be able to heal itself after surgery or during PT if you aren't getting the nutrition you need.

Your eating disorder probably had a lot to do with your poor surgical outcome.
Even wearing a brace, vomiting everyday probably wasn't good for your healing back.

Again, get honest with your doctor.
And get help.


I did treatment for several years. Inpatient and outpatient. Didn't help. There is nothing they could tell me in treatment now that I don't already know so it's pointless to waste their time.




angelikaJ -> RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? (2/15/2014 7:41:19 AM)


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ORIGINAL: dollparts85


quote:

ORIGINAL: angelikaJ

angelikaJ
response to this post; moved to this thread to avoid further hijacking someone else's thread:
http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4638603

quote:

ORIGINAL: dollparts85


quote:

ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

You do realize that eating only once a day is unhealthy, right? And just because you vomit doesn't mean whatever calories were in what you ate weren't absorbed by your body.

Regardless of what you allege is your metabolic rate, if all you are eating is ONE servind of yogurt or cottage chees or protein shake A DAY, you would be suffering from malnourishment and be quite ill since the first two have less than 300 calories per serving.

It doesn't matter what your metabolic rate is, the human body requires more than 300 calories a day. Of course, since you claim to burn only 500 a day and also claim that you are consuming less than 300 a day, you would be burning 200 just sitting stil. With exercise, even a slow metabolism is going to burn calories.

Nice try though.

I know I don't get everything up but I get most up. I usually rinse a couple times unless I'm seeing stars really bad. I'm really afraid of passing out while purging now since Master will find me and I don't like to worry him. He knows I'm doing it and everything...and that worries him but I don't want to make him worry more. And I know it's unhealthy and I know it's going to kill me eventually. But that's okay. Better than gaining and dying from being fat. And I'm not at my highest weight right now...have been slowly losing for a long time now. Highest weight was 375 and I'm 339 right now (but that's mostly water weight loss...I had really bad edema at 375) Most people don't realize how little the human body actually needs to survive. Or how long you can actually live with no food at all. As long as I drink lots of water, my kidneys stay kinda happy. My GI track is fucked though and there is no healing that at this point. I suspect that is what will kill me...



So you are bulimic?

So why not go into an actual eating disorders clinic.
There are healthy ways to lose weight.
This isn't it.

You need to get honest with your doctor.
And get help.
Because it need not kill you.
Your distorted thinking may, but bodies have remarkable abilities to heal when they aren't being abused.

How do you expect your body to be able to heal itself after surgery or during PT if you aren't getting the nutrition you need.

Your eating disorder probably had a lot to do with your poor surgical outcome.
Even wearing a brace, vomiting everyday probably wasn't good for your healing back.

Again, get honest with your doctor.
And get help.


I did treatment for several years. Inpatient and outpatient. Didn't help. There is nothing they could tell me in treatment now that I don't already know so it's pointless to waste their time.



You are a different person now.

And believe it or not, there are new treatment methods, from just the last year or so.

Your eating disorder is not helping your back or your pain levels.





kalikshama -> RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? (2/15/2014 8:43:32 AM)

So as not to continue the hijack on LL's thread, reposting here:

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I really like myfitnesspal.


As do I, which we've discussed on another thread.

When I use myfitnesspal faithfully, and stay under my allotted fat grams, I lose a pound per week, which is disappointing at first, but adds up over time.

When I run the Net Calories Report, I see I am consuming about 1,500 calories per day - what does your report show you?




LadyConstanze -> RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? (2/15/2014 9:05:24 AM)


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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

So as not to continue the hijack on LL's thread, reposting here:

quote:

I really like myfitnesspal.


As do I, which we've discussed on another thread.

When I use myfitnesspal faithfully, and stay under my allotted fat grams, I lose a pound per week, which is disappointing at first, but adds up over time.

When I run the Net Calories Report, I see I am consuming about 1,500 calories per day - what does your report show you?


One of the most astonishing things I learned was that you actually do have to consume calories and not cut back a lot, in order to increase your metabolism.

It also helps that if you have the protocols of what you ate, how much exercise you did/burned and you print them out and show them to your doc, you can go "Look, I have been burning 500 to 800 calories more every day than I need/consume for the past 2 months, yet those 10 lbs won't come off, can we do another thyroid check?" Because if you don't have the documentation, they often try to fob you off with "Oh but you might not exercising enough, you possibly do eat more than you are aware of" or the ever popular "Your BMI is actually on the lower end of the scale, nothing to worry about!"

It's annoying but if you are armed with facts, they simply can't brush you off that easily




kalikshama -> RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? (2/15/2014 9:11:55 AM)

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One of the most astonishing things I learned was that you actually do have to consume calories and not cut back a lot, in order to increase your metabolism.

Ya, I hear the trainers on Biggest Loser say that all the time - "make sure you're getting your calories."

quote:

It also helps that if you have the protocols of what you ate, how much exercise you did/burned and you print them out and show them to your doc, you can go "Look, I have been burning 500 to 800 calories more every day than I need/consume for the past 2 months, yet those 10 lbs won't come off, can we do another thyroid check?" Because if you don't have the documentation, they often try to fob you off with "Oh but you might not exercising enough, you possibly do eat more than you are aware of" or the ever popular "Your BMI is actually on the lower end of the scale, nothing to worry about!"

It's annoying but if you are armed with facts, they simply can't brush you off that easily

Yes, the better prepared I am for a doctor's visit, the better it goes.




kalikshama -> RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? (2/15/2014 9:15:14 AM)

All calories are not created equal / which diet works?

One of the challenges of arguing that hyperprocessed carbohydrates are largely responsible for the obesity pandemic (“epidemic” is no longer a strong enough word, say many experts) is the notion that “a calorie is a calorie.”

Accept that, and you buy into the contention that consuming 100 calories’ worth of sugar water (like Coke or Gatorade), white bread or French fries is the same as eating 100 calories of broccoli or beans. And Big Food — which has little interest in selling broccoli or beans — would have you believe that if you expend enough energy to work off those 100 calories, it simply doesn’t matter.

There’s an increasing body of evidence, however, that calories from highly processed carbohydrates like white flour (and of course sugar) provide calories that the body treats differently, spiking both blood sugar and insulin and causing us to retain fat instead of burning it off.

In other words, all calories are not alike.

Read more: http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/26/which-diet-works/?_php=true&_type=blogs&ref=opinion&_r=0





LadyConstanze -> RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? (2/15/2014 9:21:49 AM)

Hell no, we make almost everything from scratch, doesn't take that much longer but you're getting so much more taste.

Some foods can actually actively slow down your metabolism.

One of my biggest pet peeves is artificial sweeteners, the damage you do to your body is just amazing, have a glass of water and you're doing your body some good, don't have half a gallon of freaking chemicals




kalikshama -> RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? (2/15/2014 9:24:39 AM)

Yup, I make most everything from scratch too.

A meal of chicken, brown rice, and broccoli makes me feel very differently afterwards than pasta with a heavy sauce. I do indulge from time to time, but use myfitnesspal to save up calories earlier in the day.

When I worked in an office, I did big batches of cooking on the weekend and froze stuff to eat later.




LadyConstanze -> RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? (2/15/2014 9:35:52 AM)

I recently campaigned for a separate big freezer unit in the garage for the pets, as I figured feeding them dry food or canned food is the equivalent of feeding children McD or some other type of fast food on a daily basis. One of our cats and the boy dog had severe allergy issues and we went from specialist to specialist, nothing helped, changing their food to just meat, some rice and a bit of veg (for the dogs) and just meat for the cats, the allergies have disappeared and their coats are super shiny.

I don't like meat, but hubby isn't quite ready to be fully vegetarian, so I usually bulk up his meat dishes with those tiny yellow and orange lentils, adds a lot of taste and he lost about 10 kilos without fasting or calorie counting and feels so much better.

Whenever I hear people complain that they don't have time, that's why they buy tinned, I wonder, because leaving dried beans to soak overnight isn't really that much work, boiling up rice, well it boils itself, in the meantime I can vacuum or fill the washing machine up, fold washing, etc.

Like you, I make big batches of things and freeze them in, a lot of it can be used for different dishes, instead of using some artificial thickener for sauce or flour, mashed potato or those Indian lentils that dissolve. It really isn't rocket science, I rather abuse my body by treating myself to a nice glass of wine on the weekend, than chemicals throughout the week.




graceadieu -> RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? (2/15/2014 1:32:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

Accept that, and you buy into the contention that consuming 100 calories’ worth of sugar water (like Coke or Gatorade), white bread or French fries is the same as eating 100 calories of broccoli or beans...There’s an increasing body of evidence, however, that calories from highly processed carbohydrates like white flour (and of course sugar) provide calories that the body treats differently, spiking both blood sugar and insulin and causing us to retain fat instead of burning it off.



That's interesting! And even if 100 calories is 100 calories, if you try to lose weight eating 1500 calories worth of soda and french fries and donuts, you're probably going to be hungry all the time and won't be able to maintain it. 100 calories of veggies just gets you both a larger volume of food and a lot more fiber than 100 calories of french fries, which fills you up more and keeps you full longer.




dollparts85 -> RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? (2/15/2014 1:52:22 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

I recently campaigned for a separate big freezer unit in the garage for the pets, as I figured feeding them dry food or canned food is the equivalent of feeding children McD or some other type of fast food on a daily basis. One of our cats and the boy dog had severe allergy issues and we went from specialist to specialist, nothing helped, changing their food to just meat, some rice and a bit of veg (for the dogs) and just meat for the cats, the allergies have disappeared and their coats are super shiny.

I don't like meat, but hubby isn't quite ready to be fully vegetarian, so I usually bulk up his meat dishes with those tiny yellow and orange lentils, adds a lot of taste and he lost about 10 kilos without fasting or calorie counting and feels so much better.

Whenever I hear people complain that they don't have time, that's why they buy tinned, I wonder, because leaving dried beans to soak overnight isn't really that much work, boiling up rice, well it boils itself, in the meantime I can vacuum or fill the washing machine up, fold washing, etc.

Like you, I make big batches of things and freeze them in, a lot of it can be used for different dishes, instead of using some artificial thickener for sauce or flour, mashed potato or those Indian lentils that dissolve. It really isn't rocket science, I rather abuse my body by treating myself to a nice glass of wine on the weekend, than chemicals throughout the week.

I'd like to get a kitty one day and if I do, I want to make my own food for it. The stuff they sell in stores is awful for cats.

I have two rabbits right now so that isn't really much of an issue. They do get pellets...but I get top quality stuff and my baby will be being reduce to 1/4 cup a day soon. (she's almost 6 months old...first 6 months they need unlimited pellets.) but my old man already gets 1/4 cup a day and he never finishes them lol they mostly eat hay and fresh greens.




dollparts85 -> RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? (2/15/2014 1:55:33 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

Hell no, we make almost everything from scratch, doesn't take that much longer but you're getting so much more taste.

Some foods can actually actively slow down your metabolism.

One of my biggest pet peeves is artificial sweeteners, the damage you do to your body is just amazing, have a glass of water and you're doing your body some good, don't have half a gallon of freaking chemicals

I used to eat only everything lowest calorie version available...until about maybe...3 years ago...when I finally realized how bad artificial sweeteners are. But growing up...probably starting around 7-8 years old... I started eating only sugar free, fat free, light...whatever...which ever version was the lowest calorie. God only knows what that has done to my body.




LafayetteLady -> RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? (2/16/2014 9:16:15 AM)

Obviously, since you are still bulemic, you still have something to learn by going to treatment.

You have chosen to do things you have to hide from those closest to you, you know how deadly your behavior is, and yet you have no intention of stopping. Even though it isn't doing you any good.

You need serious mental health help. Inpatient so that you can't throw up everything you eat. You recognize this is going to kill you, so basically you are committing slow suicide. That's a mental health issue.




angelikaJ -> RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? (2/16/2014 9:27:18 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: dollparts85


quote:

ORIGINAL: angelikaJ

angelikaJ
response to this post; moved to this thread to avoid further hijacking someone else's thread:
http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4638603

quote:

ORIGINAL: dollparts85


quote:

ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

You do realize that eating only once a day is unhealthy, right? And just because you vomit doesn't mean whatever calories were in what you ate weren't absorbed by your body.

Regardless of what you allege is your metabolic rate, if all you are eating is ONE servind of yogurt or cottage chees or protein shake A DAY, you would be suffering from malnourishment and be quite ill since the first two have less than 300 calories per serving.

It doesn't matter what your metabolic rate is, the human body requires more than 300 calories a day. Of course, since you claim to burn only 500 a day and also claim that you are consuming less than 300 a day, you would be burning 200 just sitting stil. With exercise, even a slow metabolism is going to burn calories.

Nice try though.

I know I don't get everything up but I get most up. I usually rinse a couple times unless I'm seeing stars really bad. I'm really afraid of passing out while purging now since Master will find me and I don't like to worry him. He knows I'm doing it and everything...and that worries him but I don't want to make him worry more. And I know it's unhealthy and I know it's going to kill me eventually. But that's okay. Better than gaining and dying from being fat. And I'm not at my highest weight right now...have been slowly losing for a long time now. Highest weight was 375 and I'm 339 right now (but that's mostly water weight loss...I had really bad edema at 375) Most people don't realize how little the human body actually needs to survive. Or how long you can actually live with no food at all. As long as I drink lots of water, my kidneys stay kinda happy. My GI track is fucked though and there is no healing that at this point. I suspect that is what will kill me...



So you are bulimic?

So why not go into an actual eating disorders clinic.
There are healthy ways to lose weight.
This isn't it.

You need to get honest with your doctor.
And get help.
Because it need not kill you.
Your distorted thinking may, but bodies have remarkable abilities to heal when they aren't being abused.

How do you expect your body to be able to heal itself after surgery or during PT if you aren't getting the nutrition you need.

Your eating disorder probably had a lot to do with your poor surgical outcome.
Even wearing a brace, vomiting everyday probably wasn't good for your healing back.

Again, get honest with your doctor.
And get help.


I did treatment for several years. Inpatient and outpatient. Didn't help. There is nothing they could tell me in treatment now that I don't already know so it's pointless to waste their time.



It doesn't matter how much you know.
It matters whether what you learned can stick.

Currently it hasn't.
That doesn't mean it won't ever.

You need help.

The secrets you keep: from your doctor and your surgeon (and probably your therapist) have harmed and will continue to harm you.
But you already know that.

It can change but you have to want it to, and from what you have written, you clearly don't seem to have that within you.
Why do you want to destroy yourself?

So instead you have a multitude of mysterious ailments that are in part, caused by your eating disorder.
I knew someone like that.
Turns out she had Munchausen Syndrome and anorexia was a big part of her symptomology.
It killed her.









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