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-=Federal Judge Strikes Down Virginia Gay Marriage Ban=- - 2/14/2014 8:55:16 PM   
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Ian Simpson
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7:31 a.m. CST, February 14, 2014

WASHINGTON— A federal judge struck down Virginia's ban on same-sex marriage as unconstitutional late on Thursday, saying it denied gay couples a fundamental freedom to marry.

The ruling by U.S. District Court Judge Arenda Wright Allen in Norfolk, Virginia, added momentum to growing acceptance of gay marriage in the United States.

Allen said Virginia's constitutional ban on same-sex marriage violated the right to due process and equal protection of the law under the U.S. Constitution. However, she stayed execution of her order striking down the ban pending an appeal to the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals.

"The Court is compelled to conclude that Virginia's Marriage Laws unconstitutionally deny Virginia's gay and lesbian citizens the fundamental freedom to choose to marry," Allen, a judge in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia, wrote in her 41-page opinion.

She ordered submission of a proposed final order by March 14.

The decision in Bostic v. Rainey, in which two gay couples sought to strike down the Virginia ban, follows two high-profile rulings by the U.S. Supreme Court last year.

The high court paved the way for gay marriage to resume in California. It also struck down the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), a federal law that denied federal benefits to legally married same-sex couples.

Federal judges have cited the DOMA ruling in finding gay marriage bans unconstitutional in Utah and Oklahoma.

U.S. PRINCIPLES

Seventeen states plus the District of Columbia recognize gay marriage, including eight states where it became legal in 2013.

Thirty-three ban same-sex couples from marrying by constitutional amendment, statute, or both. In Indiana, a vote by state residents on a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage was delayed by at least two years on Thursday.

The American Foundation for Equal Rights, which brought the Virginia case, said Allen's ruling upheld core U.S. principles of equality.

"Laws excluding gay men and lesbians from marriage violate personal freedom, are an unnecessary government intrusion, and cause serious harm. That type of law cannot stand," lead co-counsel Theodore Olson said in a statement.

Olson was part of the legal team that argued before the U.S. high court for the resumption of same-sex marriage in California.

Also applauding the ruling, Virginia Attorney General Mark Herring said in a statement that it "is the latest step in a journey towards equality for all Virginians, no matter who they are or whom they love."

Herring, a Democrat, said last month he would not defend the state's ban on gay marriage in court.

In 2006, 57 percent of Virginians voted for the constitutional amendment imposing the ban. But a poll released in October by Virginia's Christopher Newport University showed that 56 percent of likely voters opposed the ban, while 36 percent favored it - reflecting the reversal in public opinion.

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RE: -=Federal Judge Strikes Down Virginia Gay Marriage ... - 2/15/2014 9:37:25 AM   
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I read the same thing this AM and some are already calling for her impeachment as if she is legislating from the bench. I guess the high court's ruling that corp. are people and can contribute to candidates (Citizens) isn't an outright legislation from the bench.

..,...or that everybody must be in the militia so everybody can have guns...even the crazy and unbalanced if we don't need to check...hey ?

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RE: -=Federal Judge Strikes Down Virginia Gay Marriage ... - 2/16/2014 12:13:02 AM   
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Well, people who believe in fairies have more rights than actual fairies. It says so in the Constitution. Somewhere near the back...

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RE: -=Federal Judge Strikes Down Virginia Gay Marriage ... - 2/26/2014 8:56:09 PM   
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Today, 2-26-14, "Texas Gay Marriage Ban Ruled Unconstitutional By Federal Judge".

Huffington Post Link

Yuppers, another one bites the dust.

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RE: -=Federal Judge Strikes Down Virginia Gay Marriage ... - 2/26/2014 11:15:11 PM   
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Frank Caliendo had a cute line. "The conservatives have nothing against gay marriage as long as it's the marriage of a gay man and a lesbian woman."

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RE: -=Federal Judge Strikes Down Virginia Gay Marriage ... - 2/27/2014 5:37:15 AM   
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Frank Caliendo had a cute line. "The conservatives have nothing against gay marriage as long as it's the marriage of a gay man and a lesbian woman."



Yea, I guess it's cute, if you can consider a bullshit lie cute. Now while it is true that a lot of conservatives have a problem with gay marriage, so do a lot of liberals. This idea that it is only on one side of the political fence is just another ploy to gain votes by painting one side as evil and hateful.

and as to the OP....this conservative thinks it is great news. I hope more states follow suit soon.

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RE: -=Federal Judge Strikes Down Virginia Gay Marriage ... - 2/27/2014 8:36:30 AM   
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Frank Caliendo had a cute line. "The conservatives have nothing against gay marriage as long as it's the marriage of a gay man and a lesbian woman."

LOL! Hole in one.

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RE: -=Federal Judge Strikes Down Virginia Gay Marriage ... - 2/27/2014 8:59:47 AM   
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Now while it is true that a lot of conservatives have a problem with gay marriage, so do a lot of liberals.

This makes it sound as if both "sides" have responded equally to gay marriage, which is far from accurate. Was it liberals leading the charge to amend state constitutions to forbid same-sex unions or spurring legislatures to update Jim Crow laws on the basis of sexual orientation?

Language from the two parties' 2012 platforms is also illuminating.


DEMOCRATIC PLATFORM

Freedom to Marry. We support the right of all families to have equal respect, responsibilities, and protections under the law. We support marriage equality and support the movement to secure equal treatment under law for same-sex couples. We also support the freedom of churches and religious entities to decide how to administer marriage as a religious sacrament without government interference.

We oppose discriminatory federal and state constitutional amendments and other attempts to deny equal protection of the laws to committed same-sex couples who seek the same respect and responsibilities as other married couples. We support the full repeal of the so-called Defense of Marriage Act and the passage of the Respect for Marriage Act.



REPUBLICAN PLATFORM

Preserving and Protecting Traditional Marriage
The institution of marriage is the foundation of civil society. Its success as an institution will determine our success as a nation. It has been proven by both experience and endless social science studies that traditional marriage is best for children. Children raised in intact married families are more likely to attend college, are physically and emotionally healthier, are less likely to use drugs or alcohol, engage in crime, or get pregnant outside of marriage. The success of marriage directly impacts the economic well-being of individuals. Furthermore, the future of marriage affects freedom. The lack of family formation not only leads to more government costs, but also to more government control over the lives of its citizens in all aspects. We recognize and honor the courageous efforts of those who bear the many burdens of parenting alone, even as we believe that marriage, the union of one man and one woman must be upheld as the national standard, a goal to stand for, encourage, and promote through laws governing marriage. We embrace the principle that all Americans should be treated with respect and dignity.


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RE: -=Federal Judge Strikes Down Virginia Gay Marriage ... - 2/27/2014 9:19:44 AM   
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If there is any issue that will bring this country to another civil war, it is this one.
We have the courts making ridiculous rulings NOT based on point of law,( i.e. the Supreme Court ruling on Doma) which was merely an opinion.
The constitution provides no protection to homosexuals and lesbians marrying, quite the opposite, the constitution gives the right to make those laws to the states and the fed circumventing the right led to the last civil war and will lead to this one.
I believe that congress has the power to strike down the SC ruling and is in the process of doing just that.
We will see blood in the streets before this is settled to be sure.

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RE: -=Federal Judge Strikes Down Virginia Gay Marriage ... - 2/27/2014 9:47:44 AM   
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civil war over same sex marriage?
what ever you are on I want a pint of it.
while there are a lott of ugly assholes out there who think that same sex marriage is despicable, if they choose to go kill someone over it, they deserve whatever they get
dumb fuckers, there may well be bloodshed, but it wont be libs or same sex couples who start it.
Your constitution doesnt provide discrimination for the LGBT people either.
congress cant pass anything but cuts, what makes you think they will touch this


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RE: -=Federal Judge Strikes Down Virginia Gay Marriage ... - 2/27/2014 9:48:42 AM   
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The last time the issue came up in this area it was the Detroit churches spurring the charge to stop those evil fags from ruining marriage. Some of the signs were scary considering they were sitting in from of what was supposed to be a "house of God". Considering how liberal Detroit is I would say it was a good indication of how the folks there felt about gays getting hitched. Now I am not stupid enough to believe that means all liberals hate gays, if you want that kind of logic I suggest you try someone else. But I am also not stupid enough to buy that it only happens on the right as some here seem to imply.

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RE: -=Federal Judge Strikes Down Virginia Gay Marriage ... - 2/27/2014 10:13:07 AM   
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civil war over same sex marriage?
what ever you are on I want a pint of it.
while there are a lott of ugly assholes out there who think that same sex marriage is despicable, if they choose to go kill someone over it, they deserve whatever they get
dumb fuckers, there may well be bloodshed, but it wont be libs or same sex couples who start it.
Your constitution doesnt provide discrimination for the LGBT people either.
congress cant pass anything but cuts, what makes you think they will touch this



Your mouth alone could start a civil war.

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RE: -=Federal Judge Strikes Down Virginia Gay Marriage ... - 2/27/2014 10:16:30 AM   
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oh Im sorry have I offended you?? heres a quarter, find someone who gives a flying shit
Please put me on fucking hide.


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RE: -=Federal Judge Strikes Down Virginia Gay Marriage ... - 2/27/2014 10:23:51 AM   
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The 1964 Civil Rights Act protects people from discrimination based on sex. If denying marriage to someone simply because of what sex they are doesn't qualify as discrimination based on sex, I don't know what could. It will take a few more years before some of these cases reaches the Supreme Court, but I have no doubt that when one does, same sex marriage will be legal in all fifty states.

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RE: -=Federal Judge Strikes Down Virginia Gay Marriage ... - 2/27/2014 10:42:47 AM   
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That is indeed my view on it too Des, heres hoping that its sooner rather than later.

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RE: -=Federal Judge Strikes Down Virginia Gay Marriage ... - 2/27/2014 10:57:38 AM   
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What I find strange/weird is that a state is able to make and pass laws that override/modify/repeal/ignore a federal law.
Then, when certain people don't like it, it gets kicked into another courtroom.
After that, it's a case of kicking the can up and down the road ad-infinitum.
One minute it's legal, next minute it ain't.
Then it's legal in one state but not another.

What kind of fucked-up stupid legal shit is that??

I can understand a shooting match between the legal-eagles and the churches.
But c'mon you guys.... get yer friggin' act together!!

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RE: -=Federal Judge Strikes Down Virginia Gay Marriage ... - 2/27/2014 11:04:40 AM   
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What I find strange/weird is that a state is able to make and pass laws that override/modify/repeal/ignore a federal law.
Then, when certain people don't like it, it gets kicked into another courtroom.
After that, it's a case of kicking the can up and down the road ad-infinitum.
One minute it's legal, next minute it ain't.
Then it's legal in one state but not another.

What kind of fucked-up stupid legal shit is that??

I can understand a shooting match between the legal-eagles and the churches.
But c'mon you guys.... get yer friggin' act together!!



Our system doesn't (isn't supposed to) work from the top down.

The constitution says that anything not specifically covered in the constitution is reserved to the states or individuals, themselves.

For this reason, states can pass laws (that only affect their state) which might later be interpreted by the Supreme Court to violate the federal constitution.

There's really almost no federal law that affects people as far as day-to-day kind of stuff (except on Native American Reservations).

There's no federal law against murder. There's no federal definition of "marriage" and that's where we come back round to this topic.

The federal government has never defined it and has never passed a law about it. States can do as they wish until or unless the SCOTUS rips 'em a new asshole.





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RE: -=Federal Judge Strikes Down Virginia Gay Marriage ... - 2/27/2014 11:10:48 AM   
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Our system doesn't (isn't supposed to) work from the top down.

And that's where most of your problems seem to stem from.

It's a bit like an ants nest or a wasp hive - fine while it's undisturbed.
But the minute something crops up that needs attention - all hell breaks loose!

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RE: -=Federal Judge Strikes Down Virginia Gay Marriage ... - 2/27/2014 11:14:26 AM   
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RE: -=Federal Judge Strikes Down Virginia Gay Marriage ... - 2/27/2014 11:16:58 AM   
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Our system doesn't (isn't supposed to) work from the top down.

And that's where most of your problems seem to stem from.

It's a bit like an ants nest or a wasp hive - fine while it's undisturbed.
But the minute something crops up that needs attention - all hell breaks loose!



I guess that's one way to look at it. I find the British/European model of the monarchy/elected monarchy at the top shoving shit down the hill and handling every little detail of peoples' lives, from cradle-to-grave to be odious.





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