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RE: -=Federal Judge Strikes Down Virginia Gay Marriage ... - 7/9/2014 5:03:43 PM   
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The trouble is you define all the issues and the parameters and exhibit inflexibility in posting exchanges.

It's not in your playbook to say -- "good point" or "that's valid but beyond what I was thinking" etc. In the interventionist thread you went on to correct me when I wasn't even posting to you anymore. When I think back on it, I think it PARTICULARLY ODD to reduce one's answer to the Navy and Commerce when asked about the cost benefit of US interventions abroad. Yes, you are allowed to make a narrow point, which you asserted as bald fact, but you'd be better to let others expand on the answers to the question or invite challenges to think beyond your own narrow replies.

Your information regarding doctors and frivolous lawsuits was simply BAD INFORMATION. I never expected to see ignorant posting from you. Once you were totally impeached you simply copped a queer attitude.

An advanced poster would simply say, "I stand corrected."

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RE: -=Federal Judge Strikes Down Virginia Gay Marriage ... - 7/9/2014 5:14:29 PM   
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See, if you were British, like me, you could get things wrong, and *still* somehow come out of it looking vaguely, indefinably, but still very tangibly, more knowledgeable and sophisticated than everyone else. It's an art. ;-)

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RE: -=Federal Judge Strikes Down Virginia Gay Marriage ... - 7/9/2014 6:31:58 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

He can't be reached, give it up.

Sometimes that's all you can do....

Missionary work is frustrating in a day and age when so few people take the Word of Ken seriously anymore.

K.




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RE: -=Federal Judge Strikes Down Virginia Gay Marriage ... - 7/9/2014 7:46:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: cloudboy
The trouble is you define all the issues and the parameters and exhibit inflexibility in posting exchanges.


I'm of the impression that disagreeing with other people about what they are thinking is what's causing the trouble.

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RE: -=Federal Judge Strikes Down Virginia Gay Marriage ... - 7/9/2014 7:51:21 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: cloudboy

The trouble is you define all the issues and the parameters and exhibit inflexibility in posting exchanges.

It's not in your playbook to say -- "good point" or "that's valid but beyond what I was thinking" etc.

Your information regarding doctors and frivolous lawsuits was simply BAD INFORMATION.
An advanced poster would simply say, "I stand corrected."


Bullshit. When someone makes a good point, happy to acknowledge it. When someone is full of crap, and instead of coming back with an argument has to make it personal, it's still crap.

1) Doctors in the US pay high malpractice insurance, and that has to be factored into considering their income.

That's the point. Did I go too fast?

YOU come back with this bullshit about touting the horn of tort reform, something I not only never said, but also something on which you have no idea where I stand, and either way, has nothing whatsofucking ever to do with the cost of malpractice insurance paid.

It's not "a good point." It's a change of subject.

So eat more fruit and bran, and learn to read the posts.

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RE: -=Federal Judge Strikes Down Virginia Gay Marriage ... - 7/9/2014 7:52:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GotSteel


quote:

ORIGINAL: cloudboy
The trouble is you define all the issues and the parameters and exhibit inflexibility in posting exchanges.


I'm of the impression that disagreeing with other people about what they are thinking is what's causing the trouble.

That's kind of the point in debates. Check your logic text.

People are going to disagree with you. It's time you learned that about life.

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RE: -=Federal Judge Strikes Down Virginia Gay Marriage ... - 7/10/2014 7:01:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

I'm of the impression that disagreeing with other people about what they are thinking is what's causing the trouble.

It seems to me that disagreeing with people who just make shit up causes most of the trouble.

For some reason, they object to that.

K.


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RE: -=Federal Judge Strikes Down Virginia Gay Marriage ... - 8/22/2014 11:14:56 AM   
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and yet another one bites the dust . . . . my home state Florida: "US judge strikes down Florida gay marriage ban"

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MIAMI (AP) — A federal judge on Thursday declared Florida's ban on same-sex marriage unconstitutional, joining judges across the country who have sided with gay couples wishing to tie the knot.

U.S. District Judge Robert L. Hinkle in Tallahassee ruled that the ban added to Florida's constitution by voters in 2008 violates the 14th Amendment's guarantees of equal protection and due process. Hinkle issued a stay delaying the effect of his order, meaning no marriage licenses will be immediately issued for gay couples. That also means gay couples legally married in other states will not immediately have their marriages recognized in Florida.

Hinkle, an appointee of President Bill Clinton, compared bans on gay marriage to the long-abandoned prohibitions on interracial marriage and predicted both would be viewed by history the same way.

"When observers look back 50 years from now, the arguments supporting Florida's ban on same-sex marriage, though just as sincerely held, will again seem an obvious pretext for discrimination," Hinkle wrote in his ruling. "To paraphrase a civil rights leader from the age when interracial marriage was struck down, the arc of history is long, but it bends toward justice."

Gay rights have long been a contentious issue in Florida, a politically complex swing state where the northern counties tend to lean Republican like their Deep South neighbors and parts of South Florida are reliably Democratic. In the 1970s, singer and orange juice spokeswoman Anita Bryant lobbied to overturn a Dade County ordinance banning discrimination against gays, though the protections were later reinstated.

Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi, a Republican, has appealed previous rulings striking down the ban, which were issued earlier this year in Broward, Miami-Dade, Monroe and Palm Beach counties. Hinkle's ruling allows time for appeals in the federal case. Bondi wants the Florida cases to remain on hold pending a definitive national ruling on gay marriage by the U.S. Supreme Court.

"The U.S. Supreme Court, they need to decide this case, they are going to decide this case, hopefully sooner than later so we will have finality," Bondi said earlier this week. "There are good people on both sides of this issue and we need to have finality for everyone involved."

Gay marriage proponents have won more than 20 legal decisions against state same-sex marriage restrictions since the U.S. Supreme Court invalidated the federal Defense of Marriage Act last year.

On Wednesday, the Supreme Court delayed an appeals court decision that would end Virginia's gay marriage ban and, in January, the justices did the same thing in a same-sex marriage case in Utah. The 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Cincinnati recently heard arguments in six same-sex marriage cases from Michigan, Ohio, Kentucky and Tennessee.

The latest Florida ruling came in a pair of lawsuits brought by gay couples seeking to marry in Florida and others who want to force Florida to recognize gay marriages performed legally in other states. Currently, 19 states and the District of Columbia permit same-sex marriage.

The American Civil Liberties Union of Florida, which represented some of the gay couples, said the tide of rulings makes legal same-sex marriage in Florida appear inevitable.

"We're very pleased to see the ban held unconstitutional in such unequivocal terms so that all Florida families will soon finally have the same protections," said ACLU staff attorney Daniel Tilley.

Hinkle did add one wrinkle in his decision: he said the delay on marriages should have no effect on a proposed change to the death certificate of Carol Goldwasser, who was legally married in New York in 2011 to Arlene Goldberg before Goldwasser died earlier this year.

Goldberg, according to the ruling, has been unable to obtain Social Security survivor benefits because of Florida's refusal to recognize their marriage, which could force her to sell her house. Hinkle said the amended death certificate showing the couple as spouses should be issued by Sept. 22, or 14 days after officials receive all the required information.

"There is no good reason to further deny Ms. Goldberg the simple human dignity of being listed on her spouse's death certificate." Hinkle said in his ruling. "Indeed, the state's refusal to let that happen is a poignant illustration of the controversy that brings us here."

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Associated Press writer Gary Fineout in Tallahassee contributed to this story.



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RE: -=Federal Judge Strikes Down Virginia Gay Marriage ... - 10/12/2014 6:25:07 PM   
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Federal Judge Strikes Down Alaska Gay Marriage Ban
The Huffington Post Posted: 10/12/2014 6:47 pm EDT
A federal judge struck down Alaska’s ban on same-sex marriage Sunday evening.

The U.S. District Court for the District of Alaska ruled that the state's ban was unconstitutional under the Due Process and Equal Protection Clauses of the U.S. Constitution.

U.S. District Judge Timothy M. Burgess wrote that any relationship between the ban and government interests was "either nonexistent or purely speculative."

"Alaska’s same-sex marriage laws are a prime example of how 'the varying treatment of different groups or persons is so unrelated to the achievement of any combination of legitimate purposes that we can only conclude that the legislature’s actions were irrational,'” Burgess wrote, citing an earlier court ruling.

"Refusing the rights and responsibilities afforded by legal marriage sends the public a government-sponsored message that same-sex couples and their familial relationships do not warrant the status, benefits, and dignity given to couples of the opposite sex," the Alaskan court decision continued.



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