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Spiritedsub2 -> RE: tips for losing inches? (3/14/2014 11:58:56 AM)

How strictly do you follow Paleo? Do you put cream or sweetener in coffee? Ever eat any bread or chocolate? Wine?



shiftyw -> RE: tips for losing inches? (3/14/2014 6:20:26 PM)

So...I've been researching Maca- and lots of reviews say it has made them GAIN weight? Is that strange? I just picked some up at the health food store...we'll see.



MistressDarkArt -> RE: tips for losing inches? (3/14/2014 6:40:53 PM)


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ORIGINAL: shiftyw

So...I've been researching Maca- and lots of reviews say it has made them GAIN weight? Is that strange? I just picked some up at the health food store...we'll see.


Shifty, for me, the weight dropped and I had a nice side benefit of seeing some abdominal muscle definition for the first time in a million years. I would say it 'leaned' me down more than huge weight loss.



UllrsIshtar -> RE: tips for losing inches? (3/14/2014 6:43:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Spiritedsub2

How strictly do you follow Paleo? Do you put cream or sweetener in coffee? Ever eat any bread or chocolate? Wine?


I'm experimenting with cream now, and will add dairy back in if I find I can handle it.

Haven't had bread in over 3 months, not planning on every having it again, but I do cheat with gluten free pizza dough and flour occasionally (technically a cheat cause it's usually rice flour, but not nearly as bad), and I've eaten a dozen crispy cream doughnuts in one sitting as a cheat when we were near a location (the closest is about 6 hours away for us).

I eat dark chocolate all the time still, but in moderation.

Overall I'd say I'm about 90% strict on it, though some times 100% for days and then a day where half the stuff I eat is cheating.

I can definitely tell cheat days from non-cheat days though, cause cheating too much causes me to gain weight, and I've found that even a couple cheat meals in a row can bring my chronic pain back, so I'm rather motivated to not cheat that often. [:)]



MistressDarkArt -> RE: tips for losing inches? (3/14/2014 6:50:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Blonderfluff

I just ordered the maca. Thanx!!!
Ok so what do I put it in? Smoothies?


Anything you like! The mild flavor goes with lots of stuff.

Here's the recipe for my breakfast 'shake':

2 C strong coffee (I use decaf)
1/2 C unsweetened soy (or rice/almond/coconut milk...soy has the most protein)
1/4 C sugar-free hazelnut creamer (optional; you can use the equivalent in soymilk instead 'cuz this stuff is loaded with artificial stuff)
1 scoop soy protein powder
1 scoop whey protein powder
1 tsp maca
splash vanilla extract
stevia to taste

Get after it with a stick blender until thick, smooth and frothy. I drink it hot, but it's fine iced too. This is breakfast, and I don't get hungry for hours.

Make substitutions as desired if you don't want to use animal products like whey powder.



Blonderfluff -> RE: tips for losing inches? (3/14/2014 7:01:01 PM)

That's awesome, I should get it tomorrow or Monday.
Can I mix it in fruit and yogurt smoothies ? I have no idea of the flavor. Website said it had a "mild, nutty flavor". True?



MistressDarkArt -> RE: tips for losing inches? (3/14/2014 10:10:46 PM)

^^^To me, it doesn't taste 'nutty', just 'unique'. Using 1 tsp doesn't really add much flavor at all. I think it would be great in fruit/yogurt smoothies!

When it arrives, let me know what you think!



Spiritedsub2 -> RE: tips for losing inches? (3/14/2014 10:48:57 PM)

I started paleo 2 months ago. I definitely feel better and have a more steady energy level through the day. The hardest part of all was quitting diet coke, but quitting that eliminated my sugar addiction; I hadn't expected that. I follow it about 90% of the time, and I've found that not holding my standard to perfect compliance makes the plan seem doable for the long haul. Really happy with it.



FeralFoxy -> RE: tips for losing inches? (3/14/2014 10:52:35 PM)

Even Mark Sisson says you should aim for 80% compliance to the diet, and forgive a few indulgences. Absolutes are rarely the way to go.

Eta: Dairy is a regular part of my diet, and that works for me. Only organic though, and raw when I can get it. I even eat sourdough bread from time to time. One of the main reasons I start on paleo is my gluten sensitivity, which isn't a problem (for me, and many others, but ymmv) with real fermented sourdough.



RareByrd -> RE: tips for losing inches? (3/15/2014 12:58:39 AM)


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ORIGINAL: TheWillToThrive

Carbs at night are not a good idea


In fact, looks like they are a good idea:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/carbs-at-night-fat-loss-killer-or-imaginary-boogeyman.html
http://www.livestrong.com/article/557830-4-reasons-to-eat-more-calories-and-carbs-at-night/






RareByrd -> RE: tips for losing inches? (3/15/2014 1:26:03 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Spiritedsub2

You sound like a friend of mine whose entire approach to weight and fitness is "eat less crap and move".



Weight loss isn't magic.

If Calories in > Calories out, then gain weight.

If Calories in < Calories out, then lose weight.

[sm=ubanana.gif]


I am really ultra-sick of seeing this myth perpetuated. It's easy for effortlessly slender people to go around spouting this, because it plays into what they WANT to believe, so they get to feel virtuous for being slender and wash their hands of having to bother feeling compassion for people who are weight-loss-resistant.

We are finding out so much in recent years through research about how people differ in regards to their body type and the way their bodies process food.

For example, what kind of bacteria you have in your gut plays a large role in how many calories you get out of your food. Fat people tend to have more of a certain type of bacteria, "firmicutes", that is much more efficient at extracting calories from food. A person with a high proportion of firmicutes can eat the same amount and type of food as someone with a low proportion of firmicutes, and GAIN weight where the other person loses or maintains.

And what determines what bacteria you have in your gut? Guess what? A big part of it is simply what your mother passed on to you when you were born!! We are not at a point yet, scientifically, where we can simply decrease firmicutes.

There are a plethora of hormones that regulate how much and where we store fat in our bodies, and if any of them are out of balance, we have trouble losing fat. Again, person A can eat the exact same type and amount of food as person B, but if person A's metabolism is upset from previous dieting, from stress, from thyroid issues, from sleep issues, etc etc etc person A will gain where person B loses.



LadyConstanze -> RE: tips for losing inches? (3/15/2014 4:29:16 AM)

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There are a plethora of hormones that regulate how much and where we store fat in our bodies, and if any of them are out of balance, we have trouble losing fat. Again, person A can eat the exact same type and amount of food as person B, but if person A's metabolism is upset from previous dieting, from stress, from thyroid issues, from sleep issues, etc etc etc person A will gain where person B loses.


A friend of ours needs 8000 calories a day just to not lose any weight, he was always skinny but last year something happened and we all were worried he might have cancer, he got stick thin despite eating lots, countless tests, turned out that he is one of the guys with an ultra fast metabolism, luckily nothing wrong with him, apart from him complaining about his enormous food bill. Nobody knows where the sudden speeding up of his metabolism came from, he spent weeks in the university hospital where they checked him out. What he tends to consume for breakfast, it's about as much as I eat the whole day. We're all joking that if we knew what it is, we could bottle it and be rich.

This whole bullshit about everybody's body works the same and metabolizes the same is just that, clueless, it's like saying a gallon of gas will transport each vehicle the same distance at the same speed, doesn't quite work like that, especially since our metabolism is far more complicated than a simple motor.



kalikshama -> RE: tips for losing inches? (3/15/2014 6:43:16 AM)

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One of the main reasons I start on paleo is my gluten sensitivity, which isn't a problem (for me, and many others, but ymmv) with real fermented sourdough.


Ya, my body processes sprouted bread like Food for Life very differently than bread made from flour.

http://www.foodforlife.com/about_us/faq

Q: Are Food for Life sprouted grain foods "gluten free"?

A: No. Food for Life breads contain naturally occurring gluten. However, our unique sprouting process activates enzymes, which naturally metabolize starch, carbohydrates and gluten protein. This may explain why so many gluten sensitive people may tolerate sprouted grains.



kalikshama -> RE: tips for losing inches? (3/15/2014 6:47:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: RareByrd

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ORIGINAL: Lynnxz

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ORIGINAL: Spiritedsub2

You sound like a friend of mine whose entire approach to weight and fitness is "eat less crap and move".



Weight loss isn't magic.

If Calories in > Calories out, then gain weight.

If Calories in < Calories out, then lose weight.

[sm=ubanana.gif]


I am really ultra-sick of seeing this myth perpetuated.


While there will always be outliers of people who do not fit this model, I am sure that statistically, Lynnxz is quite correct, and that most people who think they are the exception to the rule are in fact comforting themselves with a delusion.



kalikshama -> RE: tips for losing inches? (3/15/2014 6:57:08 AM)

Here's a man who rose to the challenge of having the genetic deck stacked against him:

Eat Move Sleep: How Small Choices Lead to Big Changes

Since best-selling motivational author Rath was diagnosed at 16 with a rare disease, he has lived with the threat of tumors. He learned how everyday decisions affected the length and quality of his life and shares the results of his voracious reading and research. His essential prescription for a longer and healthier life is, eat right, move more, sleep better. Each chapter focuses on three findings and ideas concerning those three basic ingredients of a good day.

Among his observations:

- every bite of food or sip of a drink is a net gain or loss to health;

- excessive sitting promotes weight gain and contributes to diseases from diabetes to cancer;

- more and restful sleep, in concert with better eating habits and exercise, promises health and longevity.

He counsels against diet and exercise crazes and the American myth that ties productivity to little sleep. Known for his work on enhancing potential in organizations, Rath has turned his talent to how the little decisions about mundane things, from what you eat to how you sleep, can have a significant impact on your life.



LadyConstanze -> RE: tips for losing inches? (3/15/2014 8:02:16 AM)


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ORIGINAL: kalikshama


While there will always be outliers of people who do not fit this model, I am sure that statistically, Lynnxz is quite correct, and that most people who think they are the exception to the rule are in fact comforting themselves with a delusion.



I think genetics aren't taken into account, or endocrins, the friend I mentioned who has to eat at least 8000 calories a day to stay stable (that's when he's not having a lot of exercise, unfortunately he's a climber so if he goes climbing, the food he carries with him is often more than all the gear) for example would love to have issues with weight gain. We all joke about him being a lucky bastard and able to eat what he wants, if you think about it, not really true, for him it's survival... He dropped to 60 kilos and is about 6 foot tall, so he said he'll go on a feeding up diet (he already gets those high energy drinks) to stop looking like Skelletor, we all went and brought him cakes and chocolates. He basically needs to eat donuts because it's the best way to get a high amount of calories in for little money.

Sure there are people who never exercise and eat a lot of junk, I don't think they're the ones who can claim that it's their genetics, but there are a ton of people who gain easily. I'm having a lot of exercise, eat super healthy just to stay at a weight that's healthy and normal for me, hubby does half the exercise I do and eats considerably more, it's also easier for him to lose weight. I don't think I'm anywhere near obese, I monitor my food intake because otherwise I'd gain, when it comes to metabolism, thanks to my thyroid I'm a slow burner. If hubby wants to lose weight, all he does is come along on the morning and evening walks with the dogs and he drops 1 to 2 lbs a week. I'm currently up to 125 lbs, took me about 2 months to shed 5 lbs and I have another 10 to go to have the weight where I feel best and most healthy. Trust me, I'm not kidding myself, I got a walker app on my phone, I'm using MyPlate from livestrong.com, they calculated that with the amount of exercise and food intake I should have already lost the weight I gained due to a broken ankle, just doesn't work this way for me. I'm not cheating, I'm counting and recording everything, even a carrot I snack on, if it's frustrating for me, imagine how much more frustrating it must be for somebody who has more weight issues?



Spiritedsub2 -> RE: tips for losing inches? (3/15/2014 8:42:29 AM)

If it were a simple matter of physics, calorie in calorie out, there would be few overweight people. But look around. As I understand it, and obvious as it seems, our bodies run to the tune of biochemistry, not physics.

The Paleo approach was described by a doctor author this way: when we want to know what to feed zoo animals, we look at what they eat in the wild, and mimic that as best we can. For humans, the bulk of our species life was spent in the Paleolithic era, he says, so we look to the diet eaten by humans then.

I tossed that book in the trash because after laying out something clear and rational, he went on to recommend a diet replete with whole grains and legumes, neither being part of the "original" paleo menu and neither having a sound history of being good for us.

So experiment. What in fact works for your own body? Try calorie in calorie out. Try a low fat diet. Try Paleo. What makes your body thrive? Go with that. Occam's razor.



kalikshama -> RE: tips for losing inches? (3/15/2014 11:49:12 AM)

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If it were a simple matter of physics, calorie in calorie out, there would be few overweight people. But look around.


As compared to 1970, Americans are consuming more total calories, eating more flour, cheese, fats, and sugar, (and moving less,) which explains what I see when I look around.

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/09/23/dietary-report-card-disappoints/?_php=true&_type=blogs&ref=health?src=dayp&_r=0

...As a country, we have definitely not been on a “low-fat diet.” The average person consumes 20 pounds more in total fat yearly than in 1970, which partly explains why the obesity rate among adults has more than doubled since then, when only 15 percent of Americans were obese.

http://cspinet.org/new/pdf/changing_american_diet_13.pdf





FeralFoxy -> RE: tips for losing inches? (3/15/2014 12:31:08 PM)

Speaking of Occam's Razor, I'll paraphrase one of my favorite dietary theorists: eat real food, mostly plants. If you can't pronouce or readily identify the source of the ingredients, it ks probably not real food. Generally speaking, this is the way to achieve an optimal diet. But an optimal diet won't necessarily make you thin, and thin is not necessarily optimal health. My belovec Alpha, for instance, is obese according to the BMI scale. He's also 6'4" and has a ribcage the size of a whiskey barrel. If he were to be in the "healthy" BMI range, he'd be a skeleton.



StrongSpirit -> RE: tips for losing inches? (3/15/2014 12:45:02 PM)

The classic response to how to lose weight is simple "Eat less and exercise more". But that ignores many psychological issues. Several studies have shown that the main reason why specific diets work is that they make people eat things they dislike - so they eat less of it.

My personal advice on how to lose weight is first: Ask a doctor about any specific issues. If you are diabetic, eatting more meat makes a lot of sense. If you have gout, eating meat is a stupid idea and you need to eat more carbs and less meat.

Second: Figure out WHEN you eat when you are not hungry (as in during what events). Then arrange your life so that event happens less often. Switch those activities for more physical ones. Specifically if you eat when watching TV or on the internet, sign up for a yoga class, dance class, or something else physical and give up some of your TV/internet viewing. If you overeat at restaurants, eat home more. If you overeat at home, try restaurants more often.

Third: Don't try to go cold turkey. instead try to reduce. If you love ice cream, don't keep any at home but let yourself go out and buy some when you really want it. If you aren't willing to leave your house for the ice cream, you don't want it badly enough.






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