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Politesub53 -> RE: Reality vs. Republicans (2/26/2014 4:09:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

you're so predictable.


Irony at it`s finest. And once again not a fact in sight.




Politesub53 -> RE: Reality vs. Republicans (2/26/2014 4:16:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: RacerJim

After Obama/Soetoro/Soebarkah, or whatever else his real name might be, gave the Keynote Address at the 2004 DNC Convention I began researching whence he came and, based upon what I began finding out about him, I began saying that he despises this country. He has proven me correct.


Got to love the racist meme. [8|]

You have three hundred million people in the US, care to guess how many have names that were anglicised over the generations ?




DomKen -> RE: Reality vs. Republicans (2/26/2014 4:34:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: RacerJim

After Obama/Soetoro/Soebarkah, or whatever else his real name might be, gave the Keynote Address at the 2004 DNC Convention I began researching whence he came and, based upon what I began finding out about him, I began saying that he despises this country. He has proven me correct.


Got to love the racist meme. [8|]

You have three hundred million people in the US, care to guess how many have names that were anglicised over the generations ?

How do you discern a hatred of America from this speech?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWynt87PaJ0




Politesub53 -> RE: Reality vs. Republicans (2/26/2014 4:41:50 PM)

I take it the question was for Jim. [;)]




DomKen -> RE: Reality vs. Republicans (2/26/2014 5:14:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

I take it the question was for Jim. [;)]

For anyone.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: Reality vs. Republicans (2/26/2014 5:44:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Yachtie


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

I'm sure the cons will savage the ed board of the NYT but the facts presented are correct:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/23/opinion/sunday/what-the-stimulus-accomplished.html?_r=0



The facts presented are correct? We'll see about that. How's everyone here enjoying the recovery?

That piece has the flavor of Kool Aid. But thanks for championing it.



Well, as a small businessman, I'm finding the recovery just peachy....even spectacular.

With the Federal Reserve loaning money to GS and others at 0.25% and the Treasury buying it back via bonds at 2.67%, banks have found that loaning money to the Federal Govt. at a 2.42% spread, the most stable borrower on Earth, makes it very unlikely that any rational bank would loan money to any small business (with risk) at a 4 or 5 point spread so....borrowing money (unless you're GE) has been at best, problematic.

Ergo, funding growth has been dependent on margins which, as most in business have found, is increasingly difficult to achieve, ergo....all in all I'd say, the "recovery" has been at best, usurious.

Because, small business growth (like all business growth) is dependent upon credit which is....not available unless your margins exceed those of Microsoft or Oracle which is to say......not gonna happen which is then further to say....wanna grow? Have thick margins.

Wanna stay in business....compete, which means (not so thick) margins.

I'm lucky, even as it's affected my businesses as well, in that I have patented products which demand better margins but, even my products have withered on store shelves because of lack of credit.

Whether you have none, or that it's become ever more costly, or that you have some, but it's been curtailed....if you aren't GE where you can create your own bond market, you're affected....and this is why you see so many fewer Hallmark card shops and the growth of larger entities (such as Target/WalMart, etc.)....not because big business is usurping small companies, rather because public policy is decimating small business.




thishereboi -> RE: Reality vs. Republicans (2/26/2014 5:50:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: FellowSlave

PS: I like G. Celente essay: "The Death of American Spirit". Largely, the problems are related to a large decline in a spiritual sphere.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74l43XIeGIg

And I thought Alex Jones was nuts.



And you were sooooo right. That guy is scary kinda nuts.




thishereboi -> RE: Reality vs. Republicans (2/26/2014 6:05:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: RacerJim

After Obama/Soetoro/Soebarkah, or whatever else his real name might be, gave the Keynote Address at the 2004 DNC Convention I began researching whence he came and, based upon what I began finding out about him, I began saying that he despises this country. He has proven me correct.


Got to love the racist meme. [8|]

You have three hundred million people in the US, care to guess how many have names that were anglicised over the generations ?



Sorry, gotta disagree with ya, I can see nothing worth loving in there. Shake my head with disgust maybe, but that's as far as I am willing to go.




DesideriScuri -> RE: Reality vs. Republicans (2/27/2014 3:14:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: cloudboy
GWB won two times. As I see it, the goal is not so much to run on a national platform as it is to keep the Democrats out of power. The Republican party is really a negative movement, not a positive one. The candidates and former Presidents are really beside the point and quickly forgotten. The goal is to keep the Democrats out of office or oppose the ones in office.
Not a single rightist here likes the mention of GWB, and not a single one watched MITT. They just don't give a shit.

The thing is they loved W when he was in office. They called me every kind of traitor for opposing that one. One memorable con said I wasn't a veteran because I opposed torture.
It's only now that the verdict of history is that the guy is the worst President since Hoover that they've disowned him.


That may be true for some on here, but not for all. And, any proof that history has decided on Bush's "rating?"




DomKen -> RE: Reality vs. Republicans (2/27/2014 4:33:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: cloudboy
GWB won two times. As I see it, the goal is not so much to run on a national platform as it is to keep the Democrats out of power. The Republican party is really a negative movement, not a positive one. The candidates and former Presidents are really beside the point and quickly forgotten. The goal is to keep the Democrats out of office or oppose the ones in office.
Not a single rightist here likes the mention of GWB, and not a single one watched MITT. They just don't give a shit.

The thing is they loved W when he was in office. They called me every kind of traitor for opposing that one. One memorable con said I wasn't a veteran because I opposed torture.
It's only now that the verdict of history is that the guy is the worst President since Hoover that they've disowned him.


That may be true for some on here, but not for all. And, any proof that history has decided on Bush's "rating?"


You still love W?




Sanity -> RE: Reality vs. Republicans (10/13/2014 11:06:12 AM)


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


Our 401(k) plan is back from the ashes as is our stock portfolio and job security.


So... Are you trying to tell us, that Obama is solely responsible for what the stock market does?




cloudboy -> RE: Reality vs. Republicans (10/13/2014 12:44:35 PM)

(1) Dialed down two wars.

(2) Kept the USA from tipping over into a GREAT DEPRESSION.

(3) Has cut medicare spending costs.

(4) Boosted American productivity be expanding health care coverage.

(5) Reduced unemployment to under 6% percent.

(6) Did not propose or argue for stupid Europeanesque austerity measures.

(7) Put in deferred action to protect children from deportation -- allowing them to legally go to school and enter the American workforce.

(8) Helped turnaround US auto industry. (Since bottoming out in 2009, the auto industry has added more than 100,000 jobs. In 2011, the Big Three automakers all gained market share for the first time in two decades.)

(9) Recapitalized Banks: Got banks back on their feet at essentially zero cost to the government. (Bush helped here as well.)

(10) Kicked Banks Out of Federal Student Loan Program, Expanded Pell Grant Spending: Treasury will save $67 billion over ten years, $36 billion of which will go to expanding Pell Grants to lower-income students.

(11) Fought the Tea Party head-on over the Government Shutdown and refused to let the USA default on its national debt.

(12) The auto rescue plan has worked. American car manufacturers are still dominant and employing millions directly and in supplier companies. Wall Street reform has been painful but it has re-instated faith amongst investors. The markets are far more predictable than they were four years ago, as VIX numbers demonstrate greater faith and less risk.

Even for small investors, such as those limited to their 401(k) or IRA investments, the average annual compound return on stocks under President Obama has been more than 24% since the lows of March, 2009. This is a better result than either Clinton, Reagan or FDR – who were the prior winners in our book.
(Forbes Magazine)

(13) BBBB – Firstly, let’s review just how bad things were in 2009. In 2000 America was completing the longest bull market in history. But by the end of President Bush’s tenure the country had witnessed 2 stock market crashes, and the DJIA had fallen 58%. This was the second worst market decline in history (exceeded only by the Great Depression,) and hence the term “Great Recession” was born.

In 2000, at the end of Clinton’s administration, the Consumer Confidence Index was at a record high 140. By January, 2009 this index had fallen to an historic low of 25.3. Comparatively, when Reagan took office at the end of the economically weak Carter years the Confidence Index was still at 74.4! Today this measure of how people feel about the country is still nowhere near 2000 levels, but it is almost 3 times better than 4 years ago.

Significantly, in 2000 America had a budget surplus. By 2009 surpluses were long gone and the country was racking up historic deficits as taxes were cut while simultaneously outlays for defense skyrocketed to cover costs of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Additionally, banks were on the edge of failing due to unregulated real estate speculation and massive derivative losses.

Today the Congressional Budget Office is reporting a $200B decrease in the deficit almost entirely due to increased revenue from a growing economy and higher taxes on the wealthiest Americans. The deficit is now only 4% of the GDP, down from over 10% at the end of Bush’s administration – and projections are for it to be only 2% by 2015 (before Obama leaves office.) America’s “debt problem” seems largely solved, and almost all due to growth rather than austerity.

We can largely thank a fairer tax code, improved regulation and consistent SEC enforcement. Also, major strides in health care reform – something no other President has accomplished – has given American’s more faith in their future, and an increased willingness to invest.
(Forbes Magazine)




JLK4ever -> RE: Reality vs. Republicans (10/13/2014 1:11:28 PM)

So posts like "Cloudboy above explain why this is the total last website I would go to for political sophistication.

In my advanced Macro-economics course, we've disproven nearly all the claims you make above. Sad.

(Example: The reason the unemployment is lower because 8 million people simply gave up looking for jobs because the economy was so bad. Counting them the unemployment rate would be over 10%).

(Example II: about the The New York Times editorial at the thread beginning asserting the stimulus was so awesome: Where is their evidence? They say it raised incomes but median income is down $2,000 since the stimulus. We studied this in class. There is no evidence that the stimulus created any more jobs than the economy naturally created. The New York Times' "evidence" is just an old back-of-the-envelope guess that government spends "must always" create jobs at a rate of $225,000 in spending per job. Its nothing more sophisticated than that. No one examined the actual economy or counted the jobs or anything. They said just "we believe stimulus creates jobs, so were just going to assume it must have" - no matter what actually happens in the economy. Its called the begging-the-question fallacy, they are saying "our proof that the stimulus worked is our own belief that the stimulus must have worked" Thats faith, not evidence!)




cloudboy -> RE: Reality vs. Republicans (10/13/2014 1:36:22 PM)


Thanks for criticizing point #6. I would agree the under-employment remains a problem, but when you compare the US economy with those in Europe -- we've done better by avoiding austerity measures. If want to further boost employment, we need to invest in US infrastructure and US job training programs.





deathtothepixies -> RE: Reality vs. Republicans (10/13/2014 4:16:03 PM)

This thread has been dead for nearly 8 months, but you bring it back to life with this "searing" comment?
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ORIGINAL: Sanity


quote:

ORIGINAL: cloudboy


Our 401(k) plan is back from the ashes as is our stock portfolio and job security.


So... Are you trying to tell us, that Obama is solely responsible for what the stock market does?


Is that all you've got? After 8 months?

How many other old threads have you gone looking around in for something to prove a point?

This is your best shot?

Stop wasting your time, go outside and try and get people to vote instead of posting 18578 steaming piles of horseshit







Sanity -> RE: Reality vs. Republicans (10/13/2014 7:00:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

(1) Dialed down two wars.

(2) Kept the USA from tipping over into a GREAT DEPRESSION.

(3) Has cut medicare spending costs.

(4) Boosted American productivity be expanding health care coverage.

(5) Reduced unemployment to under 6% percent.

(6) Did not propose or argue for stupid Europeanesque austerity measures.

(7) Put in deferred action to protect children from deportation -- allowing them to legally go to school and enter the American workforce.

(8) Helped turnaround US auto industry. (Since bottoming out in 2009, the auto industry has added more than 100,000 jobs. In 2011, the Big Three automakers all gained market share for the first time in two decades.)

(9) Recapitalized Banks: Got banks back on their feet at essentially zero cost to the government. (Bush helped here as well.)

(10) Kicked Banks Out of Federal Student Loan Program, Expanded Pell Grant Spending: Treasury will save $67 billion over ten years, $36 billion of which will go to expanding Pell Grants to lower-income students.

(11) Fought the Tea Party head-on over the Government Shutdown and refused to let the USA default on its national debt.

(12) The auto rescue plan has worked. American car manufacturers are still dominant and employing millions directly and in supplier companies. Wall Street reform has been painful but it has re-instated faith amongst investors. The markets are far more predictable than they were four years ago, as VIX numbers demonstrate greater faith and less risk.

Even for small investors, such as those limited to their 401(k) or IRA investments, the average annual compound return on stocks under President Obama has been more than 24% since the lows of March, 2009. This is a better result than either Clinton, Reagan or FDR – who were the prior winners in our book.
(Forbes Magazine)

(13) BBBB – Firstly, let’s review just how bad things were in 2009. In 2000 America was completing the longest bull market in history. But by the end of President Bush’s tenure the country had witnessed 2 stock market crashes, and the DJIA had fallen 58%. This was the second worst market decline in history (exceeded only by the Great Depression,) and hence the term “Great Recession” was born.

In 2000, at the end of Clinton’s administration, the Consumer Confidence Index was at a record high 140. By January, 2009 this index had fallen to an historic low of 25.3. Comparatively, when Reagan took office at the end of the economically weak Carter years the Confidence Index was still at 74.4! Today this measure of how people feel about the country is still nowhere near 2000 levels, but it is almost 3 times better than 4 years ago.

Significantly, in 2000 America had a budget surplus. By 2009 surpluses were long gone and the country was racking up historic deficits as taxes were cut while simultaneously outlays for defense skyrocketed to cover costs of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Additionally, banks were on the edge of failing due to unregulated real estate speculation and massive derivative losses.

Today the Congressional Budget Office is reporting a $200B decrease in the deficit almost entirely due to increased revenue from a growing economy and higher taxes on the wealthiest Americans. The deficit is now only 4% of the GDP, down from over 10% at the end of Bush’s administration – and projections are for it to be only 2% by 2015 (before Obama leaves office.) America’s “debt problem” seems largely solved, and almost all due to growth rather than austerity.

We can largely thank a fairer tax code, improved regulation and consistent SEC enforcement. Also, major strides in health care reform – something no other President has accomplished – has given American’s more faith in their future, and an increased willingness to invest.
(Forbes Magazine)


You can copy&paste propaganda really well, but you cannot answer a simple, direct question

Such towering intellect




Sanity -> RE: Reality vs. Republicans (10/13/2014 8:43:14 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

This thread has been dead for nearly 8 months, but you bring it back to life with this "searing" comment?
quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


quote:

ORIGINAL: cloudboy


Our 401(k) plan is back from the ashes as is our stock portfolio and job security.


So... Are you trying to tell us, that Obama is solely responsible for what the stock market does?


Is that all you've got? After 8 months?

How many other old threads have you gone looking around in for something to prove a point?

This is your best shot?

Stop wasting your time, go outside and try and get people to vote instead of posting 18578 steaming piles of horseshit






I know

Dirty pool to remember leftist propaganda from months ago

So inconvenient to the ideology isnt it




CreativeDominant -> RE: Reality vs. Republicans (10/13/2014 8:50:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


Thanks for criticizing point #6. I would agree the under-employment remains a problem, but when you compare the US economy with those in Europe -- we've done better by avoiding austerity measures. If want to further boost employment, we need to invest in US infrastructure and US job training programs.


??? Where in the he'll did she criticize point 6? She took you to task on almost all of your post except point 6.





cloudboy -> RE: Reality vs. Republicans (10/13/2014 9:33:36 PM)


Yes, she was contesting point 5, not 6.

Facts, tho, are facts. We avoided a Great Depression, banks were recapitalized, the US has outperformed Europe in its recovery, yada yada yada everyone's 401(k) has rebounded tremendously.

Sanity ran from the information -- he prefers going back to the BUSH years of economic meltdown and endless war.





Sanity -> RE: Reality vs. Republicans (10/13/2014 10:04:19 PM)


I could dump massive amounts of copy&paste and demand you answer to all of it too, but thats kinda immature and not what most people consider honest debate





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