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Reality vs. Republicans - 2/23/2014 5:34:13 AM   
DomKen


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Status: offline 		I'm sure the cons will savage the ed board of the NYT but the facts presented are correct:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/23/opinion/sunday/what-the-stimulus-accomplished.html?_r=0

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RE: Reality vs. Republicans - 2/23/2014 5:49:21 AM   
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I'm sure the cons will savage the ed board of the NYT but the facts presented are correct:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/23/opinion/sunday/what-the-stimulus-accomplished.html?_r=0



The facts presented are correct? We'll see about that. How's everyone here enjoying the recovery?

That piece has the flavor of Kool Aid. But thanks for championing it.







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RE: Reality vs. Republicans - 2/23/2014 5:53:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Yachtie


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

I'm sure the cons will savage the ed board of the NYT but the facts presented are correct:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/23/opinion/sunday/what-the-stimulus-accomplished.html?_r=0



The facts presented are correct? We'll see about that. How's everyone here enjoying the recovery?

That piece has the flavor of Kool Aid. But thanks for championing it.

Like I said. Can you challenge any of the numbers presented? They have actual facts.

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RE: Reality vs. Republicans - 2/23/2014 6:29:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

I'm sure the cons will savage the ed board of the NYT but the facts presented are correct:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/23/opinion/sunday/what-the-stimulus-accomplished.html?_r=0



The facts presented are correct? We'll see about that. How's everyone here enjoying the recovery?

That piece has the flavor of Kool Aid. But thanks for championing it.


Like I said. Can you challenge any of the numbers presented? They have actual facts.




Lets see.

It created or saved an average of 1.6 million jobs a year for four years. (There are the jobs, Mr. Boehner.)

Is that accurate? Well, I accept that it is. Does it support its part of the claim that Government spending worked, helping millions of people who never realized it. Well, again, I accept that. But, is making such claims in the way the article puts it Kool Aid?

Yes. All one really needs to do is look at the other numbers, like, say, the US Participation Rate. Or perhaps a chart on disposable income.


The article isn't even half the story, yet it concludes with, Government spending worked, helping millions of people who never realized it. I find it humorous you wish to grovel in the muck, challenging as to "having the facts," your touting the piece as if it makes a realistically salient point.

Are you enjoying the recovery, DK? Are you actually doing any better?




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RE: Reality vs. Republicans - 2/23/2014 7:10:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		so unless you are doing better, and use nothing but zero hedge as a reliable source
you dont believe it? oh that figures


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RE: Reality vs. Republicans - 2/23/2014 7:24:42 AM   
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so unless you are doing better, and use nothing but zero hedge as a reliable source
you dont believe it? oh that figures



DK is using the NYT. I used what is in the article and commented, with some data links, as to it, not to the NYT itself as the source.

Do you have anything of any value to discuss? Would you like to challenge the ZH numbers as potentially a game changer as to the NYT piece? Or shall it be the usual Lucylastic method of combat.

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RE: Reality vs. Republicans - 2/23/2014 7:27:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Yachtie


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

I'm sure the cons will savage the ed board of the NYT but the facts presented are correct:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/23/opinion/sunday/what-the-stimulus-accomplished.html?_r=0



The facts presented are correct? We'll see about that. How's everyone here enjoying the recovery?

That piece has the flavor of Kool Aid. But thanks for championing it.


Like I said. Can you challenge any of the numbers presented? They have actual facts.




Lets see.

It created or saved an average of 1.6 million jobs a year for four years. (There are the jobs, Mr. Boehner.)

Is that accurate? Well, I accept that it is. Does it support its part of the claim that Government spending worked, helping millions of people who never realized it. Well, again, I accept that. But, is making such claims in the way the article puts it Kool Aid?

So in short you cannot refute the facts. and have nothing but opinion. Fine. That's all the Cons have had for a long time. See the thread title. 

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RE: Reality vs. Republicans - 2/23/2014 7:30:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		Lucy, I have come to realize conservatives/Republicans don't as a rule like to go by facts.
They like to parrot what other conservatives say (some not even politicians, but conservative musicians, radio hosts and the like). They will try to change subjects on you, resort to name calling, and spill ridiculous beliefs of theirs on you. One thing I am learning? If you are able to make your point on a FOX news link. (rare but I have seen some), they are more apt to believe your statement is credible or that you are "doing better" lol

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RE: Reality vs. Republicans - 2/23/2014 7:33:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

I'm sure the cons will savage the ed board of the NYT but the facts presented are correct:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/23/opinion/sunday/what-the-stimulus-accomplished.html?_r=0



The facts presented are correct? We'll see about that. How's everyone here enjoying the recovery?

That piece has the flavor of Kool Aid. But thanks for championing it.


Like I said. Can you challenge any of the numbers presented? They have actual facts.




Lets see.

It created or saved an average of 1.6 million jobs a year for four years. (There are the jobs, Mr. Boehner.)

Is that accurate? Well, I accept that it is. Does it support its part of the claim that Government spending worked, helping millions of people who never realized it. Well, again, I accept that. But, is making such claims in the way the article puts it Kool Aid?

So in short you cannot refute the facts. and have nothing but opinion. Fine. That's all the Cons have had for a long time. See the thread title. 




you're so predictable.

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RE: Reality vs. Republicans - 2/23/2014 7:34:54 AM   
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so unless you are doing better, and use nothing but zero hedge as a reliable source
you dont believe it? oh that figures



DK is using the NYT. I used what is in the article and commented, with some data links, as to it, not to the NYT itself as the source.

Do you have anything of any value to discuss? Would you like to challenge the ZH numbers as potentially a game changer as to the NYT piece? Or shall it be the usual Lucylastic method of combat.

Really, you have zero ground to dare me to give up resources that prove you wrong, as you havent proven ONE Of your "claims" as correct in two years.
Method of combat??? oh you mean the one that you are plainly unarmed for. Facts AND good resources...when you attain that level of ability*which really isnt hard* then you might be taken with a modicum of seriousness.



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RE: Reality vs. Republicans - 2/23/2014 7:39:04 AM   
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Lucy, I have come to realize conservatives/Republicans don't as a rule like to go by facts.
They like to parrot what other conservatives say (some not even politicians, but conservative musicians, radio hosts and the like). They will try to change subjects on you, resort to name calling, and spill ridiculous beliefs of theirs on you. One thing I am learning? If you are able to make your point on a FOX news link. (rare but I have seen some), they are more apt to believe your statement is credible or that you are "doing better" lol

LOL Yes Louve, :) Ive used all kinds of links to bolster my posts many times using fox or WND< lol as you can see from above, they reach and retch..and I enjoy their pitiful attempts.. it keeps me young and vibrant:) heh

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RE: Reality vs. Republicans - 2/23/2014 7:39:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		If OBAMA is supposed to be as bad as they claim, this is just entirely disturbing. Perceived difficulties trump actual economic stability and progress, and perceived prosperity trumps war and recession (Bush.)

Imagine if OBAMA wanted to put fluoride in the water now or build Hoover Dam.

Instead of getting on board and moving the country forward, the right holds onto millstones like lower taxes for the wealthy, anger over empty scandals, antigovernment rhetoric, and xenophobia over immigration reform. I forgot to mention, too, anti-gay legislation.

Anger, despair, and defeatism don't mix with progress or solving problems. When reading about the released FED minutes yesterday during the Lehman crisis, it occurred to me that the current Republican house would have tossed the whole country into oblivion as opposed to springing into action to save the economy. These guys on some level do not want the boat to get to shore, better it just sink, especially if Obama is on it.

How they feel is reality. No wonder they are so angry.

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RE: Reality vs. Republicans - 2/23/2014 7:40:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm glad you can see the predictability of someone calling you out for supplying no facts, it just shows that even you know you provided no facts and that you saw this coming. Cmon man, if you know your arguments are crap, why not actually trying to bring forth some evidence instead of spewing the baseless crap you have been...oh wait, there is no evidence...

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RE: Reality vs. Republicans - 2/23/2014 7:46:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		I said five years ago that the repubs dont want the country on its feet, while Obama is prez, they have proven that time after time after time. Not one of them has the ability, strength or foresight to tackle any issue, let alone running the country.
The majority of rational ones I know are ashamed of the antics by their "leaders", theres not that many of them, the rest of them just go for the throat of their demons.
they divided themselves from the rest of the country with their hatred of obama.
I hear Oily Taint is running again
oh this is gonna be fun



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RE: Reality vs. Republicans - 2/23/2014 8:32:52 AM   
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Imagine if [a President] wanted to ... build Hoover Dam.


Can you imagine the cost of that nowadays?

Go to any old Catholic church and look at the architecture and materials. It's almost mind-boggling how expensive that would be now.



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RE: Reality vs. Republicans - 2/23/2014 8:37:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		A good example would be this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagrada_Fam%C3%ADlia which is funded by private donations and they're still not finished

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RE: Reality vs. Republicans - 2/23/2014 9:04:01 AM   
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It's one of the seven wonders of the world. It was big government done right.

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RE: Reality vs. Republicans - 2/23/2014 12:12:10 PM   
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Imagine if [a President] wanted to ... build Hoover Dam.


Can you imagine the cost of that nowadays?

Go to any old Catholic church and look at the architecture and materials. It's almost mind-boggling how expensive that would be now.




Oh please. The environmentalists would never allow it.

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RE: Reality vs. Republicans - 2/23/2014 12:26:44 PM   
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The untamed Colorado River was a powder-keg -- but once again, thanks for the defeatist POV. The upside is that you imply the House would have passed it even if Obama proposed it.

God Knows how the environmentalists have killed and scaled back off shore drilling.

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RE: Reality vs. Republicans - 2/24/2014 2:26:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Article by The New York Times Editorial Board. What is this garbage: a message from Obama apologist party to "debunk" the consensus view?
The stimulus package was a scam, a deficit spending without clear purpose or plan. Yes, a few billion went for useful things among massive waste and stupidity.
The conservatives are portrayed as opposing the progress. Yes they are, in case the progress is defined as debasing the US currency and eventually crashing the economic system. It could be; a dysfunctional system must die.

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