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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/26/2014 7:31:26 PM   
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Thanks K, in case I have never told you, your a good one.
Instinct, hunches, insight, can be a friend.


I am of course not claiming the position that Kirata has picked out for me. There's a whole lot of middle ground between ignoring your intuition and letting it lead you around by the nose.

Human intuition operates via some fairly sloppy mechanisms and as such reliably generates certain sorts of errors. Which is reasonably fine the way most people use their intuition but I think you're aware that you depend on your intuition far more than the average person.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/26/2014 7:31:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Cycling between the two polar opposite positions is not a solution either. It gives you the same result; you are going to Hell. It is a very difficult problem. Why does cycling between opposite poles not make sense? Because in either case you are a partisan. In half of the cycle you belong to one camp which is going to Hell in a handbasket and in the other half you belong to the other camp which too is going to Hell in a handbasket.

The Church by necessity pursues a path that outwardly appears contradictory.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/26/2014 7:34:03 PM   
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Is it just me or has this thread gotten seriously freakin' weird?


It makes more sense with BM on hide.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/26/2014 7:37:03 PM   
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It makes more sense with BM on hide.


Agreed.


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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/26/2014 7:43:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		My previous post is reminiscent of a Buddhist teaching. Does this mean that Christianity and Buddhism share some common ground? Yes it does, but there are some differences. It seems likely that the most important is that there is a fundamental asymmetry between good and evil. According to Christianity good and evil do not exist in a balance. Buddhists practice a form of magic where good will mysteriously manifest itself when all things are in balance.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/26/2014 7:46:31 PM   
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It makes more sense with BM on hide.


Yeah, I'm beginning to think he's blown a gasket. Either that or he is philosophizing at twenty after four in the afternoon.

I've done my share of 4:20 philosophizing but I usually wait until I come down before I reveal my latest "insights." Usually.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/26/2014 7:59:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		I do not mind if you want to carry on a conversation in parallel with mine. I suspect there would be a lot of confirmation bias in the parallel discourse.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/26/2014 8:05:40 PM   
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I've done my share of 4:20 philosophizing but I usually wait until I come down before I reveal my latest "insights." Usually.


Just make sure to record them first. I think the value of the effort was well demonstrated on an errant episode of That 70s Show.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/26/2014 8:28:09 PM   
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I do not mind if you want to carry on a conversation in parallel with mine.


That's good because it is a rather common trait on message boards.


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I suspect there would be a lot of confirmation bias in the parallel discourse.


I confirm the bias but there is no bias in the confirmation.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/26/2014 8:32:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Intelligent conversation is always appreciated. Philosophers often have long thoughts. Sometimes thoughts that span the length of the universe.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/26/2014 8:54:47 PM   
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Intelligent conversation is always appreciated. Philosophers often have long thoughts. Sometimes thoughts that span the length of the universe.


Imagination spans everything and yet, nothing.

Oh fuck, I'm going to bed.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/26/2014 9:57:15 PM   
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Imagination spans everything and yet, nothing.


Across the Universe, even.



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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/26/2014 10:35:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		To comment further on the difference between Buddhism and Christianity. It may seem odd to say that Buddhists are practicing magic. What is prayer then? Isn't it a magical practice? There is an important albeit subtle difference. With one you are sending something out into the void, a good intention or something, and other is a conversation with God. The notion of God is not as vague. What the Buddhists practice is too pure to be pure. A Judeo-Christian argument should help to make what I am saying more clear. In the Lord's Prayer we say "Your Will be done." There is no necessity for it to fully conform to our understanding or expectations.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/26/2014 11:07:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		In brief Buddhism conforms too closely to human understanding to be entirely legitimate. What did this fellow earlier say? He loves his religion because it makes perfect sense.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/27/2014 12:16:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Excessive pride is ungodly. Why? It is because you are excluding God. You are saying your will be done. Though I have indicated that I have the means to exercise my will, I am not excluding God. God is present.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/27/2014 12:21:57 AM   
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I am of course not claiming the position that Kirata has picked out for me.

The position I "picked out" for you is the one you picked out for yourself.

There's absolutely no reason you can't become an intellectual, you'd just need to stop letting your subconscious lead you around and exercise your intellect.

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There's a whole lot of middle ground between ignoring your intuition and letting it lead you around by the nose.

There is no middle ground. You either trust your intuition, or you don't. If it was a product of your intellect, you'd know how it got to what it's telling you. But it isn't, and you don't. So when you have an intuition, you either follow it or you don't.

You could try to argue that we shouldn't always follow our intuition, but why not? And on what basis would we decide? A coin flip? There is no way it can be a rational decision, because reason will always dictate taking the rational course.

Back to Fred Astaire.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/27/2014 12:26:57 AM   
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Excessive pride is ungodly. Why? It is because you are excluding God. You are saying your will be done. Though I have indicated that I have the means to exercise my will, I am not excluding God. God is present.


An excessive absence of pride also excludes God.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/27/2014 1:27:56 AM   
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An excessive absence of pride also excludes God.


This may be hard to grasp for some because it doesn't make complete sense. As Padre Pio said we need the cross, humiliation, trials and denials, but we are not less for these things. Did Our Lord accept His cross because He was lacking in pride?

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/27/2014 1:30:52 AM   
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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/27/2014 1:45:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		Did Our Lord have excessive pride? He did submit to the Father. As such He did fulfill the role of an exemplar.

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