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BenevolentM -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/30/2014 5:28:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 Tarot reading is not Godly. I once long ago had one, and indeed it was accurate. But as you have said Ben, the devil speaks in half truths, the other half leaves the door open for lies and well other things......... One of my best friends is a Master gardener along with being an herbalist. She studies under the founder of studies, the first school located in California. She is quite good, excellent I would say and teaches me what she knows. We are true lovers and respecters of Mother Earth, but we do not worship or use herbs in either wiccan or black magic. I suppose we could try if we wanted ( absolutely no desire), but we are Christians and it is just for fun and knowledge of basic medicinal purposes, cooking, and natural pesticides etc. In other words, if you were called before the church elders and were accused of witchcraft, you already know what you would say in your defense. Now isn't that curious.

chatterbox24 -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/30/2014 5:36:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 I read about this man. St Augustine as you requested. Boom, just like that, I felt he was sad. Sad for his past decisions. I was suppose to be reading his knowledge correct? One thing did stand out of the reading, but remember I am a simpleton and my interpretation comes from somewhere else. WAY OUT THERE. Self unity with God. I liked that part. That was the good part. I am sure there was more, but that was the jest of it. That is all, other then, he was a mama's boy and left his partner and child of many years, to pursue a BETTER SOCIAL STANDING. He tore his heart out, and injured and abandoned his family to what pursue a better worldly greedy knowledge based position? Me thinks he reasoned to much. Which leads me to believe it effected him adversely his entire life. But of course, he was a brilliant man of study, a great mind, his work is basically what he had? I do hope this doesn't insult you Ben, my take on St Augustine. ITs not personal. Such is the plight of many intellectuals. Based on what I know of his work, he got some things wrong. I take it that you have declined my offer? I missed an offer somewhere? Was I blind?[:D] What did you offer, to become Catholic? Oh how I like to guess sometimes. Please clarify if you would.

chatterbox24 -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/30/2014 5:57:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 Tarot reading is not Godly. I once long ago had one, and indeed it was accurate. But as you have said Ben, the devil speaks in half truths, the other half leaves the door open for lies and well other things......... One of my best friends is a Master gardener along with being an herbalist. She studies under the founder of studies, the first school located in California. She is quite good, excellent I would say and teaches me what she knows. We are true lovers and respecters of Mother Earth, but we do not worship or use herbs in either wiccan or black magic. I suppose we could try if we wanted ( absolutely no desire), but we are Christians and it is just for fun and knowledge of basic medicinal purposes, cooking, and natural pesticides etc. In other words, if you were called before the church elders and were accused of witchcraft, you already know what you would say in your defense. Now isn't that curious. Oh stop that with the witch craft nonsense![:-] I suppose it would be a good argument though and pray I wouldn't be lynched. (kidding!) I have a story for you. My friend I mentioned raises bees, her family they raised bees. They require a lot of care sometimes, and her family no longer could manage it. They sold 6 hives to the catholic church, and we had a terrible winter. All the bees died because they weren't taken care of properly. They froze to death. They required warmth, protection, and additional care. I don't know the first thing about bees. Other then I like honey, they like flowers, and they will sting you if you step on them. Ha! Her husband works for the Church, but he is not catholic.

BenevolentM -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/30/2014 6:07:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 I missed an offer somewhere? Yes. I gave you a home work assignment.

chatterbox24 -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/30/2014 6:21:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 I missed an offer somewhere? Yes. I gave you a home work assignment. Hmmm, well I already completed it and touched on the subject, commenting on post 575. I admit I skimmed it and did not go into great depth. Did I miss something of great importance? If you felt I did, I can read it again, but I thought I caught the highlight. What lead me to understand the parts of importance.

BenevolentM -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/30/2014 6:32:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 I missed an offer somewhere? Yes. I gave you a home work assignment. Hmmm, well I already completed it and touched on the subject, commenting on post 575. I admit I skimmed it and did not go into great depth. Did I miss something of great importance? If you felt I did, I can read it again, but I thought I caught the highlight. What lead me to understand the parts of importance. I realize that you completed it. Your work was good, but it was an open ended assignment. You closed the door prematurely. I want more than a single thoughtful post on the matter.

chatterbox24 -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/30/2014 6:46:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 I missed an offer somewhere? Yes. I gave you a home work assignment. Hmmm, well I already completed it and touched on the subject, commenting on post 575. I admit I skimmed it and did not go into great depth. Did I miss something of great importance? If you felt I did, I can read it again, but I thought I caught the highlight. What lead me to understand the parts of importance. I realize that you completed it. Your work was good, but it was an open ended assignment. You closed the door prematurely. I want more than a single thoughtful post on the matter. I see. No 101 for me then. Okay lets see what else is there. This better not be a Pandora box I am opening, or Im going to get mad at you![sm=anger.gif][sm=rofl.gif]

chatterbox24 -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/30/2014 7:29:34 AM)
I relate to God in the best way to describe it as a 6th sense. In St. Augustine teachings in confessions, he talks of the 5 senses. Basically I add to it, a lead, a jumper cable to the 5 senses, but I mean that with the highest respect. I also like his concept of the invisible Church. This would be helpful for those who felt disappointment in people that lead them to the lack of faith they may now have. To me it looks like his sins, lead him to sacrifices, but those personal sorrows were a benefit to mankind. He blessed others by his work and sacrifice to God. He was a blessing, although he was a man of sorrow. The beauty of it is, he could find contentment in his work and sorrow, his condition. It had to be God as far as I can see it. I do not play God, I do however, find it beneficial to come to my own understanding of things. The reason is to bridge a gap that might be lacking for clarity that lacks for me. To find unity with God. Its working, and If I do something out of line, I have faith it will be redirected. Also, his exploration of the Trinity is interesting. I am a firm believer of the Trinity.

chatterbox24 -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/30/2014 8:02:23 AM)
P.S. Even if a Pandora box was opened, according to Greek mythology, there was one thing left in the "jar" and that was hope. Even if some Pagan teachings, Good over rides Evil. I wonder where GS ranks my IQ now, I am so concerned.[sm=lol.gif][sm=lol.gif] Be humble, not prideful. signed, the Humble hill billy

BenevolentM -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/30/2014 2:24:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM Based on what I know of his work, he got some things wrong. My achievement is of the superhuman variety. If there is any fault, it is likely exceedingly subtle. It is likely that his work will be correct or proximately correct. For example, suppose things turn for the worst for you and you are upset that the attitude of the world in general is drop dead. If you have forgiveness in your heart, the world in general won't change its mind or feeling. The Church on the other hand will make you a Saint. Would it be just to be angry at the Church?

BenevolentM -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/30/2014 2:43:09 PM)
It is sweet and good of you to do as I've asked of you.

BenevolentM -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/30/2014 2:53:20 PM)
I do believe the logic that Saint Augustine is advancing is a worst case scenario. In the worst case, when pressed which view does goodness take? Life is hard; consequently, it is close to a worst case scenario. Consequently, what he wrote is reasonable and plausible.

BenevolentM -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/30/2014 3:16:39 PM)
Suppose you were a judge and you didn't have much to go on to make a decision, but you have to rule one way or the other. What criteria would you use?

BenevolentM -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/30/2014 3:21:09 PM)
Is the person bitter or sweet? Decide.

chatterbox24 -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/30/2014 3:27:23 PM)
Wow, superhuman! You must have eaten your wheaties today! Well, no, one shouldnt be mad at the church. That is not just unless there is a section of corruption, maybe a resolution needed there, some tweaking? you cant be a saint without a good attitude. Not a sincere true Saint? you are stating you are close to a Saint? Even if I was catholic I would never have qualifiers for that. when times are rough and one is still positive and strong, even in sorrow, thats a good indicator a person is arriving? Do you find that true? ha, lots of questions this time. ....and your welcome. quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM Based on what I know of his work, he got some things wrong. My achievement is of the superhuman variety. If there is any fault, it is likely exceedingly subtle. It is likely that his work will be correct or proximately correct. For example, suppose things turn for the worst for you and you are upset that the attitude of the world in general is drop dead. If you have forgiveness in your heart, the world in general won't change its mind or feeling. The Church on the other hand will make you a Saint. Would it be just to be angry at the Church?

BenevolentM -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/30/2014 3:42:31 PM)
The atheists believe that goodness is an emergent property. There has been some work in mathematics that suggests that this is the case, but it is kind of like when they tried to run a simulation of the birth of the universe using the known laws of physics. They discovered that galaxies could not form. What does emergent mean in this context? It means that good springs from evil.

BenevolentM -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/30/2014 3:57:57 PM)
chatterbox24's Sunday devotion apparently is to ask me the difficult questions. quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 you are stating you are close to a Saint? Do you recall the scene in the film IQ where Catherine Boyd asks Ed Walters, "Why did you use this operator here?" Ed Walters responded by saying, "I've often wondered about that myself." In this scenario it is not Einstein who is manipulating circumstances. It is God.

chatterbox24 -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/30/2014 4:05:53 PM)
Really? And here I thought he said that because he didnt know what else to say, because of the big fib![:D] I watched that movie 3 times, I liked it that well. [quotwe]ORIGINAL: BenevolentM chatterbox24's Sunday devotion apparently is to ask me the difficult questions. quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 you are stating you are close to a Saint? Do you recall the scene in the film IQ where Catherine Boyd asks Ed Walters, "Why did you use this operator here?" Ed Walters responded by saying, "I've often wondered about that myself." In this scenario it is not Einstein who is manipulating circumstances. It is God.

BenevolentM -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/30/2014 4:26:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM ... They discovered that galaxies could not form. What am I saying here? Immediately the scientists would jump in and say though true, we did discover the flaw and fixed it. What I am saying is that it is like dangling a carrot in front of a mule. The mule thinks that if it steps forward it will get the carrot, but it doesn't. The carrot is forever out of reach.

BenevolentM -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/30/2014 4:35:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 Really? And here I thought he said that because he didnt know what else to say, because of the big fib! Do you recall what the central point of the film was? It was a proof.

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