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RE: Switch Hatred - 5/7/2014 5:33:04 AM   
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I don't agree that all people are 'switch' somewhere on a scale.
Some are dominant and some are submissive.
If you are hanging off the end of one end of the spectrum or the other, we have specific names for that; ie, a sub or Dom/me.

And I think there is a significant difference between obeying the law or your boss and I don't view either as "submitting" in any sense of the word.
If you have someone that doesn't submit or doesn't dominate at all - that doesn't make them any kind of switch.
If there are specific circumstance where you just might change, then you would be some sort of switch; but not at the extremes.
Sorry, I think people are trying to fit a square peg into a round hole just for the sake of it.
It's a simple case of Sub<===Switch===>Dom/me - and you fit into one of the 3 typical types.


I can see where you're coming from, and I respect your meritorious opinion.
Not to get caught up in semantics, or in a going-nowhere debate on superiority v. inferiority, if we view this beyond a limited scope into rankings,
then many of us play a subordinate role in our lives, but rarely is it non-consensual (as in appearing before a judge, getting pulled over by law enforcement, or being "forced" to pay taxes).

Unless you were drafted, you chose to serve in the military, knowing that you have to report to your C.O., and submit to those who outrank you. You may be charged with having authority over others of lesser rank.
If you have a close relationship (or even not) with any living parent(s), you are subordinate to them as their child.
You can say you didn't choose this set of dynamics, but you do get a choice whether to act respectful or to defer to their authority.
Unless you are self-employed, there are times when you might have to kiss your boss's ass. Not consensual, perhaps, but of necessity.
You have the choice to quit and to work for someone else. There are company owners, clients & customers you have to stroke if you want to keep your job or get ahead in your career. There are co-workers you have to deal with, for most of us who aren't able to work independently. There are office or organizational politics to contend with.

For those who say real world or non-intimate D/s relationship dynamics don't count, my response to that is,
many of you are the same ones who also say that being a bedroom Dominant or bedroom submissive doesn't *really* count either.
So which is it?

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RE: Switch Hatred - 5/7/2014 5:52:20 AM   
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Your main paragraph to me sounds like choices... yes.
But I still don't see any one of them as "submitting" in the 'normal' sense.

I obey my boss but I don't "submit" to him - and I do have a choice to do either.
And I think semantics are all important when we bandy words around within the kink field.

I suppose what I'm saying is: if it's not within any kink-related dynamic, I wouldn't use the words "submit" or "Dominate" to describe anything because it's an oxymoron and those words just don't belong within that context.

Maybe it's just me but those words just don't fit real-world dynamics outside of the kink arena.


ETA: Example: you can be a dominant person but still obey your boss because it's your "job" to do so.
Same with being a submissive and being a supervisor.
That doesn't mean you "switch" does it??
Whatever your erstwhile normal activity requires you to do has no bearing on whether you are a sub or a Dom/me.
And that's why I think those terms are an oxymoron when used out of context.


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RE: Switch Hatred - 5/7/2014 7:50:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

I suppose what I'm saying is: if it's not within any kink-related dynamic, I wouldn't use the words "submit" or "Dominate" to describe anything because it's an oxymoron and those words just don't belong within that context.

Maybe it's just me but those words just don't fit real-world dynamics outside of the kink arena.



Much as I don't understand those who don't/don't want to understand that a switch could mean literally dozens of different things, I too, don't understand people taking any of this outside the context it belongs in.

Of course men and women who are dominant within the kink arena, bow down, are ruled by and work for other people in some context or other.

Of course submissive men and women within the kink arena, are bowed down to, rule over and have others working under them in some context or other.

Consensual submission and dominance is between them, their partner and whoever else they wish to tell. The rest is how they personally feel but thats as far as it goes. If it went further then I would presume that the men who I employ must be submissive and my clients, the ones I wish to sell to, must be dominant.

None of that has anything to do with dominance or submission but all to do with life.

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RE: Switch Hatred - 5/7/2014 11:26:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
<snip>
I suppose what I'm saying is: if it's not within any kink-related dynamic, I wouldn't use the words "submit" or "Dominate" to describe anything because it's an oxymoron and those words just don't belong within that context.

Maybe it's just me but those words just don't fit real-world dynamics outside of the kink arena.

ETA: Example: you can be a dominant person but still obey your boss because it's your "job" to do so.
Same with being a submissive and being a supervisor.
That doesn't mean you "switch" does it??
Whatever your erstwhile normal activity requires you to do has no bearing on whether you are a sub or a Dom/me.
And that's why I think those terms are an oxymoron when used out of context.


Power dynamics are a fascinating study in itself, I think. D/s is about a consensual power exchange.
The s-type accepts the D-type's authority and leadership. There is a devotional aspect to this arrangement.
The D-type takes over certain responsibilities for the s-type and has the final veto "vote." There is a protective aspect to this arrangement.
Ideally, they both work to ensure the other's well-being and welfare in a symbiotic manner. They take care of one another in their own ways.
Dominance/submission is not the same as BDSM Topping/bottoming. It can be, but this is not a requirement.
D/s doesn't have to involve any kink (or fetishism) whatsoever. BDSM is not the determinant in whether you have a D/s relationship dynamic.

Suppose, then, that being in a position of leadership and/or authority at work is what compels some s-types to crave being submissive at home, esp. in the bedroom.
Suppose also, that NOT needing to exert authority over others in the public arena is what compels some D-types to crave being Dominant at home, esp. in the bedroom.
Everybody's mileage will vary, of course.
But it is almost cliché for me (and my Domme friends) to hear submissive men talk about how stressful their high-powered jobs are, and how much they NEED to abdicate power in their private life.
In these particular cases, I don't believe it is a coincidence that this power "switch" is unrelated to their public/private personae.

There is more to S/switching than meets the eye. And there are many (consensual) D/s couples who do not practice BDSM at all.
NO Bondage
NO Discipline (or very little, although this component is more common)
NO Sadism
NO Masochism

[Edited for typo]

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RE: Switch Hatred - 5/7/2014 11:41:02 AM   
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There is more to S/switching than meets the eye. And there are many (consensual) D/s couples who do not practice BDSM at all.

I think it's exactly this that's the square peg in the round hole syndrome.
What you are depicting is within a kink dynamic - not the outside world.

To me, you either able to switch or you don't. It's as simple as that.
And.... It only applies inside a kink dynamic and has nothing to do with "outside" in real life.

The other scenarios could well be a consequence of their profession; but it's still independant of being a sub or Dom/me.

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RE: Switch Hatred - 5/8/2014 2:47:45 PM   
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Y'all can retreat to your private fiefdoms at the end of the day,
but when you (plural) agree to work for someone, get contracted out for a job, or take on a client...You become their bitch.
Whoever works for you becomes your bitch.

What you can negotiate beforehand is that you don't do windows, or the equivalent thereof.

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RE: Switch Hatred - 5/8/2014 5:27:22 PM   
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I don't hate someone who labels themselves a switch but I do avoid them as potential relationship material. A few males I have encountered labeled themselves a "switch" when they were Doms. I will admit I didn't take long enough to figure out if they were Tops. I am all Domme and have no interest in ever being dominated on any level. So I wouldn't use the term hatred. But they aren't my preference. Now op in my vanilla life I have met a few and it was fine.



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RE: Switch Hatred - 5/9/2014 2:47:30 AM   
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Sorry... New here and i just read this. I'm a switch...with my subs I did have my needs met and with my Dom's my needs were met. You need differently from different people and situations right? No Dom is identical and neither is every sub. We're people with needs yes...but you can't tell me its that easy. I love my roles and can tell you my sub got all he needed from me and my Dom's will tell you I am obedient. Yes there are things I have to comprise about as well as they do. But I feel there's honestly no need to judge or make assumptions.

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RE: Switch Hatred - 5/11/2014 3:49:44 AM   
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@ epiphiny

Ironically I think your detailed explanation comprises precisely the reason I don't 'do' switches any more. You write of your joy in finding a domme who will 'inspire' and 'invite' your submission, amongst other epithets.

For me, I want the submission to be a given, always-on, because my joy as a dominant is in directing and developing it, not from repeatedly re-establishing it. For me the latter is the D/s equivalent of fuck buddyism.

Language is a most interesting construct. A tool of unparalleled utility among all of Man's creations. And a most subtle and, for many, permanent trap of devious evil.
First, "Epithets" in your context suggest not that much acquaintance with English. It's a term describing someone, I was Not describing Dommes, switches or anyone else. I was describing my reactions to how I perceive particular women, the ones who I feel the desire and energy to be submissive to.
You know nothing about me from CME's need to label me 'switch'. (the other choices are even less accurate) And assume much. Your reading was deficient in other ways, still assuming I 'need' either to be dominant or submissive. I ENJOY (Or better, am emotionally involved in) submission to particular people. And it feeds what I'll call my kinks, for lack of a better commonly used term.
I Might enjoy domination with particular people. Usually Very different people from those Few who are attractive to me as Dommes. It's a rare and not long lived desire. It's the instant assumption while knowing Nothing about me but some label, that I Will try to top from the bottom or to reverse the dynamics of the F/m relationship I've tried to encourage, that is so frustrating to me and dysfunctional for my prospective partner. Just as you are not the Dommes I've known. I am not the 'switches' you've known.

The problem of language is that each word or concept is a construction of our intellect, NOT an inherently accurate description of reality. If we are lucky, it is usefully close. Surviving constructs over time are useful enough to become part of the language, which most will assume is a good model of reality. Not! We use words as much because we have no other useful constructs or because the idea fits our other preconceived notions of what reality is. or feeds our ego about who we are. Only those who understand this deeply really do use language fully and escape it's construct bound limitations. Creative writers who invent new words or meanings inform us to new possibilities are such. Those who find all existing words inadequate and create a new one are others who grasp language as a flawed tool. "Synergy", Fuller's wonderful contribution to systems dynamics, is a particular favorite of mine.
I believe we are all unique. Those who feel dominants, switches and submissives comprise an adequate tertiary division of power exchanging adults are similar to those who don't get the joke, Humans come in 10 varieties, those who understand binary notation and those who don't. You are the prisoner of your language or it's master.
As another poster's personal crusade goes, much of what is said of switches is 'othering', making them different from 'us'. We all are different, and none of us are. You are different from other Dommes, but all switches are alike??

It is our time's belief that each has the right to their own attractions and distastes. It's equally true that these are often based on false views or understandings of what that person is. Maybe racial politics helps illustrated the point. It's OK to be uncomfortable around Caucasians or non-Caucasians (which ever you aren't ) because you simply have those emotions. It's not OK to dislike them because you hold derogatory and false notions about what those of another color are as human beings, such as drug ridden, diseased, exploitative, etc. You have the right to be 'disinterested' in switches. You are in far higher esteem among many if you actually understood what each particular 'switch' is. I'm absolutely certain I'm wholly different from the 'switches' who have initially interested you and then disappointed. I'll hazard a guess most other switches are as well.
For now I'll accept the wisdom of OriginalRebel's
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As far as people not liking you if you don't fit in the right box (on here), that's on them. What empty and insecure lives they must have if they can't like a switch. If anything it does the switches a huge favour because it sorts out the good healthy characters from the idiots.
Which is a bit harsh of a term, not one I'd use for anyone I see enough value in to bother replying to.
If someone is so controlled by a web site's (0r any) limited set of labels they/you won't take the time to get to actually know a person, I see a bunch of similar needs to fit reality into a few not particularly useful words as an approach to life, not what works in the people I choose to have around me. "Curious" might best describe those of an opposite approach to the unknown, either people or events. The future keeps inventing itself as unique and unanticipated combinations of both the known and the unknown aspects of the present. So do people. If they/you can't escape the prison of the constructs 'you' already know, the future is going to be a fairly confusing and unhappy place. Or at least a Lot more limited in enjoyable people than it could be.

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RE: Switch Hatred - 5/11/2014 6:46:54 AM   
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A dominant with a masochistic streak is still considered a switch


Where did you get that idea? I'm truly surprised hear that.

Dominance is a personality trait and relates to the hierarchy within a relationship. Masochism is about play. Even if a dominant says "I want you to do X to me", the type of sensation the dominant feels has nothing to do with who is in charge.

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RE: Switch Hatred - 5/11/2014 6:51:18 AM   
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What if the person is dominant in the relationship, but wants the submissive to take control and hurt the dominant during that encounter? The like being in control, except when they're being hurt? Switch then?

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RE: Switch Hatred - 5/11/2014 7:51:22 AM   
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This one runs into the crossing of many things, and yes, there are genuinely people out there who claim switches aren't 'authentic', I have a friend of mine, whom I haven't seen in a number of years, who is well known in the BD/SM community, is about as genuine as they come IMO, strives to help others (including myself), who teaches at leather events and otherwise is one heck of a person, who is a switch and has taken shit from the "real" crowd, that she would be more 'respected' if she "chose"....*arrrgh*.

Part of this is the incredible human need to label and define things and for some, to be the ones who label it. It is like bisexuality, where some people (both straight and gay, interestingly) deny it exists and says the person is striving to hide their being gay, or 'they are really straight, but know that a same sex partner can give them more pleasure" *gag*. For others, it is because switches are gray in their world of black and white, and they can't stand that, like religious fundamentalists, they need it all black and white.

The other confusion is the axes of the D/s and S/M side of things, switch gets confusing the way top/bottom and D/s get conflated. Someone visualizes a domme, and it is some woman wearing leather and taking a whip to a sub (not to mention stereotypes of dominants with subs who are doormats, 'lowly worms', etc), so they couldn't see how, for example, a dominant could like being whipped by their sub, as just one example of confusion. We love labels, and we love them to be simple, but people aren't, and here two dimensions, for example, kind of turn away from stereotypes and it confuses people (kind of like in some ways people would expect a lesbian woman to be butch, looking masculine, and get shocked when they meet a lesbian woman who is very femme, girly girly, whatever..or they meet a transwoman who doesn't wear makeup, dresses and heels and so forth, but rather wears jeans and sneakers and t shirts:).

If we limit it to the D/s side, and leave out the play aspect, the problem is that people have trouble grasping contexts and roles. If they are into 24/7 D/s, and they are dominant or submissive, they can't see those roles changing, but that is because that is their experience (and for them, that is quite real, obviously, and it doesn't make them bigoted). The problem is that there are people to whom switching is a natural thing. For example, couple could have a 24/7 D/s, but as part of that, the D wants the s to take control, be the dominant, for stretches of time. That to me would be a switch couple, since they switch roles, but they could argue that they always have the D/s since they 'switch' as part of their broader life......and in their view, that makes sense (and hopefully it does..). And then you get into poly relationships, where let's say a wife is the D, husband is s, but the D is also the s to another woman (or man)....that would make the D a switch, but does that make her D/s with her husband any less powerful? No, they are 24/7 TPE, and her relationship with the other D is pretty strong D/s, too (yes, they had to negotiate boundaries, as with any poly, and the other D has no desire to hurt the married relationship of the D to her husband). The D in this case in a sense doesn't identify as switch, because she doesn't switch in her primary relationship, and in her other one she is totally S.

One of the reasons I have heard switches derided is because switching is common with people who aren't 24/7, who do most of the D/s in the bedroom, and there already are those who look down on anything but a 24/7 D/s.......

I also want to comment there is a difference between switch hatred and those who a)can't understand it, because they are very much wired into one or the other or B) don't want to get involved with switches. The haters are those who proclaim real people know what they are and that is D or s, or those who want everything clean, get uncomfortable when it is gray, and denigrate that which makes them uncomfortable.

The latter group aren't haters (necessarily, more on that in a bit), for the a) people, it simply is they can't grasp it, the way, for example, a lot of men can't understand why someone who was born male would have the need to take hormones and transition and live as a woman, they get a visceral reaction to it because they totally can't understand it (this is an analogy, not saying it is necessarily the same thing)......the b's are people who want someone who is 100% their opposite and have either experienced switches that couldn't meet their needs or simply can't get their head around that a switch can be a dominant for them......there are some in both groups who turn to haters, there are gay men who to this day think M to F T women are gay men who 'run away from being gay' and who should "embrace" their maleness rather than 'mutilate' themselves, and there are those D's and s's who see a switch and not only don't want to get involved with them, but have a mean reaction, either because it questions their own idea of themselves, or because they have had bad experiences or heard from the grapevine, and assume switches will cheat on them to get their 'other side' met, or are somehow going to use them....it is much like bisexuality, lot of gay men and women don't like people who are bi because they automatically assume the person is a dabbler out for kicks and as soon as the right guy or woman comes along, they will be gone, or will be cheating because they are bi, and they react with hate.....


While I think the label has meaning, I think the reality is everyone is different and the label has many meanings, and the key to knowing someone is to ignore the label and have them talk about themselves, and then see if there is compatibility.

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RE: Switch Hatred - 5/11/2014 3:24:34 PM   
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What if the person is dominant in the relationship, but wants the submissive to take control and hurt the dominant during that encounter? The like being in control, except when they're being hurt? Switch then?


Not in my book. They're still in control. What's the difference between saying "kiss my ass, spank my ass", "lick my nipples vs twist my nipples", "suck vs bite".

The dominant chooses whether they want to spank or caress their submissive. The dominant chooses whether the submissive will spank or caress the dominant.

The dominant can say "beat me beat me". The submissive complies.

The submissive says "beat me beat me". The dominant can say or no.

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RE: Switch Hatred - 5/11/2014 4:07:18 PM   
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I think you missed my point, Evesgreen, and that was actually an example of me.

I am quasi-dominant in everyday life. I'm just the leader, and he's the follower. He just prefers not to make decisions, and I prefer to make them and lead. I don't like protocol or command, and if I did demand that, I'd lose my guy within a second. It's just whatever it is and I love this. We didn't seek this style of relationship, it just happened.

Get me into the bedroom or S/M, and I like him to take control 60-70% of the time. He knows it, no orders, he knows I like him taking control. He likes being in control. He's not ordered to do anything, not required to do it, not told to hurt me (in fact I tell him not to and fight it) he just does it and I love it and so does he.

I'm me. I don't care what people call me anymore, but most seem to class me as a switch.

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RE: Switch Hatred - 5/11/2014 6:32:10 PM   
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I happen to agree with evesgrden's position about the Dominant being in charge of how interactions unfold with her/his submissive.

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ORIGINAL: evesgrden
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ORIGINAL: FightingChains

What if the person is dominant in the relationship, but wants the submissive to take control and hurt the dominant during that encounter? The like being in control, except when they're being hurt? Switch then?

Not in my book. They're still in control. What's the difference between saying "kiss my ass, spank my ass", "lick my nipples vs twist my nipples", "suck vs bite".

The dominant chooses whether they want to spank or caress their submissive. The dominant chooses whether the submissive will spank or caress the dominant.

The dominant can say "beat me beat me". The submissive complies.

The submissive says "beat me beat me". The dominant can say or no.

In your particular case, FightingChains, I believe that aside from you and your partner being S/switches with one another, you are a Dominant masochist. You choose to bottom as a masochist with your partner.
From how it sounds not just from this post, it appears you have the more Dominant role in your relationship dynamic, and your partner is more submissive to you or defers to you more often.
You've been with one another in an LTR where you both know the routine. Originally, I believe, you spearheaded how you wanted your dynamic interfaces to take place.
It wasn't his idea to suddenly start taking control of your encounters with your acquiescence because he decided he wanted your submission. He would be more of a sado-submissive in relation to meeting your needs and his own.

I personally know a male sado-submissive who doesn't have to be told when he is expected to do service Topping, and he says he feels submissive while doing it; in fact, more submissive than when he bottoms because he has to overcome his natural tendencies in this regard in order to please his play partner.
I know of (but not personally) a female sado-submissive who Tops her masochistic Dominant on occasion.
There are masochistic Dominants who enjoy being flogged, caned, bound and/or hung in suspension, or what have you. Their s-types didn't suddenly take on the authority within their D/s relationships. The Dominant continues to stay in charge of the scene.

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RE: Switch Hatred - 5/11/2014 9:28:44 PM   
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In my encounters, I don't get that much out of the pain. I get it out of being controlled. Out of control. Helpless. Is this masochism? I'd say the like of "being out of control" element doesn't class as part of masochism, but I could be wrong.

As far as I'm concerned, I'm a BDSM switch. I top and I bottom. I control and I am controlled. I hurt (if allowed) and I get hurt.
I'm a D/s dominant. I am the leader and decision maker.

And just to correct you: if you're right that I'm a dominant alone, then I'm a dominant sadomasochist, not a dominant masochist. I have a very strong sadistic streak.;)

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RE: Switch Hatred - 5/11/2014 10:01:31 PM   
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In my encounters, I don't get that much out of the pain. I get it out of being controlled. Out of control. Helpless. Is this masochism? I'd say the like of "being out of control" element doesn't class as part of masochism, but I could be wrong.

As far as I'm concerned, I'm a BDSM switch. I top and I bottom. I control and I am controlled. I hurt (if allowed) and I get hurt.
I'm a D/s dominant. I am the leader and decision maker.

And just to correct you: if you're right that I'm a dominant alone, then I'm a dominant sadomasochist, not a dominant masochist. I have a very strong sadistic streak.;)

I would assume that all masochistic Dominants are actually sado-masochistic Dominants. You do have a point there. Does this mean that a sado-sub is really a sado-masochistic sub, then, I wonder....
On second thought, my friend is not a masochist. He has a hard time finding a compatible Domme who isn't sadistic, so I suppose this doesn't necessarily go together.
If it's the forced control aspect that has ascendancy, then you're more into consensual non-consent. Offhand, I don't know what that's called, other than being a kink in itself?

You (and your partner) just might be in a class by yourself/yourselves, yano.

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RE: Switch Hatred - 5/11/2014 10:38:55 PM   
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Seriously, Fiery? You'd assume that a masochistic dominant is a sadomasochistic dominant? Why? What's the basis for that assumption? Being a dominant doesn't make you a sadist, and being a masochist doesn't make you a sadist, so it seems an odd assumption to make.

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RE: Switch Hatred - 5/11/2014 11:43:25 PM   
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And just to correct you: if you're right that I'm a dominant alone, then I'm a dominant sadomasochist, not a dominant masochist. I have a very strong sadistic streak.;)

Obviously, you are more of a Switch than a Dom or Top. I was referring to that aspect of yourself which can be Dominant and which is masochistic, not to the aspect of yourself which is sadistic. However, since you made mention of having a "very strong sadistic streak," then I thought it apropos to include this aspect as well.

An on-line Domme friend of mine is sadistic. She told me there are times when she wants to be flogged, but she is mortified by the thought of telling her next sub this because she doesn't want to lose his respect by revealing that she has any masochistic desires.
She would argue that she is not a sado-masochistic Dominant. That's up to her to decide, regardless of my opinion on the matter.
I don't know any Dominants who have a masochistic streak who aren't also sadistic, but this is a very small sampling. I have no doubt that there are.

I never meant to imply in any way that being Dominant means one is sadistic. I know many Dominants, including myself, who are not sadistic, not masochistic, nor sado-masochistic.
There are plenty of submissives who are not masochistic, and masochists who would not consider themselves submissive.

Hopefully, this cleared up my position(s) or lack of conclusiveness thereof.

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RE: Switch Hatred - 5/12/2014 6:10:07 AM   
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My narrow brain is unable to process the concept of a switch being a dominant. I am attracted to raw dominance. So I like switches as friends, but not for D/S.

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