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Bad guys look for weakness to attack. When they can't look out and predict who can fight back, they turn to burglary and car theft.

No, burglars just want your fucking TV. They'd prefer to steal your shit when you were out. Actually confronting a homeowner is not something they're interested in.
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Bad guys look for weakness to attack. When they can't look out and predict who can fight back, they turn to burglary and car theft.

No, burglars just want your fucking TV. They'd prefer to steal your shit when you were out. Actually confronting a homeowner is not something they're interested in.
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Someone ought to inform the person that broke into Kyle Burger's house, or the person that broke into an elderly couple's home and stabbed the husband.

But mostly you're correct: robbers don't want to confront homeowners because the robbers are scared of being shot by the homeowners.

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Bad guys look for weakness to attack. When they can't look out and predict who can fight back, they turn to burglary and car theft.

No, burglars just want your fucking TV. They'd prefer to steal your shit when you were out. Actually confronting a homeowner is not something they're interested in.
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Someone ought to inform the person that broke into Kyle Burger's house, or the person that broke into an elderly couple's home and stabbed the husband.

But mostly you're correct: robbers don't want to confront homeowners because the robbers are scared of being shot by the homeowners.

When do you know that they are a home invader and not a peaceloving harmless burglar? When they start carving you up or raping your wife.
In other words when it is too late to avoid injury.

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No, burglars just want your fucking TV. They'd prefer to steal your shit when you were out. Actually confronting a homeowner is not something they're interested in.

Home invaders want your wife, you life, or both.
You are in effect saying that if someone breaks into your home you have to pretend that they don't want to harm anyone, they are compasionate people who have fallen on hard times, and you have no right to protect your property.
If they do turn violent it is solely because you didn't have the common curtesy to run from your home and leaving it to them. Where in the world do you get the idea that they are such nice people?

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Yea, I am sure this women lacked the essential manhood to take on 3 men on her own. And of course it wasn't about self-defense. I am sure those 3 fine young men were only there to make sure she was sleeping well. They couldn't have had anything bad in mind when they came in her house.

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/detroit-woman-shoots-at-3-intruders-1-in-custody-2-on-run

but keep pretending you know everything about how people click. It is amusing to watch you bluster on.

A woman with a gun in the house is statistically more likely to have it taken from her and used on her. Single-example click-bait articles may give you a warm fuzzy feeling, but the harsh statistical reality is that guns in houses = more dead women.

Christ, people are depressingly stupid.

I would imagine if that were true these boards would be flooded with links proving guns are actually putting women in more danger. But hang on to your delusions, like I said it's amusing to watch you bluster.

Links, you say?

From the National Resource Center on Domestic Violence:

"A woman is far more likely to be the victim of a handgun homicide than to use a handgun in a justifiable homicide."

"A study found that for every time a woman used a handgun to kill an intimate partner in self-defense, 83 women were murdered by an intimate partner with a handgun."

"When a gun is in the house, an abused woman is 6 times more likely than other abused women to be killed."

"Research indicates that firearms are the most frequently used weapon in domestic violence homicides."

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From Harvard Injury Control Research Center, Harvard School of Public Health:

"Across developed nations, where guns are more available, there are more homicides of women. The United States has the most firearms and U.S. women are far more likely to be homicide victims than women in other developed countries."

"Women in states with many guns have elevated rates of unintentional gun deaths, suicides and homicide, particularly firearm suicides and firearm homicides."

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"We found that guns in the home are used more often to frighten intimates than to thwart crime; other weapons are far more commonly used against intruders than are guns."

"We found that firearms are used far more often to frighten and intimidate than they are used in self-defense."

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"The evidence is overwhelming for the fact that a gun in the home is a risk factor for completed suicide and that gun accidents are most likely to occur in homes with guns. There is compelling evidence that a gun in the home is a risk factor for intimidation and for killing women in their homes. On the benefit side, there are fewer studies, and there is no credible evidence of a deterrent effect of firearms or that a gun in the home reduces the likelihood or severity of injury during an altercation or break-in."

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Yea, I am sure this women lacked the essential manhood to take on 3 men on her own. And of course it wasn't about self-defense. I am sure those 3 fine young men were only there to make sure she was sleeping well. They couldn't have had anything bad in mind when they came in her house.

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/detroit-woman-shoots-at-3-intruders-1-in-custody-2-on-run

but keep pretending you know everything about how people click. It is amusing to watch you bluster on.

A woman with a gun in the house is statistically more likely to have it taken from her and used on her. Single-example click-bait articles may give you a warm fuzzy feeling, but the harsh statistical reality is that guns in houses = more dead women.

Christ, people are depressingly stupid.

I would imagine if that were true these boards would be flooded with links proving guns are actually putting women in more danger. But hang on to your delusions, like I said it's amusing to watch you bluster.

Links, you say?

From the National Resource Center on Domestic Violence:

"A woman is far more likely to be the victim of a handgun homicide than to use a handgun in a justifiable homicide."

"A study found that for every time a woman used a handgun to kill an intimate partner in self-defense, 83 women were murdered by an intimate partner with a handgun."

"When a gun is in the house, an abused woman is 6 times more likely than other abused women to be killed."

"Research indicates that firearms are the most frequently used weapon in domestic violence homicides."

Source

From Harvard Injury Control Research Center, Harvard School of Public Health:

"Across developed nations, where guns are more available, there are more homicides of women. The United States has the most firearms and U.S. women are far more likely to be homicide victims than women in other developed countries."

"Women in states with many guns have elevated rates of unintentional gun deaths, suicides and homicide, particularly firearm suicides and firearm homicides."

Source


"We found that guns in the home are used more often to frighten intimates than to thwart crime; other weapons are far more commonly used against intruders than are guns."

"We found that firearms are used far more often to frighten and intimidate than they are used in self-defense."

Source

"The evidence is overwhelming for the fact that a gun in the home is a risk factor for completed suicide and that gun accidents are most likely to occur in homes with guns. There is compelling evidence that a gun in the home is a risk factor for intimidation and for killing women in their homes. On the benefit side, there are fewer studies, and there is no credible evidence of a deterrent effect of firearms or that a gun in the home reduces the likelihood or severity of injury during an altercation or break-in."

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This is why I post a 'CRIME FREE ZONE' sign on my property and I encourage everyone to do the same.

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Someone (they oppose the use of firearms for self defense) in another thread argues that if self defense allows you to shoot and kill someone it allows you to (when unarmed) to continue beating a helpless attacker until the are dead. Does anyone else see hypocrisy in this.

No, I actually think it throws into sharp relief the inevitable consequences of believing that citizens should carry guns for "self-defense".

Guns aren't about self-defense. Guns are about power. Americans are addicted to guns because you're weak-minded, pathetic, pitiful excuses for men who need a weapon to bolster your sense of personal power. Because you lack the essential manhood and masculine approach to the world which gives you that sense of personal power - a personal power based upon your capability, self-belief and approach to life.

The gun makes you feel powerful and you're psychologically addicted to that feeling. That's why you fight tooth and nail to keep your guns - because your entire identity and self-worth is tied up in your possession of a weapon. Without that weapon you know full well you'll feel like a lesser man... not realising of course, that you already are a lesser man.

All of the debate about gun rights is just a smokescreen to cover your fear of having your crutch taken away from you.

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All one has to do is Google Violence Policy Center and you'll come up with crap loads of links pointing to lie after lie from this gun control advocacy organization.

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And yes, women are most likely to be killed by an intimate partner. That does not mean she should not also have protection from home invaders.

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This is why I post a 'CRIME FREE ZONE' sign on my property and I encourage everyone to do the same.

I would encourage all the anti gun people here in the US to post a 'GUN FREE HOME' sign on their property.

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Nnanji says that women are much safer armed and fighting back. I have learned that all my life, so I believe it without question. But just because we are safer armed and fighting back at that particular time, in that particular instance, it doesn't seem to mean that we are safer in general because we possess a gun. It seems that the risk of our gun being used against us at some point is greater than the risk of becoming a victim in a confrontation when a gun might have helped us.

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Now, I admit it. I haven't read through all 50 some-odd pages of the thread, so perhaps I'm a little off topic.

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This is why I post a 'CRIME FREE ZONE' sign on my property and I encourage everyone to do the same.

I would encourage all the anti gun people here in the US to post a 'GUN FREE HOME' sign on their property.

I would be happy to, right next to my "BEWARE OF ATTACK DOGS" sign. :)