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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 5/22/2014 11:15:59 AM

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The person being shot at has no idea if a "warning shot" wasn't just a poorly aimed head shot. That is one of the reasons the whole concept of such is no longer well thought of by serious gun people.

What qualifies you to speak for "serious gun people"?
What the fuck is a "serious gun person?

If you point a gun at someone it says I intend to kill you.

Only in the mind of a psychopath or a sociopath. You are allowed to speak for yourself and no one else.
For some pointing a gun at someone says "you need to pay speical attention to what I am about to say"

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 5/22/2014 11:36:30 AM

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According to the course the Montgomery PD provided for new cwp holders Alabama law (prior to
those "terrible" stand your ground and castle laws) required a warning shot even when in yourown home.
One of the instructors, however, pointed out that when the police arrived they had no way of knowing if the round in the ceiling was the first or the last one fired as long as the intruder was pleading his case before a much "higher" court.

I find it instructive that someone who typically has no trust in the govt/cops finds this to be something that they do trust.. Have you ever wondered why cops kill themselves so often?

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 5/22/2014 11:46:48 AM

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Or why they should, come to that?

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 5/22/2014 12:59:58 PM

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There is no way to make shot both a warning and "away" from the person you want to warn.

Are you actually telling me that if you fire into the air or the ground it isn't a warning shot?
Too many movies.

If you are pointing a gun in my general direction and it goes off I'll assume you meant to hit me and I'll take appropriate action. Tell me you won't do the same.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 5/22/2014 1:02:22 PM

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There is no way to make shot both a warning and "away" from the person you want to warn.

Are you actually telling me that if you fire into the air or the ground it isn't a warning shot?
Too many movies.

If you are pointing a gun in my general direction and it goes off I'll assume you meant to hit me and I'll take appropriate action. Tell me you won't do the same.

If I am pointing my gun in someones direction and it "goes off' they won't do anything.
And I already told you I don't believe in firing warning shots.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 5/22/2014 2:37:10 PM

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As I understand the terrain, there is no real viewing area by other people to where the guy was taking a piss. Its not like he's in Central Park, NYC, NY, pissing on a tree in the early afternoon with hundreds of people around him. There would likely be...NOBODY....around. So some lunatic with a shotgun comes out, claiming to be the owner of the land. It could just as easily be some crazy lunatic recently escaped from the mental ward as well!

Its generally common sense when it comes to 'watering a tree'. You do so out of sight from everyone to be considerate. Is what the guy was doing to that tree (i.e. pissing on it) REALLY going to do something bad to the tree? If the guy was taking a piss on the front lawn, backyard or anywhere within sight of civilization....THEN....the homeowner would have a decent argument. But out in the middle of nowhere woods? Trespassing is what? A $25 dollar fine in most states? Does it warrant a lunatic with a shotgun, firing: A) In the Air, or B ) Firing at people? No and No. That's a person in SERIOUS need of a mental health specialist.

Besides, shit like that, undermines gun ownership by Americans.

Landowner: "What the hell are you doing, dude?"

Guy Taking Piss: "Just taking a piss and getting back into the boat. Sorry to intrude!"

Landowner: "Oh.....ok.....bye...."

Not excusing the guy, but from what I read a while ago what he was upset about was that he would bring his grand-children down to the river and didn't want to walk down and have them see anyone watering trees. He also said he was constantly having to cleanup trash, liquor containers, condoms, tampons,etc. from the shore-line. Again, not excusing the guy, but imagine taking the grand-kids for a walk along what used to be a pristine shore and having to step around human waste. On land he thought he owned. It might make anyone a tad bit cranky.

As far as I'm concerned, there really wasn't anyone right in this situation. The shooter was wrong. He wasn't on his property as he thought. He should have gone and called the cops and let them handle it once he left. But if he didn't know exactly where he was, then neither did the kids. If you're told that you're trespassing, and you don't know for sure that you're not, don't you leave? As opposed to getting loud and threatening? And when the trespassing issue is further pushed with a gun, why the hell would you NOT leave?

There are just so many places that this could have been averted.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 5/22/2014 2:53:19 PM

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There is no way to make shot both a warning and "away" from the person you want to warn.

Are you actually telling me that if you fire into the air or the ground it isn't a warning shot?
Too many movies.

If you are pointing a gun in my general direction and it goes off I'll assume you meant to hit me and I'll take appropriate action. Tell me you won't do the same.

I'm sorry, but I'm not following your point here. Are you saying that there's no such thing as a warning shot? Because if not, you seem to be being contrary. You can't aim away from the target and it still be a warning shot, and you can't aim in their general direction. So where exactly can someone aim? If I point my gun at the ground, pull the trigger, you're going to say that you'd consider that a "miss"? Seems like a stretch.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 5/22/2014 9:20:06 PM

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that woman who went nuts at the McDonald's drive thru .

OMG!.. so that is what going thru chicken mcnugget withdrawal is like, huh? what do they put in them mcnuggets anyway?

. That crazy bitch said she'd go super saiyan on her.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 5/23/2014 8:29:38 PM

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never mind

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/13/2016 12:16:12 PM

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A foot has to plant, can easily be timed. And it gets closer and closer as the mugger runs at you.

Damn good bet.

The actual subject is Guns Flowing Into Mexico, Bama, so I would say you missed the shot twice.

The last set of pages haven't even touched on that subject they have been devoted to this stupid argument.
By the time you can calculate when and where the foot will plant you can have three in the chest.

How about we take it back to the proper thread?

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/13/2016 12:18:36 PM

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A foot has to plant, can easily be timed. And it gets closer and closer as the mugger runs at you.

Damn good bet.

The actual subject is Guns Flowing Into Mexico, Bama, so I would say you missed the shot twice.

The last set of pages haven't even touched on that subject they have been devoted to this stupid argument.
By the time you can calculate when and where the foot will plant you can have three in the chest.

Which is exactly to my point. You wish to kill someone. Shooting someone in the foot wont usually accomplish that.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/13/2016 6:07:43 PM

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If I am pointing my gun in someones direction and it "goes off' they won't do anything.
And I already told you I don't believe in firing warning shots.

You have also told us that you are not a very good shot...since you aim for com instead of a disabling shot.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/13/2016 6:28:57 PM

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If some crazy fucker comes at me with an axe I'll fire a warning shot into the ground immediately after he takes a warning swing into the ground.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/13/2016 7:23:30 PM

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If some crazy fucker comes at me with an axe I'll fire a warning shot into the ground immediately after he takes a warning swing into the ground.

My dad was a cop. He taught us to only fire a warning shot if there are two or more of them.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/13/2016 7:30:10 PM

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A foot has to plant, can easily be timed. And it gets closer and closer as the mugger runs at you.

Damn good bet.

The actual subject is Guns Flowing Into Mexico, Bama, so I would say you missed the shot twice.

The last set of pages haven't even touched on that subject they have been devoted to this stupid argument.
By the time you can calculate when and where the foot will plant you can have three in the chest.

How about we take it back to the proper thread?

Why are you resurrecting a 2014 thread to complain about a wholly different thread?

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/13/2016 7:33:28 PM

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A foot has to plant, can easily be timed. And it gets closer and closer as the mugger runs at you.

Damn good bet.

The actual subject is Guns Flowing Into Mexico, Bama, so I would say you missed the shot twice.

The last set of pages haven't even touched on that subject they have been devoted to this stupid argument.
By the time you can calculate when and where the foot will plant you can have three in the chest.

How about we take it back to the proper thread?

Why are you resurrecting a 2014 thread to complain about a wholly different thread?

Particularlly since he is the person who derailed the other thread.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/14/2016 12:33:52 AM

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Someone (they oppose the use of firearms for self defense) in another thread argues that if self defense allows you to shoot and kill someone it allows you to (when unarmed) to continue beating a helpless attacker until the are dead. Does anyone else see hypocrisy in this.

Err... no. There's no hypocrisy in that statement. It's a logical argument.

The poster you referred to may have said something else that might by hypocritical, but given the paraphrasing you've used, the answer is nope; there is no hypocrisy in that statement.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/14/2016 4:30:47 AM

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A foot has to plant, can easily be timed. And it gets closer and closer as the mugger runs at you.

Damn good bet.

The actual subject is Guns Flowing Into Mexico, Bama, so I would say you missed the shot twice.

The last set of pages haven't even touched on that subject they have been devoted to this stupid argument.
By the time you can calculate when and where the foot will plant you can have three in the chest.

How about we take it back to the proper thread?

Why are you resurrecting a 2014 thread to complain about a wholly different thread?

Particularlly since he is the person who derailed the other thread.

Liar. It is little wonder that your post are looked upon with such dirision. That thread was derailed by this post #98 in the guns flowing into mexico" thread by imfmaz..

I assume anyone able to legally purchase a firearm is welcome at the range assuming they can pay the entrance fee and watch the 15 minute safety video. I don't ride the bus thus have no reason to know if there's a bus stop nearby. You are more than welcome to come check.

While you're here you can show off your foot shooting technique as my offer still stands: shoot a fast-moving, foot-sized target from 25 yards and I will donate $100 to the charity of your choice. We'll probably want to head out to the desert for that as shooting at the ground will get you removed from the range.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/14/2016 7:20:44 AM

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This is strictly to reply to the question/title. I have read almost nothing of this thread.

The way I see the question is that I was endowed by my Creator with at least three rights which are specifically named in the Declaration: life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

If you attack me, my life could certainly be at stake, but even if it isn't ...

Once I beat you to a pulp to defend myself, how do I know that you won't be lurking about, looking for another chance to finish what you started. A lifetime spent looking over my shoulder waiting for to return doesn't sound like any definition of "liberty" that I've ever heard.

If I leave you alive and I'm being vigilant against a follow-up attack (allowing you to take away my liberty), I'm prevented from pursuing happiness.

So, I believe that if you attack me, I have every right to make sure that you are never able to attack me, again.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/14/2016 7:34:50 AM

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This is strictly to reply to the question/title. I have read almost nothing of this thread.

The way I see the question is that I was endowed by my Creator with at least three rights which are specifically named in the Declaration: life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

If you attack me, my life could certainly be at stake, but even if it isn't ...

Once I beat you to a pulp to defend myself, how do I know that you won't be lurking about, looking for another chance to finish what you started. A lifetime spent looking over my shoulder waiting for to return doesn't sound like any definition of "liberty" that I've ever heard.

If I leave you alive and I'm being vigilant against a follow-up attack (allowing you to take away my liberty), I'm prevented from pursuing happiness.

So, I believe that if you attack me, I have every right to make sure that you are never able to attack me, again.

Hope you enjoy showering with hairy legged boys.

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