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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/14/2016 7:39:30 AM

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This is strictly to reply to the question/title. I have read almost nothing of this thread.

The way I see the question is that I was endowed by my Creator with at least three rights which are specifically named in the Declaration: life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

If you attack me, my life could certainly be at stake, but even if it isn't ...

Once I beat you to a pulp to defend myself, how do I know that you won't be lurking about, looking for another chance to finish what you started. A lifetime spent looking over my shoulder waiting for to return doesn't sound like any definition of "liberty" that I've ever heard.

If I leave you alive and I'm being vigilant against a follow-up attack (allowing you to take away my liberty), I'm prevented from pursuing happiness.

So, I believe that if you attack me, I have every right to make sure that you are never able to attack me, again.

Michael

have you seen the movie ender's game? some of what you are talking about here is a central and essential theme running through the story. its worth watching in that regard alone. I think the movie raises some excellent questions.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/14/2016 7:49:14 AM

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have you seen the movie ender's game? some of what you are talking about here is a central and essential theme running through the story. its worth watching in that regard alone. I think the movie raises some excellent questions.

There is a name for those who believe that they live in a movie script...That word is "deranged".

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/14/2016 8:09:53 AM

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In Alabama it would be as long as for example he advanced on me after being warned

You need to come to Missouri... there is legislation by our gun crazy representatives that will do the following....

1.) A Missouri lawmaker has filed a bill that would allow any legal gun owner to carry a concealed weapon without a CCW permit, eliminating all criminal penalties associated with failing to obtain a permit for a concealed weapon.

So no training or background checks here.

2.) A Missouri bill will change the Castle Doctrine to a stand your ground law... Where the Missouri law will differ from most others is this proposal would eliminate the duty to retreat for people who are in public places or on property where they are legally permitted.

So combine the two... any dumb ass can carry a gun... crazy or not... and shoot anyone they... FEEL threatened by...anywhere... with no obligation to retreat.

Bama move here it would be gun heaven for you...

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/14/2016 8:42:17 AM

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
A lifetime spent looking over my shoulder waiting for to return doesn't sound like any definition of "liberty" that I've ever heard.

If I leave you alive and I'm being vigilant against a follow-up attack (allowing you to take away my liberty), I'm prevented from pursuing happiness.

So, I believe that if you attack me, I have every right to make sure that you are never able to attack me, again.

Michael

Absolutely. If I'm in the situation where I'd have to shoot, what would be the difference if I arrived at the same goal via other means? Most people don't want to be afraid that somebody would come back.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/14/2016 8:45:57 AM

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Absolutely. If I'm in the situation where I'd have to shoot, what would be the difference if I arrived at the same goal via other means? Most people don't want to be afraid that somebody would come back.

I remain unconvinced that people come back for seconds on having a cap busted in thier ass.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/14/2016 7:28:01 PM

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In Alabama it would be as long as for example he advanced on me after being warned

You need to come to Missouri... there is legislation by our gun crazy representatives that will do the following....

1.) A Missouri lawmaker has filed a bill that would allow any legal gun owner to carry a concealed weapon without a CCW permit, eliminating all criminal penalties associated with failing to obtain a permit for a concealed weapon.

So no training or background checks here.

2.) A Missouri bill will change the Castle Doctrine to a stand your ground law... Where the Missouri law will differ from most others is this proposal would eliminate the duty to retreat for people who are in public places or on property where they are legally permitted.

So combine the two... any dumb ass can carry a gun... crazy or not... and shoot anyone they... FEEL threatened by...anywhere... with no obligation to retreat.

Bama move here it would be gun heaven for you...

Our stand your ground law is the same as what your legislature is trying to pass. Quess what, no gunfights in the middle of the street.
No background checks? Doesn't allow criminals to carry though, now does it.
When I grew up in Mo it was an open carry state, no permits, and far less crime than there is today.
In fact while I was first away in the military people came into the town and it was patroled every night by armed civilians (mixed black and white) who suplimented the PD and kept trouble from starting.
But I am from outstate MO not that cesspool you live in, not that it is in any way your fault it is a cesspool.

Don't you still need permission from the Sheriff do by a handgun, you did when I lived there, so when you get the gun legally you have a background check.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/14/2016 7:59:58 PM

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A foot has to plant, can easily be timed. And it gets closer and closer as the mugger runs at you.

Damn good bet.

The actual subject is Guns Flowing Into Mexico, Bama, so I would say you missed the shot twice.

The last set of pages haven't even touched on that subject they have been devoted to this stupid argument.
By the time you can calculate when and where the foot will plant you can have three in the chest.

How about we take it back to the proper thread?

Why are you resurrecting a 2014 thread to complain about a wholly different thread?

Particularlly since he is the person who derailed the other thread.

Liar. It is little wonder that your post are looked upon with such dirision. That thread was derailed by this post #98 in the guns flowing into mexico" thread by imfmaz..

I assume anyone able to legally purchase a firearm is welcome at the range assuming they can pay the entrance fee and watch the 15 minute safety video. I don't ride the bus thus have no reason to know if there's a bus stop nearby. You are more than welcome to come check.

While you're here you can show off your foot shooting technique as my offer still stands: shoot a fast-moving, foot-sized target from 25 yards and I will donate $100 to the charity of your choice. We'll probably want to head out to the desert for that as shooting at the ground will get you removed from the range.

So now that we're in this thread, how about showing us your shooting skills?

Or should I post in a different thread?

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/14/2016 8:07:13 PM

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Which one of our resident morons revived this moronic thread?

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/14/2016 8:08:30 PM

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ORIGINAL: stef

Which one of our resident morons revived this moronic thread?

Thompson

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/14/2016 8:16:35 PM

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

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In Alabama it would be as long as for example he advanced on me after being warned

You need to come to Missouri... there is legislation by our gun crazy representatives that will do the following....

1.) A Missouri lawmaker has filed a bill that would allow any legal gun owner to carry a concealed weapon without a CCW permit, eliminating all criminal penalties associated with failing to obtain a permit for a concealed weapon.

So no training or background checks here.

It's the same in Vermont and has been for quite some time. Does blood flow in the streets? Are there mass murders every day in Vermont? Gunshots at all hours of the day? Tons of gang violence? Are people afraid to walk down the street at night?

Or is it the safest place to live in America?

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ORIGINAL: kdsub
2.) A Missouri bill will change the Castle Doctrine to a stand your ground law... Where the Missouri law will differ from most others is this proposal would eliminate the duty to retreat for people who are in public places or on property where they are legally permitted.

That's actually a great law as most mass murders take place in public, usually in "gun free zones".

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ORIGINAL: kdsub
So combine the two... any dumb ass can carry a gun... crazy or not... and shoot anyone they... FEEL threatened by...anywhere... with no obligation to retreat.

Bama move here it would be gun heaven for you...

Nah, that's still Arizona.

You seem to have an immense fear of everyone around you. What is it like being a victim on a near full-time basis?

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/14/2016 8:20:01 PM

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ORIGINAL: ifmaz

quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

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In Alabama it would be as long as for example he advanced on me after being warned

You need to come to Missouri... there is legislation by our gun crazy representatives that will do the following....

1.) A Missouri lawmaker has filed a bill that would allow any legal gun owner to carry a concealed weapon without a CCW permit, eliminating all criminal penalties associated with failing to obtain a permit for a concealed weapon.

So no training or background checks here.

It's the same in Vermont and has been for quite some time. Does blood flow in the streets? Are there mass murders every day in Vermont? Gunshots at all hours of the day? Tons of gang violence? Are people afraid to walk down the street at night?

Or is it the safest place to live in America?

quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub
2.) A Missouri bill will change the Castle Doctrine to a stand your ground law... Where the Missouri law will differ from most others is this proposal would eliminate the duty to retreat for people who are in public places or on property where they are legally permitted.

That's actually a great law as most mass murders take place in public, usually in "gun free zones".

quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub
So combine the two... any dumb ass can carry a gun... crazy or not... and shoot anyone they... FEEL threatened by...anywhere... with no obligation to retreat.

Bama move here it would be gun heaven for you...

Nah, that's still Arizona.

You seem to have an immense fear of everyone around you. What is it like being a victim on a near full-time basis?

Actually, as I have mentioned before, I don't like open carry.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/14/2016 8:25:22 PM

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ORIGINAL: ifmaz

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In Alabama it would be as long as for example he advanced on me after being warned

You need to come to Missouri... there is legislation by our gun crazy representatives that will do the following....

1.) A Missouri lawmaker has filed a bill that would allow any legal gun owner to carry a concealed weapon without a CCW permit, eliminating all criminal penalties associated with failing to obtain a permit for a concealed weapon.

So no training or background checks here.

It's the same in Vermont and has been for quite some time. Does blood flow in the streets? Are there mass murders every day in Vermont? Gunshots at all hours of the day? Tons of gang violence? Are people afraid to walk down the street at night?

Or is it the safest place to live in America?

quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub
2.) A Missouri bill will change the Castle Doctrine to a stand your ground law... Where the Missouri law will differ from most others is this proposal would eliminate the duty to retreat for people who are in public places or on property where they are legally permitted.

That's actually a great law as most mass murders take place in public, usually in "gun free zones".

quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub
So combine the two... any dumb ass can carry a gun... crazy or not... and shoot anyone they... FEEL threatened by...anywhere... with no obligation to retreat.

Bama move here it would be gun heaven for you...

Nah, that's still Arizona.

You seem to have an immense fear of everyone around you. What is it like being a victim on a near full-time basis?

You should remember, I have said several time that I don't like open carry.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/14/2016 8:36:07 PM

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I remain unconvinced that people come back for seconds on having a cap busted in thier ass.

Remaining unconvinced is ok. However, making sure the other person is dead is kind of a guarantee.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/14/2016 8:36:37 PM

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Nah, that's still Arizona.
...

You should remember, I have said several time that I don't like open carry.

IWB carry is a pain (without one of these) and makes people super-paranoid about printing.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/14/2016 8:47:31 PM

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Nah, that's still Arizona.
...

You should remember, I have said several time that I don't like open carry.

IWB carry is a pain (without one of these) and makes people super-paranoid about printing.

I have to confess to a brain cramp what does IWB mean?

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People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/14/2016 8:54:17 PM

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Nah, that's still Arizona.
...

You should remember, I have said several time that I don't like open carry.

IWB carry is a pain (without one of these) and makes people super-paranoid about printing.

I have to confess to a brain cramp what does IWB mean?

In Waist Band; nothing visible from 'the outside', as it were, as the firearm is in a holster next to your skin, inside your pants. Not quite as sexy as it may sound.

OWB is Out of Waist Band; the holster is on the outer side of the waist band.

Open carry is OWB. Concealed carry can be OWB (if under a shirt) or, more commonly, IWB. The problem with IWB is the grip of the firearm tends to rub against your skin in holsters like the King Tuck or whatever. The N82 holster is the best one I've found as it covers the grip as well.

This site seems to better explain things.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/14/2016 9:14:25 PM

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ORIGINAL: ifmaz

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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Nah, that's still Arizona.
...

You should remember, I have said several time that I don't like open carry.

IWB carry is a pain (without one of these) and makes people super-paranoid about printing.

I have to confess to a brain cramp what does IWB mean?

In Waist Band; nothing visible from 'the outside', as it were, as the firearm is in a holster next to your skin, inside your pants. Not quite as sexy as it may sound.

OWB is Out of Waist Band; the holster is on the outer side of the waist band.

Open carry is OWB. Concealed carry can be OWB (if under a shirt) or, more commonly, IWB. The problem with IWB is the grip of the firearm tends to rub against your skin in holsters like the King Tuck or whatever. The N82 holster is the best one I've found as it covers the grip as well.

This site seems to better explain things.

Duh

I handle that by wearing a t-shirt and an overshirt.
The inner shirt avoids shafing, or pinching and the overshirt is unbuttoned and keeps the firearm concealed while not obstrucking access.
Your explination was quite clear thank you.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/14/2016 9:19:04 PM

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ORIGINAL: ifmaz

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: ifmaz
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Nah, that's still Arizona.
...

You should remember, I have said several time that I don't like open carry.

IWB carry is a pain (without one of these) and makes people super-paranoid about printing.

I have to confess to a brain cramp what does IWB mean?

In Waist Band; nothing visible from 'the outside', as it were, as the firearm is in a holster next to your skin, inside your pants. Not quite as sexy as it may sound.

OWB is Out of Waist Band; the holster is on the outer side of the waist band.

Open carry is OWB. Concealed carry can be OWB (if under a shirt) or, more commonly, IWB. The problem with IWB is the grip of the firearm tends to rub against your skin in holsters like the King Tuck or whatever. The N82 holster is the best one I've found as it covers the grip as well.

This site seems to better explain things.

When I first started carrying I did so with a shoulder holster but I don't like them. Then I used Waist band but it did not secure the firearm well enough to suit me. Now I use inside the belt holsters and they seem to work best.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/15/2016 3:15:54 AM

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How about we take it back to the proper thread?

Why are you resurrecting a 2014 thread to complain about a wholly different thread?

That thread was derailed by this post #98 in the guns flowing into mexico" thread by imfmaz..

So now that we're in this thread, how about showing us your shooting skills?

Now that we are why don't you show us just what I bragged about loudmouth.

Or shoud I post on a different thread?

I think you should put up or shut up.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/15/2016 3:19:58 AM

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You should remember, I have said several time that I don't like open carry.

Pussy

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