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So what precisely did you mean here

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Hey, I have an idea! Maybe...Maybe that's why they tell you to talk to your plants! They're made up of water too! Say nice things, play Vivaldi (Any will do cause It's all full of beauty) and just give a plant a hug!

Maybe you should. Remember "The Secret Life of Plants"?

Actually, most of the stuff I've seen on the effects of intention on water was done with plants. But as it happens, an earlier study on water crystals got significant results too.

K.

Then? Were you lying?

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that in itself is enough to provoke Ken to behave like an agitated priest bent on eradicating heresy.

So IOW you as usual won't make a positive statement of any kind. so very brave of you. Dumbass.

I at least will make positive statements. Such as that you are a liar.

Well thank you, Ken. It's always gratifying when people are kind enough to prove me right so promptly. By the way, did you like that picture of an ass full of hot air? It would be such a perfect avatar for you, and a public service warning in the bargain. Give it some thought, eh?

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Correct me if I am wrong, but it sounds like you are saying most of the stuff you have seen has been done with plants but there were others studies on water crystals. I don't see anything that implies you do or don't believe the studies.

That's very true. I simply found it interesting. The effects of conscious intention are documented (see here). Prayer not so much. But it's difficult to get a firm handle on the subject. In particular, managing adequate controls poses a thorny problem (see here). Ken is just being his usual lying self when he claims I believe that prayer makes pretty crystals. But if you look at the broad sweep of data in the various areas of Psi research, it does seem to me to be abundantly clear that something is going on. And that in itself is enough to provoke Ken to behave like an agitated priest bent on eradicating heresy.

K.

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Correct me if I am wrong, but it sounds like you are saying most of the stuff you have seen has been done with plants but there were others studies on water crystals. I don't see anything that implies you do or don't believe the studies.

That's very true. I simply found it interesting. The effects of conscious intention are documented (see here). Prayer not so much. But it's difficult to get a firm handle on the subject. In particular, managing adequate controls poses a thorny problem (see here). Ken is just being his usual lying self when he claims I believe that prayer makes pretty crystals. But if you look at the broad sweep of data in the various areas of Psi research, it does seem to me to be abundantly clear that something is going on. And that in itself is enough to provoke Ken to behave like an agitated priest bent on eradicating heresy.

So IOW you as usual won't make a positive statement of any kind. so very brave of you. Dumbass.

I at least will make positive statements. Such as that you are a liar.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

that in itself is enough to provoke Ken to behave like an agitated priest bent on eradicating heresy.

So IOW you as usual won't make a positive statement of any kind. so very brave of you. Dumbass.

I at least will make positive statements. Such as that you are a liar.

Well thank you, Ken. It's always gratifying when people are kind enough to prove me right so promptly. By the way, did you like that picture of an ass full of hot air? It would be such a perfect avatar for you, and a public service warning in the bargain. Give it some thought, eh?

K.

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You drip hate with every breath.

nice to see you back H, we have been short of hypocrites for a while now.

I am sure we are all looking forward to more of your thought provoking insightful posts.

Personally I particularly enjoyed all your pimple related musings, spread the love man

















Your posting style

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA




You drip hate with every breath.

nice to see you back H, we have been short of hypocrites for a while now.

I am sure we are all looking forward to more of your thought provoking insightful posts.

Personally I particularly enjoyed all your pimple related musings, spread the love man

















Your posting style

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA




You drip hate with every breath.

nice to see you back H, we have been short of hypocrites for a while now.

I am sure we are all looking forward to more of your thought provoking insightful posts.

Personally I particularly enjoyed all your pimple related musings, spread the love man

















Your posting style

The real interesting thing about your note is probably something you can't grasp, but I'll mention it for the big people. I've never said on here that I would always be peaches and cream. I've always said I would treat people the way they treated other people. So, I'm not really being hypocritical, you are.

The looney left likes to pretend they are a big tent organization, buts it's not. They banter around slurs like "nutsackers" and go off and giggle like third grade boys. But, and here's what's going to be difficult for you to grasp, the looney left is a culture of exclusion, division, and derision. Hillary wrote her graduate thesis on Saul Alinsky. Saul is the founding father of your little giggle groups and his primary rule was that you don't debate with people who disagree with you, rather you ridicule them.

So you are a culture that excludes consideration of outside ideas and enforces that with ridicule. It's so pervasive in the Kool Aid drinking looney left you don't even notice it. You divide and ridicule and close out ideas. It's so prevalent in your circles you just expect people you ridicule to accept the ridicule and move on, as most polite conservatives do.

So when I come along and clearly say I'll treat you the way you treat others, you're shocked. It never happens in your little world. Well, except for Ann Coulter who you all hate because she does the same thing to you. You hate her rather than think about any idea she may offer.


You see me as a hypocrite because I don't act like I should when you are childish, closed minded and rude. When you do that to me it's just an expected part of your little third grade circle jerks. When I do it to you, as I have consistently said I would, you're so surprised you don't know what to do except ridicule.

Which, of course, was the only content of your post. At least my post offers you some food for though as well. Not that you'll get out of your little third grade circle jerk and think about it.

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA




You drip hate with every breath.

nice to see you back H, we have been short of hypocrites for a while now.

I am sure we are all looking forward to more of your thought provoking insightful posts.

Personally I particularly enjoyed all your pimple related musings, spread the love man

















Your posting style

The real interesting thing about your note is probably something you can't grasp, but I'll mention it for the big people. I've never said on here that I would always be peaches and cream. I've always said I would treat people the way they treated other people. So, I'm not really being hypocritical, you are.

The looney left likes to pretend they are a big tent organization, buts it's not. They banter around slurs like "nutsackers" and go off and giggle like third grade boys. But, and here's what's going to be difficult for you to grasp, the looney left is a culture of exclusion, division, and derision. Hillary wrote her graduate thesis on Saul Alinsky. Saul is the founding father of your little giggle groups and his primary rule was that you don't debate with people who disagree with you, rather you ridicule them.

So you are a culture that excludes consideration of outside ideas and enforces that with ridicule. It's so pervasive in the Kool Aid drinking looney left you don't even notice it. You divide and ridicule and close out ideas. It's so prevalent in your circles you just expect people you ridicule to accept the ridicule and move on, as most polite conservatives do.

So when I come along and clearly say I'll treat you the way you treat others, you're shocked. It never happens in your little world. Well, except for Ann Coulter who you all hate because she does the same thing to you. You hate her rather than think about any idea she may offer.


You see me as a hypocrite because I don't act like I should when you are childish, closed minded and rude. When you do that to me it's just an expected part of your little third grade circle jerks. When I do it to you, as I have consistently said I would, you're so surprised you don't know what to do except ridicule.

Which, of course, was the only content of your post. At least my post offers you some food for though as well. Not that you'll get out of your little third grade circle jerk and think about it.

You'll have to point out where exactly in the middle of the fatuous generalisations, the sadly abundant cliches, the childish insults, etc that comprise the above post, someone might find "food for though" (sic). Did you mean to say "food for thought"? It appears so.

I found precisely no "food for though[t]". Not even the tiniest morsel. Not even a hint of anything original intelligent or coherent. Nothing to suggest that an ordered intellectual process preceded composing the post, nothing to suggest an intellectually coherent progression of evidence and argument advancing towards a sensible conclusion. Just a collection of childish assertions and wild generalisations, not one of which was backed by any remotely relevant evidence.

Any one looking for "food for though[t]" in the above post will likely die of intellectual starvation.

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA




You drip hate with every breath.

nice to see you back H, we have been short of hypocrites for a while now.

I am sure we are all looking forward to more of your thought provoking insightful posts.

Personally I particularly enjoyed all your pimple related musings, spread the love man

















Your posting style

The real interesting thing about your note is probably something you can't grasp, but I'll mention it for the big people. I've never said on here that I would always be peaches and cream. I've always said I would treat people the way they treated other people. So, I'm not really being hypocritical, you are.

The looney left likes to pretend they are a big tent organization, buts it's not. They banter around slurs like "nutsackers" and go off and giggle like third grade boys. But, and here's what's going to be difficult for you to grasp, the looney left is a culture of exclusion, division, and derision. Hillary wrote her graduate thesis on Saul Alinsky. Saul is the founding father of your little giggle groups and his primary rule was that you don't debate with people who disagree with you, rather you ridicule them.

So you are a culture that excludes consideration of outside ideas and enforces that with ridicule. It's so pervasive in the Kool Aid drinking looney left you don't even notice it. You divide and ridicule and close out ideas. It's so prevalent in your circles you just expect people you ridicule to accept the ridicule and move on, as most polite conservatives do.

So when I come along and clearly say I'll treat you the way you treat others, you're shocked. It never happens in your little world. Well, except for Ann Coulter who you all hate because she does the same thing to you. You hate her rather than think about any idea she may offer.


You see me as a hypocrite because I don't act like I should when you are childish, closed minded and rude. When you do that to me it's just an expected part of your little third grade circle jerks. When I do it to you, as I have consistently said I would, you're so surprised you don't know what to do except ridicule.

Which, of course, was the only content of your post. At least my post offers you some food for though as well. Not that you'll get out of your little third grade circle jerk and think about it.

You'll have to point out where exactly in the middle of the fatuous generalisations, the sadly abundant cliches, the childish insults, etc that comprise the above post, someone might find "food for though" (sic). Did you mean to say "food for thought"? It appears so.

I found precisely no "food for though[t]". Not even the tiniest morsel. Not even a hint of anything original intelligent or coherent. Nothing to suggest that an ordered intellectual process preceded composing the post, nothing to suggest an intellectually coherent progression of evidence and argument advancing towards a sensible conclusion. Just a collection of childish assertions and wild generalisations, not one of which was backed by any remotely relevant evidence.

Any one looking for "food for though[t]" in the above post will likely die of intellectual starvation.

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Later, in the 13th century, both Africa and India became great centers of Islamic civilization and soon thereafter Muslim kingdoms were established in the Malay-Indonesian world while Chinese Muslims flourished throughout China. Turkey as well.

Islamic History after the Mongol Invasion

The Mongols devastated the eastern lands of Islam and ruled from the Sinai Desert to India for a century. But they soon converted to Islam and became known as the Il-Khanids. They were in turn succeeded by Timur and his descendants who made Samarqand their capital and ruled from 1369 to 1500. The sudden rise of Timur delayed the formation and expansion of the Ottoman empire but soon the Ottomans became the dominant power in the Islamic world.

From humble origins the Turks rose to dominate over the whole of Anatolia and even parts of Europe. In 1453 Mehmet the Conqueror captured Constantinople and put an end to the Byzantine empire. The Ottomans conquered much of eastern Europe and nearly the whole of the Arab world, only Morocco and Mauritania in the West and Yemen, Hadramaut and parts of the Arabian peninsula remaining beyond their control. They reached their zenith of power with Suleyman the Magnificent whose armies reached Hungary and Austria. From the 17th century onward with the rise of Western European powers and later Russia, the power of the Ottomans began to wane. But they nevertheless remained a force to be reckoned with until the First World War when they were defeated by the Western nations. Soon thereafter Kamal Ataturk gained power in Turkey and abolished the six centuries of rule of the Ottomans in 1924. While the Ottomans were concerned mostly with the western front of their empire, to the east in Persia a new dynasty called the Safavids came to power in 1502. The Safavids established a powerful state of their own which flourished for over two centuries and became known for the flowering of the arts. Their capital, Isfahan, became one of the most beautiful cities with its blue tiled mosques and exquisite houses. The Afghan invasion of 1736 put an end to Safavid rule and prepared the independence of Afghanistan which occurred formally in the 19th century. Persia itself fell into turmoil until Nader Shah, the last Oriental conqueror, reunited the country and even conquered India. But the rule of the dynasty established by him was short-lived. The Zand dynasty soon took over to be overthrown by the Qajars in 1779 who made Tehran their capital and ruled until 1921 when they were in turn replaced by the Pahlavis.

As for India, Islam entered into the land east of the Indus River peacefully. Gradually Muslims gained political power beginning in the early 13th century. But this period which marked the expansion of both Islam and Islamic culture came to an end with the conquest of much of India in 1526 by Babur, one of the Timurid princes. He established the powerful Mogul empire which produced such famous rulers as Akbar, Jahangir, and Shah Jahan and which lasted, despite the gradual rise of British power in India, until 1857 when it was officially abolished. Farther east in the Malay world, Islam began to spread in the 12th century in northern Sumatra and soon Muslim kingdoms were established in Java, Sumatra and mainland Malaysia. Despite the colonization of the Malay world, Islam spread in that area covering present day Indonesia, Malaysia, the southern Philippines and southern Thailand, and is still continuing in islands farther east.

As far as Africa is concerned, Islam entered into East Africa at the very beginning of the Islamic period but remained confined to the coast for some time, only the Sudan and Somali land becoming gradually both Arabized and Islamized. West Africa felt the presence of Islam through North African traders who traveled with their camel caravans south of the Sahara. By the 14th century there were already Muslim sultanates in such areas as Mali, and Timbuctu in West Africa and Harar in East Africa had become seats of Islamic learning. Gradually Islam penetrated both inland and southward. There also appeared major charismatic figures who inspired intense resistance against European domination. The process of the Islamization of Africa did not cease during the colonial period and continues even today with the result that most Africans are now Muslims caring on a tradition which has had practically as long a history in certain areas of sub-Saharan Africa as Islam itself.

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Now, if you want to argue for a decline in Islamic sciences starting in the 17th century, that argument can be made, due to a focus on turning to traditional sciences and abandoning their former embrace of experimental science.

http://books.google.com/books?id=Sf6HxVjOLPsC&pg=PA334&lpg=PA334&dq=islamic+science+since+the+mongol+invasion&source=bl&ots=0vlJwxvqZd&sig=Z5CAhwyvMQjTCl_VEWthlwr--n0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=QH-LU8-VF4XfsASt_4LoDQ&ved=0CHAQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=islamic%20science%20since%20the%20mongol%20invasion&f=false

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We were talking about religions, not republicans. You do know the difference, right?

Yes, I do know the difference. It was the Rep politicians and their supporters who did not know the difference.

You are the one who responded to my comment about religions with some bullshit about republicans. Although I am not a bit surprised to see you try to blame "the Rep politicians and their supporters" for it after all pointing fingers is what you do best. But just for shits and giggles why don't you try to explain how they made you type that lame ass reponse. They didn't know the difference and that somehow effected how you think. that's pretty incredible even for these boards.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

OK. I'm just tired of arguing this point with a half dozen of you.

Arabs suck, Islam sucks, they wouldn't know science if it bite 'em in the ass, poor backwards slobs, always have been, always will be.

Better?

Meanwhile, in the modern west, half the population continues its century old campaign to deny science . . .

Glad we're the smart ones!

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Now, if you want to argue for a decline in Islamic sciences starting in the 17th century, that argument can be made, due to a focus on turning to traditional sciences and abandoning their former embrace of experimental science.

http://books.google.com/books?id=Sf6HxVjOLPsC&pg=PA334&lpg=PA334&dq=islamic+science+since+the+mongol+invasion&source=bl&ots=0vlJwxvqZd&sig=Z5CAhwyvMQjTCl_VEWthlwr--n0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=QH-LU8-VF4XfsASt_4LoDQ&ved=0CHAQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=islamic%20science%20since%20the%20mongol%20invasion&f=false

What pray tell is meant by "traditional science?" Al Ghazali turned the core of Islam toward mysticism. renouncing the logic of Plato and Aristotle, and claiming that all collisions between particles were the result of Divine direction.

Ancient science (Democritus, etc) was followed by classical science (Newton, Galileo) and modern science (relativity, quantum mechanics)

What science have Muslims contributed to the modern world in the last 700 years except the development of roadside bombs? Nothing. Exactly!

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So Tweak, a three thousand year old philosopher should be something to ponder. His offering discusses the natural mind of men. Nothing exceptional was revealed in his statement, yet it's relevant three thousand years after the statement. It helps us to be introspective in our lives so that we can throw off the yoke of those who serve Kool Aid to us.

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My musing was essentially the same thing. A natural person thinks in a natural way and yet we have a core group of people who don't think naturally. They make differences where none really exist. The ridicule instead of discuss. And, that should be something, so startlingly different from the mind of man that Mencius discusses that we should all ponder upon it.

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But doesn't matter, now that you've convinced me that Muslims are and always have been backwards scientific idiots.