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subrosaDom -> RE: Bergdahl (6/1/2014 12:17:31 PM)
@Musicmystery: as in WWII, for example? Lao Tzu said to see things as they are, not as one hopes them to be. Not very Taoist, IMO, to favor surrender and appeasement in the face of an enemy that seeks Total War to establish the next caliphate and in the meantime does minor things like global terrorism, and administering the death penalty for gays, adulterers, pregnant women. Don't forget about honor killings either. Particularly awesome demonstrations of their "morality."

TheHeretic -> RE: Bergdahl (6/1/2014 12:18:44 PM)
Coming around to Bergdahl specifically, I'm curious to know his story. I hope he writes a book, rather than getting thrown into the 24/7 talking head meatgrinder of the cable news culture. I think the immediate process will be a medical hold, and debriefing, then he gets handed 5 years of back pay +, and a nice long vacation.

truckinslave -> RE: Bergdahl (6/1/2014 12:20:05 PM)
Not at all. But- They started this, as far as I'm concerned, but they have no definition of victory short of Eurabia and the destruction of the Great Satan. Until that changes, yeah, I'm pretty much kill them all. Makes me laugh to hear fucks like Powell talk about wars that cannot be won by military force. Through bitter tears, perhaps, but laugh nonetheless.

Musicmystery -> RE: Bergdahl (6/1/2014 12:21:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrosaDom @Musicmystery: as in WWII, for example? Lao Tzu said to see things as they are, not as one hopes them to be. Not very Taoist, IMO, to favor surrender and appeasement in the face of an enemy that seeks Total War to establish the next caliphate and in the meantime does minor things like global terrorism, and administering the death penalty for gays, adulterers, pregnant women. Don't forget about honor killings either. Particularly awesome demonstrations of their "morality." What in the world are you talking about in that rambling knot of confusion?

truckinslave -> RE: Bergdahl (6/1/2014 12:21:54 PM)
quote: Lao Tzu said to see things as they are, not as one hopes them to be. Islamapologists prefer the ostrich approach/position

Musicmystery -> RE: Bergdahl (6/1/2014 12:22:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave Not at all. But- They started this, as far as I'm concerned, but they have no definition of victory short of Eurabia and the destruction of the Great Satan. Until that changes, yeah, I'm pretty much kill them all. Makes me laugh to hear fucks like Powell talk about wars that cannot be won by military force. Through bitter tears, perhaps, but laugh nonetheless. Forgive me, but I have a lot more faith in Powell's military judgement and experience than yours.

truckinslave -> RE: Bergdahl (6/1/2014 12:23:10 PM)
It was perfectly clear to me MM

Musicmystery -> RE: Bergdahl (6/1/2014 12:24:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave Islamapologists Not at all. That's just you being caught in a sweeping false claim in the OP and needing to make up the positions of anyone calling you on it. In fact, I've already made it clear in my posts that I'm not necessarily in favor. But you see what you want to see.

truckinslave -> RE: Bergdahl (6/1/2014 12:24:33 PM)
When your enemies are dead- when all your enemies are dead- the war is won, no?

thompsonx -> RE: Bergdahl (6/1/2014 12:30:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery The argument against negotiating with terrorists is simple: Democracies must never give in to violence, and terrorists must never be rewarded for using it. Negotiations give legitimacy to terrorists and their methods and undermine actors who have pursued political change through peaceful means. Talks can destabilize the negotiating governments' political systems, undercut international efforts to outlaw terrorism, and set a dangerous precedent. Yet in practice, democratic governments often negotiate with terrorists. http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/62276/peter-r-neumann/negotiating-with-terrorists It seems that george and parliment said the same shit about the founders and they wound up negotiating with terrorist.

thompsonx -> RE: Bergdahl (6/1/2014 12:32:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave Not at all. But- They started this, as far as I'm concerned, but they have no definition of victory short of Eurabia and the destruction of the Great Satan. Until that changes, yeah, I'm pretty much kill them all. Makes me laugh to hear fucks like Powell talk about wars that cannot be won by military force. Through bitter tears, perhaps, but laugh nonetheless. Spoken like another chairborn ranger who has yet to attend his first bar-b-q

thompsonx -> RE: Bergdahl (6/1/2014 12:34:05 PM)
ORIGINAL: truckinslave Islamapologists prefer the ostrich approach/position What sort of a childish moron actually believes that the ostrich actually puts it'shead in the sand.

Musicmystery -> RE: Bergdahl (6/1/2014 12:34:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave When your enemies are dead- when all your enemies are dead- the war is won, no? It's a little harder than that when we're not in the movies.

thompsonx -> RE: Bergdahl (6/1/2014 12:35:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave When your enemies are dead- when all your enemies are dead- the war is won, no? For the morons who have yet to read a history book written for someone beyond the fifth grade, the answer is no.

truckinslave -> RE: Bergdahl (6/1/2014 12:48:23 PM)
Well, no; it's not harder than that. But no one said killing your enemies was easy.... Yet, there they are, openly announcing their intentions and making progress every day. And here we are, most of us just dismissing the very concept of religious war.....

Musicmystery -> RE: Bergdahl (6/1/2014 12:53:37 PM)
Nonsense. You're caught up in your head again, making up the world around you. Quite the contrary -- the neo-cons are all about religious war.

truckinslave -> RE: Bergdahl (6/1/2014 1:19:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Nonsense. You're caught up in your head again, making up the world around you. Quite the contrary -- the neo-cons are all about religious war. Really. Provide two or three quotations, please.... I can think of only one, and it's pretty funny. I was afraid she would get decapitated for it....

Musicmystery -> RE: Bergdahl (6/1/2014 1:36:58 PM)
Are you sure you live in the U.S.? You seem pretty ignorant about what goes on here. http://www.politicususa.com/2012/09/18/wing-christian-religous-leaders-dream-holy-war-islam.html http://www.publiceye.org/eyes/sd_theo.html http://www.againstbombing.com/ArmageddonUpdates.htm http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/02/evangelical-christians-want-to-start-wwiii-to-speed-the-second-coming-and-atheist-neocons-are-using-religion-to-rile-them-up-to-justify-war-against-iran.html http://www.cbsnews.com/news/zions-christian-soldiers/ http://books.google.com/books/about/Holy_War.html?id=R6pgCWiDZ-4C http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/22336-genghis-christ-general-boykin-and-the-fundamentalist-christian-holy-war http://iraqwar.org/fundamentalists.htm http://www.theocracywatch.org/

thishereboi -> RE: Bergdahl (6/1/2014 1:51:32 PM)
In that case I am glad it was Obama making the decision and not you. and this.... quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic You're an idiot, Truckinslave. I was glad to see our soldier is free, and on his way home, even if we did have to make a shitty deal to get him out.

truckinslave -> RE: Bergdahl (6/1/2014 2:14:31 PM)
I thought we were trying to have a substantial discussion. My bad. Your first link- as only one example- contains the following: "There is a concerted effort by Bush neo-conservatives serving as Willard Romney’s foreign policy advisors to entice Israel to strike Iran to begin what one Romney advisor calls “a very substantial war,” and their goal is not to stop Iran from developing a nuclear weapon, but to begin a Holy War between Christianity and Islam." Not one word of substantiation- there or pretty much anywhere- just accusations followed by delusions followed by lunacies followed by rantings. There are plenty of Christians who believe Armageddon will be Islam vs Christians; but there is no one in power on the non-Muslim side who is trying to hasten it.

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