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RE: Bergdahl - 6/5/2014 9:19:28 PM

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So you are just making stuff up again.

Got it.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/5/2014 9:23:53 PM

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I think one has to be an ASSHOLE beyond proportion to be politicizing this deal.

Why conservatives don't like it is simple: the facts are complicated and a compromise had to be struck to bring back the soldier.

I was moved that the principals concerned realized that if a deal was not struck, the POW would die in enemy captivity. So they decided to go for it and save his life. It is pretty moving.

Are there downsides. Yes. Well, welcome to the real world.

The Conservatives botched up two wars (Afghanistan and IRAQ) and then have the nerve to try and blame Obama -- who has to clean up their mess. It is a sad spectacle indeed.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/5/2014 9:28:13 PM

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What happens to POWs after a war is concluded?

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/6/2014 5:24:30 AM

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After WW II, many were hung.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/6/2014 5:27:20 AM

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He wasn't a POW. HE walked away from his unit. HE was, and is a deserter.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/6/2014 7:07:48 AM

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I think one has to be an ASSHOLE beyond proportion to be politicizing this deal.

I agree and that is a fine example of it below. But then again you do it to every subject you post on, so I find it amusing to find you bitching about it. Pot meet kettle.

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Why conservatives don't like it is simple: the facts are complicated and a compromise had to be struck to bring back the soldier.

I was moved that the principals concerned realized that if a deal was not struck, the POW would die in enemy captivity. So they decided to go for it and save his life. It is pretty moving.

Are there downsides. Yes. Well, welcome to the real world.

The Conservatives botched up two wars (Afghanistan and IRAQ) and then have the nerve to try and blame Obama -- who has to clean up their mess. It is a sad spectacle indeed.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/6/2014 7:36:59 AM

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He wasn't a POW. HE walked away from his unit. HE was, and is a deserter.

Nothing that I have read establishes this as a clear fact. What's known is that he disappeared.

The US had two choices, let him die or strike a deal.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/6/2014 7:55:44 AM

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He wasn't a POW. HE walked away from his unit. HE was, and is a deserter.

Nothing that I have read establishes this as a clear fact. What's known is that he disappeared.

You don't get much news up there in that cloud, do you?

Former Army Sgt. Evan Buetow was the team leader with Bowe Bergdahl the night Bergdahl disappeared. "Bergdahl is a deserter, and he's not a hero," says Buetow. "He needs to answer for what he did." Within days of his disappearance, says Buetow, teams monitoring radio chatter and cell phone communications intercepted an alarming message: The American is in Yahya Khel (a village two miles away). He's looking for someone who speaks English so he can talk to the Taliban. ~CNN

In other happenings down here on Earth...

"This gives the Islamic Emirates more legitimacy in front of the world. It shows we are able to deal directly with the Americans and also successfully," Mr Maulvi Mubarak, shadow Taleban chief of the Shah Wali Kot district in Kandahar, said. Mr Mubarak said the deal would also boost morale among the Taleban's ranks, including the hundreds of men under his command in three neighbouring districts. "This will give us more courage and determination to carry on this holy task," he told Reuters. ~Reuters

That would be the "holy task" of killing American troops.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/6/2014 8:35:48 AM

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Nothing that I have read establishes this as a clear fact. What's known is that he disappeared.

The US had two choices, let him die or strike a deal.

No they had a third... go get him and in the process clean out that rats nest.

I understand there would be a chance he would have been killed and others to boot... but I'll also bet if you polled his fellow soldiers they would have much rather taken that chance then give up murderers in trade.

I do believe the reason there was no attempt to rescue him was because of the circumstances surrounding his disappearance.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/6/2014 9:14:47 AM

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but I'll also bet if you polled his fellow soldiers they would have much rather taken that chance then give up murderers in trade.

So far it doesn't look like you'd win that bet, unless they decided it was worth it to watch his court martial.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/6/2014 9:45:12 AM

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Easy for me to say but if it were me...Yes I would want to get him back just for that reason.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/6/2014 10:01:22 AM

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Easy for me to say but if it were me...Yes I would want to get him back just for that reason.

I can go with it.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/6/2014 12:20:00 PM

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I read that account. One account is not a fact. Your reference even says, "the night he disappeared."

If you read any kind of comprehensive news source, you'd already know that people have theories and allegations but not established facts.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/6/2014 1:26:00 PM

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He wasn't a POW. HE walked away from his unit. HE was, and is a deserter.

He was a POW. He was captured on the battlefield in a US uniform.

A deserter is a very specific thing and he does not qualify.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/6/2014 4:31:52 PM

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He wasn't a POW. HE walked away from his unit. HE was, and is a deserter.

He was a POW. He was captured on the battlefield in a US uniform.

A deserter is a very specific thing and he does not qualify.

Show me a declaration of war, didn't we already have this discussion about Congress hasn't declared war?

It looks more and more like ole Bowe is a traitor and a scumbag, but we won't get that talking point from the NYT.

By the way, any press releases or talking point coming out of the White House is going to be about as truthful as anything seen on Fox News, only Fox has more credibility now.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/6/2014 4:58:57 PM

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He wasn't a POW. HE walked away from his unit. HE was, and is a deserter.

He was a POW. He was captured on the battlefield in a US uniform.

A deserter is a very specific thing and he does not qualify.

Show me a declaration of war, didn't we already have this discussion about Congress hasn't declared war?

It looks more and more like ole Bowe is a traitor and a scumbag, but we won't get that talking point from the NYT.

By the way, any press releases or talking point coming out of the White House is going to be about as truthful as anything seen on Fox News, only Fox has more credibility now.

So you're believing the stuff coming out of FNC. No point even discussing things then. I deal with established facts only. not fantasies.

In the real world desertion has a definition and so does treason and Bergdahl meets neither. His command can charge him with a bunch of stuff, being UA, dereliction, disobeying but not desertion. It's the sort of stuff he very well might not even get court martialed for in peace time but I expect he will in this case. But really he's spent 5 years in a cage already what more should be done to him?

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/6/2014 5:11:14 PM

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Doesn't take a genius to figure out how Obama's policy reversal re wheeling and dealing with terrorists has inspired the Taliban (and presumably every other terrorist affiliated group) to seek out more bargaining chips to be used in a manner similar to Bowie Bergdal

Gee thanks Barack

Doesn't take a genius to figure out that soldiers have been taking each other prisoner since before christ was a crossing guard. One of the purposes of which is to have bargaining chips for negotiations with their enemies. Or did you think that they were so mindnumbingly stupid that that never occured to them?

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/6/2014 5:14:19 PM

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Here's a fun question. Is the risk involved in releasing the Taliban individuals from Gitmo lower than the risk of casualties in a rescue operation?

Actually that is not a fun question but rather a mindnumbingly stupid question. Not only do you not know how many causalties we might have in a rescue mission...remember the one to iran...but no guarantee of a successful rescue.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/6/2014 5:16:55 PM

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He wasn't a POW. HE walked away from his unit. HE was, and is a deserter.

Until he is indited(charges filed) he is not and the above is just your opinion.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/6/2014 5:19:49 PM

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That would be the "holy task" of killing American troops.

The american troops that invaded their country. Would you not shoot at troops that invaded our county?

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