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Sanity -> RE: How should the USA Fund its highway system? (7/25/2014 5:19:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zonie63 FR I wonder how a message board tax might go over. For each post, pay a 10¢ tax. [;)] Then we could have free Internet [;)]

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: How should the USA Fund its highway system? (7/25/2014 5:37:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Which is why everyone here gets health care. Sounds like our VA And nanny state healthcare obviously doesn't make government efficient, doesn't make anything cheap or "free", or politicians honest, just buys votes and makes people dependent on government like a little child is dependent on his mommy Really?? What a refreshing and totally naive PoV! [:D] Do YOU have universal healthcare at only 8% of earnings?? And totally free for those on any sort of welfare or low wages or disability income? The sort of healthcare that doesn't discriminate against pre-existing conditions or gender? Can see your GP or go to hospital or see a dentist as many times as you need to - for FREE??? I don't see your private health insurance system offering such goodies or at such a low price. It's far superior to your VA and it's available to everyone - not just veterans.

Sanity -> RE: How should the USA Fund its highway system? (7/25/2014 5:40:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Which is why everyone here gets health care. Sounds like our VA And nanny state healthcare obviously doesn't make government efficient, doesn't make anything cheap or "free", or politicians honest, just buys votes and makes people dependent on government like a little child is dependent on his mommy Really?? What a refreshing and totally naive PoV! [:D] Do YOU have universal healthcare at only 8% of earnings?? And totally free for those on any sort of welfare or low wages or disability income? The sort of healthcare that doesn't discriminate against pre-existing conditions or gender? Can see your GP or go to hospital or see a dentist as many times as you need to - for FREE??? I don't see your private health insurance system offering such goodies or at such a low price. It's far superior to your VA and it's available to everyone - not just veterans. Right - its all free Gosh, leftists are so smart

Musicmystery -> RE: How should the USA Fund its highway system? (7/25/2014 5:42:57 AM)
Actually, it's better funded. Because they understand health care costs money.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: How should the USA Fund its highway system? (7/25/2014 5:48:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Actually, it's better funded. Because they understand health care costs money. It's not as well funded as we'd like. But it's sure as fuck better than lining the pockets of insurance companies that are only doing it for profit!!

Sanity -> RE: How should the USA Fund its highway system? (7/25/2014 5:51:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Actually, it's better funded. Because they understand health care costs money. Its not cheap or free, its politicians purchasing votes with taxpayer money and its giving government more and more control over the people

Musicmystery -> RE: How should the USA Fund its highway system? (7/25/2014 5:52:38 AM)
Cutting it at the expense of our veteran's medical care.

Sanity -> RE: How should the USA Fund its highway system? (7/25/2014 5:54:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 It's not as well funded as we'd like. But it's sure as fuck better than lining the pockets of insurance companies that are only doing it for profit!! Always demanding more Your fat lazy bureaucrats work hard for their money for almost ten minutes of every week The private sector can be far more efficient if government isn't too much in the way

Musicmystery -> RE: How should the USA Fund its highway system? (7/25/2014 5:55:13 AM)
And yet . . . it's not.

Sanity -> RE: How should the USA Fund its highway system? (7/25/2014 5:57:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery And yet . . . it's not. There are no government regs in the way? Seriously? [:D]

Sanity -> RE: How should the USA Fund its highway system? (7/25/2014 5:58:42 AM)
And before you come back with the standard propaganda, no I did not write anything like there should be no laws or regulation

Musicmystery -> RE: How should the USA Fund its highway system? (7/25/2014 6:08:18 AM)
You're comparing us to Europe. And we have lower regulation than a few decades back. Yet . . . without the results. Really.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: How should the USA Fund its highway system? (7/25/2014 6:17:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity The private sector can be far more efficient if government isn't too much in the way Oh dear! Another one that doesn't have a fucking clue. Ok smartass.... explain this conundrum - Local NHS hospital buys a new scanner. Costs about £22,000 on the open market. They pay, through the NHS (government money, paid for with our taxes), around £8,000. The local private hospital haven't got one because they can't afford one!! The power of government spending with hugely negotiated discounts [:D] So who is the better resource for supplying equipment?? The private sector (insurance company funded) can't afford it because they would have to pay the full price. Those patients using private medical insurance lose out. The government funded hospital gets one because the government is able to push down the price so they can afford it. It's the same principal as the supermarkets vs the corner shop and bulk buying. Good example: Local pharmacy (a well-known UK franchise chain) price for Paracetamol - 45p. Local corner shop that buys from the wholesaler - 38p. Any of the local supermarkets (probably buys them by the boatload for the whole country) - 19p. See the logic?? In many ways, the government can be more efficient at providing goods and services than the private sector purely because of the sheer numbers involved. And yeah.... I like my nanny state where I get my needs met for FREE and I don't have to worry about some gundiot blowing my head off!!

DesideriScuri -> RE: How should the USA Fund its highway system? (7/25/2014 7:23:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri Is the VAT the only tax you have? Is there a minimum income exempt from VAT taxes? Yes to the first question and no to the second. You have NI, don't you? You also have an income tax, don't you? quote: Earning more should be rewarded. It shouldn't be punished. Forcing equality of outcomes is worse than allowing inequality to naturally occur (I do so oppose inequality forced upon people, regardless what some might spout on here). Those in power dont pay fair wages, even if they did the system is wrong You don't get to define what a fair wage is, though. That's the point. Those with the money get to have a say in it. Those who want the money get a say, too. If they can't come to an agreement, they don't enter into a contract. Isn't this the way it's done across the pond? quote: The idea that taxing income, earnings, is a good thing, is silly, imo. Taxing consumption, on the other hand, isn't. You have a much, much better handle on your consumption than you do your earnings. I have worked under both systems and you are 100% wrong, take it from someone who knows. You don't have a handle on your consumption more than your earnings? Really? How's that then?

joether -> RE: How should the USA Fund its highway system? (7/25/2014 3:22:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 It's not as well funded as we'd like. But it's sure as fuck better than lining the pockets of insurance companies that are only doing it for profit!! Always demanding more Your fat lazy bureaucrats work hard for their money for almost ten minutes of every week The private sector can be far more efficient if government isn't too much in the way I find it amusing when people blame government yet give a total pass on companies. You do understand that a company IS a form of government, right? Corporations are nothing more that the modern idea of Feudalism: CEO = King CEO's People = Dukes Middle Management = Barons Low Level Management = Knights Workers not in Management = Serfs, slaves, peasants An if you make your boss look good to his boss, he'll promote you into his spot when it rises up the food chain over others. But its not Feudalism in that those people are related by birth, but by money (sort of a mercenary take on Feudalism). If the private sector was just as efficient or more so than the government, why all the lawsuits, court cases, and problems when government limiting healthcare non-patient costs (i.e. paying CEOs, perks, etc.)? If those companies were just as efficient if not more so, why all the flak? The reality is, they were...LESS...efficient than the government. Hence why they fought so hard and in so many ways.

Politesub53 -> RE: How should the USA Fund its highway system? (7/25/2014 5:02:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Actually, it's better funded. Because they understand health care costs money. Thank You...... I couldnt be arsed to explain it to sanity again.

Politesub53 -> RE: How should the USA Fund its highway system? (7/25/2014 5:04:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri Is the VAT the only tax you have? Is there a minimum income exempt from VAT taxes? Yes to the first question and no to the second. You have NI, don't you? You also have an income tax, don't you? quote: Earning more should be rewarded. It shouldn't be punished. Forcing equality of outcomes is worse than allowing inequality to naturally occur (I do so oppose inequality forced upon people, regardless what some might spout on here). Those in power dont pay fair wages, even if they did the system is wrong You don't get to define what a fair wage is, though. That's the point. Those with the money get to have a say in it. Those who want the money get a say, too. If they can't come to an agreement, they don't enter into a contract. Isn't this the way it's done across the pond? quote: The idea that taxing income, earnings, is a good thing, is silly, imo. Taxing consumption, on the other hand, isn't. You have a much, much better handle on your consumption than you do your earnings. I have worked under both systems and you are 100% wrong, take it from someone who knows. You don't have a handle on your consumption more than your earnings? Really? How's that then? Yes we have NI and Income tax.....wtf is your point other than the drivel above. As with Sanity, I am sick of correcting your gross stupidity.

DesideriScuri -> RE: How should the USA Fund its highway system? (7/25/2014 7:38:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Yes we have NI and Income tax.....wtf is your point other than the drivel above. As with Sanity, I am sick of correcting your gross stupidity. My gross stupidity?!? I asked if the VAT tax was the only tax you had, and you answered that it was. When I pointed out income taxes and NI, and you admit you do have those, too, you're correcting me?!? You're even more full of yourself than some others on here.

Politesub53 -> RE: How should the USA Fund its highway system? (7/26/2014 4:50:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Yes we have NI and Income tax.....wtf is your point other than the drivel above. As with Sanity, I am sick of correcting your gross stupidity. My gross stupidity?!? I asked if the VAT tax was the only tax you had, and you answered that it was. When I pointed out income taxes and NI, and you admit you do have those, too, you're correcting me?!? You're even more full of yourself than some others on here. "You don't have a handle on your consumption more than your earnings? Really? How's that then? << This drivel. Debating the NHS with you is like going round in circles due to you being obtuse. Like I said, our VAT system isnt what anyone wants, it has morphed since conception and isnt a fair tax as it hits the poor most. As for me being full of myelf, its needed to debate with some of you Republicans. One idiot even posted the following, Hey! Is Harry Potter running the NHS?!? when I challenged him with a serious question on the NHS....... Do you need telling who it was ?

DesideriScuri -> RE: How should the USA Fund its highway system? (7/26/2014 7:03:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Yes we have NI and Income tax.....wtf is your point other than the drivel above. As with Sanity, I am sick of correcting your gross stupidity. My gross stupidity?!? I asked if the VAT tax was the only tax you had, and you answered that it was. When I pointed out income taxes and NI, and you admit you do have those, too, you're correcting me?!? You're even more full of yourself than some others on here. "You don't have a handle on your consumption more than your earnings? Really? How's that then? << This drivel. Debating the NHS with you is like going round in circles due to you being obtuse. Like I said, our VAT system isnt what anyone wants, it has morphed since conception and isnt a fair tax as it hits the poor most. As for me being full of myelf, its needed to debate with some of you Republicans. One idiot even posted the following, Hey! Is Harry Potter running the NHS?!? when I challenged him with a serious question on the NHS....... Do you need telling who it was ? You still carry the misconception that I'm a Republican?!? I guess there is proof of your own gross stupidity right there. I asked you if that was the only tax you had. You said it was. I brought up the NI and income taxes. You admitted you had them (which contradicts your statement that the VAT tax is the only tax you have) and attempted to point out some gross stupidity on my part? You must be in bizarro world because I was, in fact, right. You think we'd not do well under a VAT tax. You may very well be right. But, that also means that you may very well be wrong, too. Your experience with a VAT tax isn't the same as using a consumption tax instead of an income tax. Your income tax and your NI are based on income (once you've made more than the exempt level), and you pay the VAT tax. Under most consumption tax plans, you pay a much higher consumption tax, but that's the only tax you pay; no income tax or anything like that. Do you have full control over how much money you earn in a given year? If not, then you don't have control over how much you spend in taxes. Under a consumption plan, you have a much greater level of control of the amount you pay in taxes.

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