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Arturas -> Are we dead? (8/2/2014 10:08:31 AM)
Ebola patients are heading to or are currently in the U.S. in a plastic room to keep the deadly virus from killing at least sixty precent of the U.S. should it get out of containment. So, given jihad terrorists willingly blow themselves up to achieve their goal, isn't this their opportunity to attack the hospital and effect the spread of this virus to the general U.S. and eventually the North and South American continents? How easy we have made it for them, we actually brought the 'bomb' here ourselves and protected it with plastic.

Sanity -> RE: Are we dead? (8/2/2014 10:11:11 AM)
Observant Muslims would NEVER purposely catch ebola then slip through our porous southern border, that would be like flying a jetliner into a skyscraper or something

DomKen -> RE: Are we dead? (8/2/2014 10:14:35 AM)
Ebola isn't easy to catch. It's only spread by bodily fluid exchange. you guys can relax. and avoid any fruit bats if you see any.

ThatDaveGuy69 -> RE: Are we dead? (8/2/2014 10:15:21 AM)
Take a deep, cleansing breath and relax a bit. Ebola does not have the usual attack vectors we are familiar with like coughs and sneezes. It requires direct contact with infected bodily fluids. While I tend to agree that we should have taken the facilities to the patients instead of bringing them here, this is not any sort of opportunity for Al-Qida to attack. I can't do all the research for you - you have the world at your finger tips via el-goog so educate yourself before you panic yourself into a seizure.

Lucylastic -> RE: Are we dead? (8/2/2014 10:23:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDaveGuy69 Take a deep, cleansing breath and relax a bit. Ebola does not have the usual attack vectors we are familiar with like coughs and sneezes. It requires direct contact with infected bodily fluids. While I tend to agree that we should have taken the facilities to the patients instead of bringing them here, this is not any sort of opportunity for Al-Qida to attack. I can't do all the research for you - you have the world at your finger tips via el-goog so educate yourself before you panic yourself into a seizure. This

Sanity -> RE: Are we dead? (8/2/2014 10:25:01 AM)
One big problem with ebola is that its symptoms are exactly like the flu at first, and carriers go about their business unaware CNN could be wrong of course, they usually are Still... quote: Ebola outbreak could have 'catastrophic' consequences (CNN) -- Fear over Ebola is growing as international leaders and health organizations struggle to try to stop the deadly epidemic in West Africa. The Ebola outbreak "is moving faster than our efforts to control it," Margaret Chan, director-general of the World Health Organization, said in a statement Friday. "This is an unprecedented outbreak accompanied by unprecedented challenges. And these challenges are extraordinary." This is the first Ebola outbreak in West Africa and involves the most deadly strain in the Ebola virus family, Chan said. "If the situation continues to deteriorate, the consequences can be catastrophic in terms of lost lives but also severe socioeconomic disruption and a high risk of spread to other countries."

TheHeretic -> RE: Are we dead? (8/2/2014 10:38:02 AM)
Mama Nature is a far more creative bitch than any terrorist could dream of being. I'm sure these patients will be in the sort of containment required, and with only two of them (so far) burning anything they come into contact with won't be any problem at all.

Lucylastic -> RE: Are we dead? (8/2/2014 10:40:41 AM)
An American aid worker infected with the deadly Ebola virus while in Liberia was flown from West Africa to the United States on Saturday and taken to an Atlanta hospital for treatment in a special isolation unit. An airplane carrying American doctor Kent Brantly who has the Ebola virus, arrives at Dobbins Air Reserve Base in Marietta, Georgia August 2, 2014. (Reuters) - An American aid worker infected with the deadly Ebola virus while in Liberia was flown from West Africa to the United States on Saturday and taken to an Atlanta hospital for treatment in a special isolation unit. A chartered medical aircraft carrying Dr. Kent Brantly touched down at Dobbins Air Reserve Base in Marietta, Georgia shortly before noon. Brantly was driven by ambulance, with police escort, to Emory University Hospital in Atlanta where he will be treated in a specially equipped room. Television news footage showed the ambulance stop outside the hospital, where three people in white biohazard suits stepped gingerly out of the vehicle. Two of them walked into the building, one seeming to lean on the other for support. Hospital officials had no immediate comment. Brantly works for the North Carolina-based Christian organization Samaritan's Purse. A second infected member of the group, missionary Nancy Writebol, is due to be brought to the United States on a later flight, as the plane is only equipped to carry one patient at a time. Both americans, one a doctor, one a missionary, and probably already here..... http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/02/us-health-ebola-evacuation-idUSKBN0G20D220140802

TheHeretic -> RE: Are we dead? (8/2/2014 10:52:41 AM)
It's the one's we don't know are coming that would pose the real risk. The guy who develops his fever on the long flight, sweats into the seat, sneezes or coughs into his hand right before touching a seat back, or opening the lavatory door. This one may not float around like a flu bug, but it's a lot easier to catch than AIDS, and the more human cases that develop, the more opportunities for the virus to throw a mutation into the mix.

Sanity -> RE: Are we dead? (8/2/2014 11:03:44 AM)
A comment under the CNN article: quote: Bring out your dead, bring out your dead. Just practicing. (Just more votes for the Democrats eh)

Lucylastic -> RE: Are we dead? (8/2/2014 11:10:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic It's the one's we don't know are coming that would pose the real risk. The guy who develops his fever on the long flight, sweats into the seat, sneezes or coughs into his hand right before touching a seat back, or opening the lavatory door. This one may not float around like a flu bug, but it's a lot easier to catch than AIDS, and the more human cases that develop, the more opportunities for the virus to throw a mutation into the mix. I dont disagree with much of what you have said. however, I will put up information for those who are or will be making all kinds of shit up... http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs103/en/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebola_virus_disease www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/pdf/fact-sheet.pdf

KYsissy -> RE: Are we dead? (8/2/2014 11:10:54 AM)
It's not like viruses can mutate rapidly. . . . . It will more than likely be just fine, but if it isn't, things could get bad real fast.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Are we dead? (8/2/2014 12:06:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KYsissy It's not like viruses can mutate rapidly. . . . . It will more than likely be just fine, but if it isn't, things could get bad real fast. Really?? Try telling that to the 'Flu virus that mutates several times a year. That's why any 'Flu vaccination can only boost against last year's variety. Admittedly, not every virus is quite that bad, but we don't know an awful lot about Ebola either. Who is to say that it can't mutate and re-attack just like the various Bird 'Flu viruses did? We won't know until it happens. ETA: Ebola's 90% kill rate ain't to be sniffed at - that's some serious deaths to consider!

GoddessManko -> RE: Are we dead? (8/2/2014 12:33:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 Try telling that to the 'Flu virus that mutates several times a year. That's why any 'Flu vaccination can only boost against last year's variety. Admittedly, not every virus is quite that bad, but we don't know an awful lot about Ebola either. Who is to say that it can't mutate and re-attack just like the various Bird 'Flu viruses did? We won't know until it happens. ETA: Ebola's 90% kill rate ain't to be sniffed at - that's some serious deaths to consider! Correct, virii mutate one of two ways. They become more lethal or more contagious. Generally they can either mutate in one direction or the other and the more lethal the virii become, the less contagious. However, virii are mutating at an extremely high rate in temperate conditions. They thrive in areas that are closest to the equator. The greenhouse effect also helps their mutation along. Case in point, the environment is changing at an accelerated rate and the simple RNA of virii allows them the ability to mutate much more easily than a multicelled organism with DNA (double helix). The reason there was an alarm for the bird flu is because it seemed to have skipped an entire species, swine are the "bridge species" the flu would have to mutate in to be transferable to humans. But due to their rapidly increasing rate of mutation they skipped that step entirely. However the fuss died down as the virus mutated in the direction of becoming more lethal and less contagious.

Sanity -> RE: Are we dead? (8/2/2014 12:53:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: KYsissy It's not like viruses can mutate rapidly. . . . . It will more than likely be just fine, but if it isn't, things could get bad real fast. Really?? Try telling that to the 'Flu virus that mutates several times a year. That's why any 'Flu vaccination can only boost against last year's variety. Admittedly, not every virus is quite that bad, but we don't know an awful lot about Ebola either. Who is to say that it can't mutate and re-attack just like the various Bird 'Flu viruses did? We won't know until it happens. ETA: Ebola's 90% kill rate ain't to be sniffed at - that's some serious deaths to consider! Even if you paid someone to warn you about sarcasm in such posts, you would still probably miss catching it.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Are we dead? (8/2/2014 12:58:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Even if you paid someone to warn you about sarcasm in such posts, you would still probably miss catching it. Sarcasm is lost on me [:D] Why do you think I'm called a "Grouchy Olde Dinosaur"?? I've earned that title!

TheHeretic -> RE: Are we dead? (8/2/2014 2:25:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 Sarcasm is lost on me [:D] So is reason, rationality, and anything else that doesn't fit your bigoted little view of the world. Maybe ebola should go global. The fucking herd needs some serious culling anyway. Just think of how much it would decrease our carbon output...

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Are we dead? (8/2/2014 2:36:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 Sarcasm is lost on me [:D] So is reason, rationality, and anything else that doesn't fit your bigoted little view of the world. Maybe ebola should go global. The fucking herd needs some serious culling anyway. Just think of how much it would decrease our carbon output... That's an interesting way of thinking. Who were you thinking of culling?? [sm=insane.gif] Just as long as it's not you or your circle of friends and family. Eh?? [:D]

BecomingV -> RE: Are we dead? (8/2/2014 2:40:16 PM)
I'm really not concerned about terrorism in regard to this issue. Ebola is already here, in storage, and has been for some time... so the vulnerability is pre-existing. However, I am surprised that "they" transported infected people TO the U.S., or really, away from the origin of the infection. Here's why... In a biological ethics class I took some years ago, genetic engineering was covered. An example, was manipulating the gene that causes? sickle cell anemia. We can do that. But, then they discovered another expression of the same gene... that in Africa, it protects against malaria. Apparently we humans adapt to our environment. There can be unintended effects in science and medicine. So, I would need more information to allay my fears about this question... by transporting the ill person(s) from the location of original infection, are we changing something important? It does bring up fears like the effect Europeans had on Native Americans, or American missionaries introducing venereal diseases to previously robust and healthy Amazonian tribes. I travel. I always thought I was taking health risks in doing so and assumed the American government would NOT be coming to my rescue, should I become infected with a disease as potentially deadly as Ebola. Mixing issues is rarely productive, but seriously, if we care about the "threat of illegal alien children," why is this okay?

TheHeretic -> RE: Are we dead? (8/2/2014 3:04:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 Who were you thinking of culling?? Get over yourself. Just because you operate under the assumption that the whole world should line up according to your hate fixations doesn't mean everyone operates that way. I don't think I'm God, to make the call.

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