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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/12/2014 6:41:04 PM   
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I admit I have never understood this kind of mentality.

Perhaps that is because you do not wish to.


I remember the riots in the 60's and trying to understand why they were burning their own neighborhoods when they weren't the ones they were mad at.

They were burning down businesses owned by white people not their own homes you moron.


It just didn't make any sense and never solved anything.


South central today is a far cry from what it was in the 60's it is better but it aint good.


I also think a lot of people who were involved did it because they saw a good excuse to get some free shit while claiming the high moral ground.

Not at all unlike the boston tea party or similar acts by revolutionaries/terrorists


The ones I feel sorry for are their neighbors who have to live with this kind of bullshit.


Well of course you do




No you moron, they were burning down businesses owned by their black neighbors. The rest of your drivel isn't worth the time to answer.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/12/2014 6:49:03 PM   
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Good God... can't you even let a man vent that lost his son...what a bitch.



Indeed. That's wholly unacceptable. What the hell is wrong with you tweakabelle? I don't think any of us care what names or imprecations you use against us personally, but you do NOT EVER go after the family. Basic decency.

She didn't go after his family.
She called into question his misrepresentation of the ideology of his sons killers.....and correctly so.
As for venting about his lost son......he has my sympathy and my condolences


Sorry. There's a way better way to put that and she is a very literate, well-read person. No excuses. Enough that I won't reply to her any more. Anywhere. This has nothing to do with politics. Even thompsonx, not exactly known for his delicacy, didn't comment on that, did he?

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/12/2014 6:53:40 PM   
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Yes, unarmed intruders in the home should be shot / killed (Alzheimers's patient, black man knocking on door of house, German exchange student in garage, man wanting to see a 3rd party in the home) but when an unarmed, 18 year old, black teenager, bound for college is shot dead for no reason by the POLICE, you feel well positioned to tell the victims to suck it up and behave.

From what I've read and gathered, this incident is not an isolated one in the community -- it's just the one that pushed everyone over the edge.

It's funny that the Heretic, one of the most absolutely tone-dead posters on race relations -- starts up this thread -- just moments after claiming Obama won the 2012 election based on Bigotry.

Here's what I notice. His lead is not outrage that POLICE shoot (with multiple bullets) an unarmed black teenager, no his umbrage is directed elsewhere (at the usual target.) Without the former, you don't have the latter.



I see, so you think rioting is ok given the circumstances? Maybe we should stop looking at guns and start looking at the ones who think violence is the answer to any thing. That kind of mentality is one of the biggest problems we have right now.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/12/2014 7:21:33 PM   
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Whichever way it goes, I'm curious what people think of the assertion that looting and burning is the proper response.


Of course not. But isn't that like asking, 'Was it the proper response for the dog to bite if it had been poked with a stick?' Riots just do happen, like bad weather happens. That's how people just are on occasion.

I honestly find it a bit puzzling that this forum seems to be so much about 'the great questions of righteousness versus sin'. It feels so 'Biblical', somehow. And ultimately pointless, on so many issues.

Presumably, most of us want riots not to happen. Even most self-avowed anarchists imagine a Utopia in which riots are no longer 'needed'. Isn't the question of how this might be achieved obviously the more important one?

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/12/2014 7:32:04 PM   
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No mike any decent person seeing his post and understanding his pain would not do what she did... it is inexcusable.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/12/2014 7:40:04 PM   
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Peon you are not from around here... the relations between the police and citizens of Ferguson was very good... was no festering animosity.

There was just no excuse for looting... there own people... many businesses were black owned. These rioters are not interested in justice... only in a flat screen TV.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/12/2014 7:45:30 PM   
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Peon you are not from around here... the relations between the police and citizens of Ferguson was very good... was no festering animosity.

There was just no excuse for looting... there own people... many businesses were black owned. These rioters are not interested in justice... only in a flat screen TV.

Butch


I would say "the content of their character" is empty.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/12/2014 7:59:41 PM   
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Riots are not like weather. When you mistreat people over a period of time, or when you commit a heinous act -- violent emotions are often unleashed. The problem is police misconduct -- so the answer -- the solution ----- is to correct that.

Sprinkle in other surrounding things like the repeal of the Voting Rights Act, Birthers, the baseless lawsuit against a black President, Voting Rights Restrictions, growing income inequality, the shrinking middle class, and the particular racial tension of that area --- and you have a BAD MIX.

Rioting is definitely preferable to the reign of terror enacted by the KKK after the blacks were emancipated.

Bad government, bad policies, and a racist police force will not yield civil peace and tranquility.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/12/2014 8:03:55 PM   
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Would any of this have happened if the police did not shoot (multiple times) and kill an innocent, unarmed black teenager bound for college?

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In an interview on Tuesday with MSNBC, Dorian Johnson, a friend of Mr. Brown’s, gave a description of the shooting. He said that he and Mr. Brown had been walking in the street when an officer drove up and told them to get onto the sidewalk. The two stayed in the street after telling the officer that they were close to Mr. Johnson’s house. The officer, who had passed them, then backed up, almost hitting them in doing so. He then tried to open his door, which hit Mr. Brown, and when the door bounced shut, the officer reached out and grabbed Mr. Brown.

“Mike was trying to get away from being choked,” Mr. Johnson told MSNBC. At that point, he said, the officer pulled a gun and fired, striking Mr. Brown. Mr. Brown “did not reach for the officer’s weapon at all,” he said.

Mr. Johnson said that he and Mr. Brown began to run, and while he ducked behind a car, Mr. Brown kept going. After Mr. Brown was shot a second time, Mr. Johnson said, he turned to face the officer with his hands up, the officer fired several more shots, and Mr. Brown fell.

Lesley McSpadden, the mother of Michael Brown, held a drawing of the two of them after a news conference in St. Louis on Tuesday. Mr. Brown, 18, was shot and killed Saturday in a confrontation with the police in Ferguson, Mo. Credit Whitney Curtis for The New York Times
Benjamin Crump, a lawyer representing the Brown family, said Tuesday that Mr. Johnson had yet to be called in for questioning by the police and wanted to speak only to federal authorities.

“He does not trust the local law enforcement community,” Mr. Crump said. “How could he? He saw his friend executed.”


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/13/us/ferguson-police-cite-safety-risk-in-decision-not-to-name-officer-in-shooting.html?ref=us&_r=0



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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/12/2014 8:08:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

Would any of this have happened if the police did not shoot (multiple times) and kill an innocent, unarmed black teenager bound for college?

Sure. All it takes is for people to propagate an unsubstantiated story that the police shot (multiple times) an innocent unarmed black teenager bound for college.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/12/2014 8:20:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

Riots are not like weather. When you mistreat people over a period of time, or when you commit a heinous act -- violent emotions are often unleashed. The problem is police misconduct -- so the answer -- the solution ----- is to correct that.

Sprinkle in other surrounding things like the repeal of the Voting Rights Act, Birthers, the baseless lawsuit against a black President, Voting Rights Restrictions, growing income inequality, the shrinking middle class, and the particular racial tension of that area --- and you have a BAD MIX.

Rioting is definitely preferable to the reign of terror enacted by the KKK after the blacks were emancipated.

Bad government, bad policies, and a racist police force will not yield civil peace and tranquility.

Just for starters how do you know the police have been repressing them?
The only person from around here disagrees and he is by no means a right winger.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/12/2014 8:21:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

Would any of this have happened if the police did not shoot (multiple times) and kill an innocent, unarmed black teenager bound for college?

-----

In an interview on Tuesday with MSNBC, Dorian Johnson, a friend of Mr. Brown’s, gave a description of the shooting. He said that he and Mr. Brown had been walking in the street when an officer drove up and told them to get onto the sidewalk. The two stayed in the street after telling the officer that they were close to Mr. Johnson’s house. The officer, who had passed them, then backed up, almost hitting them in doing so. He then tried to open his door, which hit Mr. Brown, and when the door bounced shut, the officer reached out and grabbed Mr. Brown.

“Mike was trying to get away from being choked,” Mr. Johnson told MSNBC. At that point, he said, the officer pulled a gun and fired, striking Mr. Brown. Mr. Brown “did not reach for the officer’s weapon at all,” he said.

Mr. Johnson said that he and Mr. Brown began to run, and while he ducked behind a car, Mr. Brown kept going. After Mr. Brown was shot a second time, Mr. Johnson said, he turned to face the officer with his hands up, the officer fired several more shots, and Mr. Brown fell.

Lesley McSpadden, the mother of Michael Brown, held a drawing of the two of them after a news conference in St. Louis on Tuesday. Mr. Brown, 18, was shot and killed Saturday in a confrontation with the police in Ferguson, Mo. Credit Whitney Curtis for The New York Times
Benjamin Crump, a lawyer representing the Brown family, said Tuesday that Mr. Johnson had yet to be called in for questioning by the police and wanted to speak only to federal authorities.

“He does not trust the local law enforcement community,” Mr. Crump said. “How could he? He saw his friend executed.”


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/13/us/ferguson-police-cite-safety-risk-in-decision-not-to-name-officer-in-shooting.html?ref=us&_r=0



Glad you have gotten all the evidence, since no one else has.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/12/2014 8:29:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

Riots are not like weather. When you mistreat people over a period of time, or when you commit a heinous act -- violent emotions are often unleashed. The problem is police misconduct -- so the answer -- the solution ----- is to correct that.

Sprinkle in other surrounding things like the repeal of the Voting Rights Act, Birthers, the baseless lawsuit against a black President, Voting Rights Restrictions, growing income inequality, the shrinking middle class, and the particular racial tension of that area --- and you have a BAD MIX.

Rioting is definitely preferable to the reign of terror enacted by the KKK after the blacks were emancipated.

Bad government, bad policies, and a racist police force will not yield civil peace and tranquility.



What, by the way, causes this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJy-m9TfGrc

Why aren't white people rioting? The knockout "game" -- is almost exclusively racist: blacks doing it to whites. Innocent whites. But you'll never see racist, Communist Holder investigate those.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/12/2014 9:21:37 PM   
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cloudboy if it is proven it went down this way the officer needs to be prosecuted... but there is another story as you know but as usual you decided not to tell it...Why don't we wait until all the witnesses come forward and the evidence is analyzed by all three departments and charges are brought or dropped with an explanation.

Or would you rather take up a rope and hang him without due process?

Butch

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/12/2014 9:42:59 PM   
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cloudboy if it is proven it went down this way the officer needs to be prosecuted... but there is another story as you know but as usual you decided not to tell it...Why don't we wait until all the witnesses come forward and the evidence is analyzed by all three departments and charges are brought or dropped with an explanation.

Or would you rather take up a rope and hang him without due process?

Butch

He doesn't need a trial or even all the facts, just a TV interview.
Think of all the time we could save without trials.
Before he or someone else (you wouldn't do this) accuses me of proclaiming the cop innocent. Like you I want all the facts.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/12/2014 10:08:14 PM   
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So, what is the answer? (No reply will be forthcoming on this one...)


I don't think anyone knows the answer.




I have some thoughts on the subject, but not the time to really get into it tonight.

As for Cloudboy, that vile shitbag wouldn't get a reply from me if he was asking for directions out of a burning building.


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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/12/2014 10:11:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic


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ORIGINAL: Zonie63


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

So, what is the answer? (No reply will be forthcoming on this one...)


I don't think anyone knows the answer.




I have some thoughts on the subject, but not the time to really get into it tonight.

As for Cloudboy, that vile shitbag wouldn't get a reply from me if he was asking for directions out of a burning building.


To paraphrase the Lion in Winter would you piss on him if he was on fire.
I would like to hear your thoughts.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/12/2014 10:15:54 PM   
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Even if Cloudboy were in contact with reality it wouldn't excuse the rioting.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/12/2014 10:48:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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Whichever way it goes, I'm curious what people think of the assertion that looting and burning is the proper response.


Of course not. But isn't that like asking, 'Was it the proper response for the dog to bite if it had been poked with a stick?' Riots just do happen, like bad weather happens. That's how people just are on occasion.



It's a tricky one, ain't it? Look at the question from the individual standpoint, and it's one answer, then from the broader perspective and it might be another.

I'll get back around to this when I can, but here is something I'm wondering about. Would Michael Brown's death have been at the top of the Google news page (until Robin Williams took over) if they Quik-E-Mart hadn't burned?

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 8/12/2014 11:23:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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Whichever way it goes, I'm curious what people think of the assertion that looting and burning is the proper response.


Of course not. But isn't that like asking, 'Was it the proper response for the dog to bite if it had been poked with a stick?' Riots just do happen, like bad weather happens. That's how people just are on occasion.



It's a tricky one, ain't it? Look at the question from the individual standpoint, and it's one answer, then from the broader perspective and it might be another.

I'll get back around to this when I can, but here is something I'm wondering about. Would Michael Brown's death have been at the top of the Google news page (until Robin Williams took over) if they Quik-E-Mart hadn't burned?

And would it even have been covered if he was white?
I think both are valid questions.
And is it a good thing that it is at the top of the google page

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