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HunterCA -> RE: California's gun restrictions are working! (8/30/2014 9:10:42 AM)


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And we have a culture that allows monsters like this to be stopped if you can.

You have a death penalty in most states - that, I wholly agree with.
I think, if we had a free choice, a lot of people would vote for it to be reinstated.

But, I don't agree with guns for general populace.
A high percentage just can't be trusted with them.
And proof of that pudding is in the stats... everywhere.


There are 3.5 million ccw holders in this country, over 100 million other legitimate gun owners. If your view of us was even remotely accurate there would be literally hundreds of thousands of killings a year. Even over there you have to know that isn't the case.



actually if there are 100 million legit gun owners if just 1% of them were as he stated "A high percentage just can't be trusted with them" then there would be 1,000,000,000 shootings per year in the USA...

not sure what he considers a HIGH percentage though....

if there were 100K shootings per year it would be .1% if there were 10K per year it would be .01% and since I THINK the REAL number is like 2k the ACTUAL percentage is like .002% and that counts ALL not just legit gun owners


I would like to make an observation the likes of which usually upsets leftists. So if that's you, cover your eyes now and don't look. As an engineer when I have a project that goes to construction we really try to make an effort not to have change orders on the project that add cost to the project. But, pragmatically, I know that when the contractor begins to build the thing he's going to see a few things that could be changed that will make the project better. So we understand that changes that cost the project about 2% of the bid price are probably beneficial to the project.

Using the above as a corollary, something like 90% (and someone can call me on that number I didn't look it up) of those above mentioned 2,000 shootings are criminals shooting each other, they probably end up making society better.



mnottertail -> RE: California's gun restrictions are working! (8/30/2014 10:09:32 AM)

I believe that a pair of two by sixes is enough lintel to hold up the state empire building, since 90% of what I have seen as lintels is that.

That is a more comparative corollary since it is as much asswipe as 90% of the criminals shooting criminals.

Engineering doesn't have anything to do with this, and is a non-sequitur for many reasons.



HunterCA -> RE: California's gun restrictions are working! (8/30/2014 10:11:55 AM)


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I believe that a pair of two by sixes is enough lintel to hold up the state empire building, since 90% of what I have seen as lintels is that.

That is a more comparative corollary since it is as much asswipe as 90% of the criminals shooting criminals.

Engineering doesn't have anything to do with this, and is a non-sequitur for many reasons.

But, then, you're still an idiot and a fool so it really doesn't matter what you think at all.



Musicmystery -> RE: California's gun restrictions are working! (8/30/2014 10:15:01 AM)


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...which usually upsets leftists...

And that's because you live in a fantasy world of your own creation, where whatever you imagine is true in your mind.



HunterCA -> RE: California's gun restrictions are working! (8/30/2014 10:24:43 AM)


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...which usually upsets leftists...

And that's because you live in a fantasy world of your own creation, where whatever you imagine is true in your mind.

Lol, that is so funny because technically, that is pretty much the definition of Post Modern thought which leftist pride themselves on. But, I don't expect the rank and file kool aid drinkers such as you to understand that. So I'll just laugh at your ignorance.



freedomdwarf1 -> RE: California's gun restrictions are working! (8/30/2014 10:35:44 AM)


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There are 3.5 million ccw holders in this country, over 100 million other legitimate gun owners. If your view of us was even remotely accurate there would be literally hundreds of thousands of killings a year. Even over there you have to know that isn't the case.

Says who?? you and your crystal ball?? [8|]

And as I keep telling you.... compare the stats.
US gun deaths (and accidents) outrank every other first world country. [:)]

I don't care what you forecast could or would be if/what/whatever... compare the US with others.



PeonForHer -> RE: California's gun restrictions are working! (8/30/2014 10:56:11 AM)

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Lol, that is so funny because technically, that is pretty much the definition of Post Modern thought which leftist pride themselves on.


What?? Where do you *get* this stuff, Hunter? It's deranged!



HunterCA -> RE: California's gun restrictions are working! (8/30/2014 11:03:05 AM)

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There are 3.5 million ccw holders in this country, over 100 million other legitimate gun owners. If your view of us was even remotely accurate there would be literally hundreds of thousands of killings a year. Even over there you have to know that isn't the case.

Says who?? you and your crystal ball?? [8|]

And as I keep telling you.... compare the stats.
US gun deaths (and accidents) outrank every other first world country. [:)]

I don't care what you forecast could or would be if/what/whatever... compare the US with others.



Yes, but I don't think you understand the stats. Say you were a normal person in Japan and you read that the Yakuza were at war and killing each other. You'd probably say, "good, fewer of them." If 90% of our stats are gang bangers killing each other I say good, fewer of them. You get all girlie weak kneed and proclaim we have to have more government control and less freedom; we have to take guns away from perfectly law abiding people....which won't do a thing to stop gang bangers from killing each other but will give your political masters more power and me less freedom. Well, I like my freedom and don't like your political masters and I don't care if the gang bangers clean themselves out. So, I consider any thought you have on the subject just a hysteric reaction to the propaganda you've been inculcated with and I ignore your obvious idiocy.



HunterCA -> RE: California's gun restrictions are working! (8/30/2014 11:08:11 AM)


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Lol, that is so funny because technically, that is pretty much the definition of Post Modern thought which leftist pride themselves on.


What?? Where do you *get* this stuff, Hunter? It's deranged!

Actually, as I've explained here before, I once was engaged to a woman that had a Phd in philosophy from Harvard. It's pretty much accepted in higher thinking circles so I'm pretty sure you'd not be aware of it and see it as deranged. As a matter of fact I was discussing this pretty recently with a professor of philosophy at a nearby university. He'd agreed. You see, your political masters who pass the kool aid down to you know what they are. They just don't tell the useful idiots like you.



HunterCA -> RE: California's gun restrictions are working! (8/30/2014 11:18:04 AM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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Lol, that is so funny because technically, that is pretty much the definition of Post Modern thought which leftist pride themselves on.


What?? Where do you *get* this stuff, Hunter? It's deranged!

Opps, I'm sorry peon. That last post may sound pejorative to you but it's really not. "Useful Idiots" is what Stalin used to call all of his followers who blindly and unthinkingly helped him enslave and murder millions and millions of people. So you should be proud of the term being addressed toward you. For you, it's really not a pejorative it's more of a warm fuzzy state of being.



BamaD -> RE: California's gun restrictions are working! (8/30/2014 12:17:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


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ORIGINAL: BamaD
There are 3.5 million ccw holders in this country, over 100 million other legitimate gun owners. If your view of us was even remotely accurate there would be literally hundreds of thousands of killings a year. Even over there you have to know that isn't the case.

Says who?? you and your crystal ball?? [8|]

And as I keep telling you.... compare the stats.
US gun deaths (and accidents) outrank every other first world country. [:)]

I don't care what you forecast could or would be if/what/whatever... compare the US with others.


Do you deny that there are about 3.5 million ccw holders in this country.
Do you deny that there are well over 100 million legitimate gun owners in this country?
Do you deny that you view us as trigger happy nuts?
Do you deny that the law allows us to gun down people because they might possibly be a threat.
How can you deny that if you let 3.5 million trigger happy loons loose with a blank check to kill people there would be 100s of thousands of dead people every year.
There are two options.
Massive body count
or you are wrong.
There are not 100,000 people killed by us trigger happy gun nuts so we aren't trigger happy gun nuts.



HunterCA -> RE: California's gun restrictions are working! (8/30/2014 12:57:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


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ORIGINAL: BamaD
There are 3.5 million ccw holders in this country, over 100 million other legitimate gun owners. If your view of us was even remotely accurate there would be literally hundreds of thousands of killings a year. Even over there you have to know that isn't the case.

Says who?? you and your crystal ball?? [8|]

And as I keep telling you.... compare the stats.
US gun deaths (and accidents) outrank every other first world country. [:)]

I don't care what you forecast could or would be if/what/whatever... compare the US with others.


Do you deny that there are about 3.5 million ccw holders in this country.
Do you deny that there are well over 100 million legitimate gun owners in this country?
Do you deny that you view us as trigger happy nuts?
Do you deny that the law allows us to gun down people because they might possibly be a threat.
How can you deny that if you let 3.5 million trigger happy loons loose with a blank check to kill people there would be 100s of thousands of dead people every year.
There are two options.
Massive body count
or you are wrong.
There are not 100,000 people killed by us trigger happy gun nuts so we aren't trigger happy gun nuts.


I've had a CCW for about ten years. I haven't even taken the gun out in public once. Even though I carry it to places like professional sporting events that would be a target rich environment for a loon.



PeonForHer -> RE: California's gun restrictions are working! (8/30/2014 6:27:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: HunterCA


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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Lol, that is so funny because technically, that is pretty much the definition of Post Modern thought which leftist pride themselves on.


What?? Where do you *get* this stuff, Hunter? It's deranged!

Actually, as I've explained here before, I once was engaged to a woman that had a Phd in philosophy from Harvard. It's pretty much accepted in higher thinking circles so I'm pretty sure you'd not be aware of it and see it as deranged. As a matter of fact I was discussing this pretty recently with a professor of philosophy at a nearby university. He'd agreed. You see, your political masters who pass the kool aid down to you know what they are. They just don't tell the useful idiots like you.



Right. Well, if she did tell you that, Hunter, then she was telling you bollocks. It isn't "pretty much accepted in higher thinking circles", on account of that would be bollocks. And if you really were discussing this recently with a professor of philosophy at a nearby university, he was talking bollocks, too. Either that, or - much more likely - it is you who is talking bollocks and are making all of this crap up.



joether -> RE: California's gun restrictions are working! (8/31/2014 5:29:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
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ORIGINAL: HunterCA
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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
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Lol, that is so funny because technically, that is pretty much the definition of Post Modern thought which leftist pride themselves on.


What?? Where do you *get* this stuff, Hunter? It's deranged!

Actually, as I've explained here before, I once was engaged to a woman that had a Phd in philosophy from Harvard. It's pretty much accepted in higher thinking circles so I'm pretty sure you'd not be aware of it and see it as deranged. As a matter of fact I was discussing this pretty recently with a professor of philosophy at a nearby university. He'd agreed. You see, your political masters who pass the kool aid down to you know what they are. They just don't tell the useful idiots like you.

Right. Well, if she did tell you that, Hunter, then she was telling you bollocks. It isn't "pretty much accepted in higher thinking circles", on account of that would be bollocks. And if you really were discussing this recently with a professor of philosophy at a nearby university, he was talking bollocks, too. Either that, or - much more likely - it is you who is talking bollocks and are making all of this crap up.


Who is stating he was talking to anyone in reality?



Politesub53 -> RE: California's gun restrictions are working! (8/31/2014 5:37:34 AM)


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ORIGINAL: HunterCA


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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Lol, that is so funny because technically, that is pretty much the definition of Post Modern thought which leftist pride themselves on.


What?? Where do you *get* this stuff, Hunter? It's deranged!

Actually, as I've explained here before, I once was engaged to a woman that had a Phd in philosophy from Harvard. It's pretty much accepted in higher thinking circles so I'm pretty sure you'd not be aware of it and see it as deranged. As a matter of fact I was discussing this pretty recently with a professor of philosophy at a nearby university. He'd agreed. You see, your political masters who pass the kool aid down to you know what they are. They just don't tell the useful idiots like you.


Hunter, you have made yourself look a laughing stock due to your gross irony. I will leave you to work it out since Peon has gone to A & E, as he has broken some ribs from laughing at your stupidity.



Lucylastic -> RE: California's gun restrictions are working! (8/31/2014 5:45:45 AM)

the sarah palin of RW posters



thompsonx -> RE: California's gun restrictions are working! (8/31/2014 6:22:31 AM)


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And as I keep telling you.... compare the stats.
US gun deaths (and accidents) outrank every other first world country. [:)]

Since first world means aligned with the u.s., and not a euphimism for poor and impoverished, what is you point?



freedomdwarf1 -> RE: California's gun restrictions are working! (8/31/2014 6:28:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


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ORIGINAL: BamaD
There are 3.5 million ccw holders in this country, over 100 million other legitimate gun owners. If your view of us was even remotely accurate there would be literally hundreds of thousands of killings a year. Even over there you have to know that isn't the case.

Says who?? you and your crystal ball?? [8|]

And as I keep telling you.... compare the stats.
US gun deaths (and accidents) outrank every other first world country. [:)]

I don't care what you forecast could or would be if/what/whatever... compare the US with others.


Do you deny that there are about 3.5 million ccw holders in this country.
Do you deny that there are well over 100 million legitimate gun owners in this country?
Do you deny that you view us as trigger happy nuts?
Do you deny that the law allows us to gun down people because they might possibly be a threat.
How can you deny that if you let 3.5 million trigger happy loons loose with a blank check to kill people there would be 100s of thousands of dead people every year.
There are two options.
Massive body count
or you are wrong.
There are not 100,000 people killed by us trigger happy gun nuts so we aren't trigger happy gun nuts.

Irrelevant questions in order to obfuscate and dodge... but I'll answer them.

A) Do you deny that there are about 3.5 million ccw holders in this country
No. But it's shit-loads more per capita than here.
And.... what is the relevance of this statement?
You seem to be crowing about it as if it were an advantage; I see it as a tragedy and a death waiting to happen.
"The United Kingdom has one of the lowest rates of gun homicides in the world"
And also -
In 2012 the Home Office reported that, "in 2010/11, firearms were involved in 11,227 recorded offences in England and Wales, the seventh consecutive annual fall".
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_United_Kingdom
Note that is states 'offences', not actual deaths or injuries or near misses; it's a total number of crimes.

B) Do you deny that there are well over 100 million legitimate gun owners in this country?
Does it matter??? Is it relevant??
As above, you see it as an advantage, I don't.
The US have 3x more actual gun Deaths, than we have as 'offences'. Fact.
That makes for over 100 million legitimate and legal nutcases!!

C) Do you deny that you view us as trigger happy nuts?
For the majority of you in the US... YES!!!

D) Do you deny that the law allows us to gun down people because they might possibly be a threat.
And that's the problem.
You are allowed to kill people on the idea of possibly being a threat whereas we only allow that as a last resort and an actual threat; and only then, not with lethal force.
And don't give me that crap about last resort in the US because it is clear that your opinion (and several others on here) believe you have a god-given right to shoot people first without considering other non-lethal tactics.

E) How can you deny that if you let 3.5 million trigger happy loons loose with a blank check to kill people there would be 100s of thousands of dead people every year
Irrelevant and unsubstantiated numbers plucked out of the air.
Here's a graph that shows that the general trend for gun deaths in the US is upwards, not downwards, since 1999 (28,874 in 1999 to 32,163 in 2011).
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compareyears/194/total_number_of_gun_deaths

F) There are two options
A) Massive body count
Your numbers and assumptions - plucked out of thin air, not mine.
Show me the numbers rather than invent numbers out of your head.
B) or you are wrong.
Show me where??
G) There are not 100,000 people killed by us trigger happy gun nuts so we aren't trigger happy gun nuts
Interesting. But again, your unsubstantiated numbers, not mine or backed-up with creditable links.
So you don't consider more than 32,000 deaths as being unnecessary and caused by gun nuts??
I see... That's perfectly acceptable. Got it!! [:-]
According to Wiki, the UK has a 0.25 firearms death rate per capita compared to the US figure of 10.30.
That's a ratio of 42:1. And you think that is defensible???
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
Sheeesh!! You sure got some weird sense of humour! [8|]



freedomdwarf1 -> RE: California's gun restrictions are working! (8/31/2014 6:34:53 AM)


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

And as I keep telling you.... compare the stats.
US gun deaths (and accidents) outrank every other first world country. [:)]

Since first world means aligned with the u.s., and not a euphimism for poor and impoverished, what is you point?


You're a bit behind thompson....

The concept of the First World originated during the Cold War, involving countries that were aligned with the United States, France and the United Kingdom. These countries were largely market economies and generally democracies. After the fall of the Soviet Union, the term "First World" arguably took on a new meaning, coming to be largely synonymous with developed countries.

Whichever way you wanna slice the cake.... have a look and see if you can provide something concrete that shows something contrary to what I posted.
And considering this thread is specifically about guns and restrictions, let's not include other non-gun figures.



BamaD -> RE: California's gun restrictions are working! (8/31/2014 7:37:27 AM)


A) Do you deny that there are about 3.5 million ccw holders in this country
No. But it's shit-loads more per capita than here.
And.... what is the relevance of this statement?
You seem to be crowing about it as if it were an advantage; I see it as a tragedy and a death waiting to happen.
"The United Kingdom has one of the lowest rates of gun homicides in the world"
And also -
In 2012 the Home Office reported that, "in 2010/11, firearms were involved in 11,227 recorded offences in England and Wales, the seventh consecutive annual fall".
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_United_Kingdom
Note that is states 'offences', not actual deaths or injuries or near misses; it's a total number of crimes.
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It is a fact that has nothing to do with UK



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