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Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged countries?

US airports should have closed airports from Ebola ravaged countries.

29% (13)

The US should immediately close airports from Ebola ravished countries

38% (17)

We should never close airports from any country.

11% (5)

What the hell is going to happen next in this country?

4% (2)

I could care less, until the US has at least 100 cases of Ebola

6% (3)

I am not worried, I will never get Ebola.

4% (2)

I am worried, and I have no idea what I should do.

4% (2)

Total Votes : 44

(last vote on : 11/4/2014 8:15:41 AM)
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lilponytail -> RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged countries? (10/10/2014 2:49:53 AM)
It's a human rights and political nightmare. Who would exclude travel from "third world" countries but allow it from "developed" countries? This city I'm from, Toronto, is obviously not going to be on a banned to travel list. We went through SARS and the outcome of that was the inclusion of alcohol-based hand cleansers everywhere, and notes to contact authorities if you suffer fever, cough, etc. They installed special fever-detecting monitors at the airport and then it was all forgotten.

BenevolentM -> RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged countries? (10/10/2014 3:02:37 AM)
Thank you for acknowledging my superior intellect. My name is Khan. Evidently, if there is a Ebola outbreak in a country that manufactures goods it may be a disaster since you must handle the goods one manufactures. It still doesn't mean the disease is airborne and perhaps goods transported via a slow boat may give the disease time enough to parish. It is not a problem of just one getting through. The problem apparently has to do with how long does it survive outside of a host? Why don't we have an answer to this yet? quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM Sounds like the doctors are thinking about themselves and what it might mean to them. I say to freedomdwarf1 poppycock! It is well known that diseases are unable to thrive after their effectiveness is diminished below a certain threshold and such measures though not perfect, don't need to be perfect in order to be effective. Well then Einstein, how do you explain that a hospital worker, fully kitted up with only 2 visits to an Ebola patient and had very little contact, managed to contract Ebola in Spain??? She had never been to Africa or been in contact with anyone else with Ebola, is now in a very bad state in isolation at a Madrid hospital. It has baffled doctors and health officials as to how she contracted Ebola when she had apparently followed all the protocols and was "fully protected" at all times. The speculation is that the Ebola virus is able to survive on surfaces long enough to infect someone else when they come into contact with it. Maybe the doctors in the US aren't up to speed with the developments??? It would appear that this woman has defied all the logic and safety procedures that doctors considered as "safe". So.... what was thought of as safe, obviously isn't. Care to comment??

BenevolentM -> RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged countries? (10/10/2014 3:07:02 AM)
Why is it that we regard terrorism as more serious a problem than a disease? It is hard to out do the bitch mother nature.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged countries? (10/10/2014 3:07:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lilponytail It's a human rights and political nightmare. Who would exclude travel from "third world" countries but allow it from "developed" countries? This city I'm from, Toronto, is obviously not going to be on a banned to travel list. We went through SARS and the outcome of that was the inclusion of alcohol-based hand cleansers everywhere, and notes to contact authorities if you suffer fever, cough, etc. They installed special fever-detecting monitors at the airport and then it was all forgotten. The guy that just died in Dallas didn't have a fever when he boarded the flight to the US. The airport he left from had fever monitors.

Kaliko -> RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged countries? (10/10/2014 3:20:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: Kaliko quote: ORIGINAL: sloguy02246 Refusing to accept flights originating from airports in those countries would not solve the problem. Flights from countries with Ebola outbreaks could still fly to other countries, where the passengers could then board flights to here. E.g., a flight leaves Liberia and lands in Lisbon, Portugal. Passenger then boards a new flight from Lisbon to Miami. But wouldn't that person have a Liberian passport? All passport activity could be looked at to determine risk, no? Why wouldn't we look at individual passport activity, rather than just the origin of the flight? And what about aid workers that don't originate from said hot-spots but from elsewhere? They wouldn't have a Liberian passport. So where does that leave you? The only way to be sure is to quarantine every person from every flight for a minimum of 4 weeks. But passport activity would tell someone that an aid worker has been in Liberia, no? Even if a person doesn't have a passport from one of the stricken countries, passport activity should show where they've been and when. If we're laying out entire plans, then here's my plan. No travel out of those countries at all - to anywhere. Unless for an aid worker that has gone to help. Because they really, really need help and I wouldn't want to discourage people from helping because they think they can't get back. But the aid worker should be in a quarantine before they are released to the general public wherever they land first, even if it's not their ultimate destination. Surely we can't have that many leisure travelers from those three countries that our economy would collapse due to these travel restrictions. And yes, quarantines for aid workers would be expensive but they can't be any more expensive than the possible exorbitant medical costs of caring for more people with Ebola.

BenevolentM -> RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged countries? (10/10/2014 3:32:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM The problem apparently has to do with how long does it survive outside of a host? Why don't we have an answer to this yet? If Ebola can survive outside the host like mad cow disease or anthrax that it isn't airborne may be irrelevant. In the worst case food could be contaminated by migrant workers simply because they touched it.

BenevolentM -> RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged countries? (10/10/2014 3:34:35 AM)
This would help explain why no one has been able to find an animal that is the natural carrier of the disease. Perhaps it needs no natural carrier.

lilponytail -> RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged countries? (10/10/2014 3:41:07 AM)
Hanta virus which flourishes in the desert southwest states of the USA is also a killer threat. It most often claims victims from the Navajo and other Native communities who live in this area. There are killer viruses right here.

BenevolentM -> RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged countries? (10/10/2014 3:51:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lilponytail Hanta virus which flourishes in the desert southwest states of the USA is also a killer threat. It most often claims victims from the Navajo and other Native communities who live in this area. There are killer viruses right here. Why do you feel your assertion to be not naive? Flu also kills.

BenevolentM -> RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged countries? (10/10/2014 4:19:20 AM)
Have we managed to collect all the germaphobes in one place? On one hand the germaphobes and on the other the recovering germaphobes.

BenevolentM -> RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged countries? (10/10/2014 4:53:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM Have we managed to collect all the germaphobes in one place? On one hand the germaphobes and on the other the recovering germaphobes. This deepens my understanding of how liberals reason. They reason if a group of people can be characterized as a bunch of trekies, the topic is illegitimate.

Musicmystery -> RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged countries? (10/10/2014 6:18:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM Sounds like the doctors are thinking about themselves and what it might mean to them. quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Well, the doctors disagree with you. No...sounds like the doctors rely on strategies based on reality instead of myth, fear, and xenophobia.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged countries? (10/10/2014 6:26:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kaliko But passport activity would tell someone that an aid worker has been in Liberia, no? Even if a person doesn't have a passport from one of the stricken countries, passport activity should show where they've been and when. In theory, you are supposed to get a stamp in your passport whenever you pass through a countries' border. But in reality, that doesn't happen. I spent 5 years jet-setting all over the place for a company I worked for at the time and the only stamp I ever got was when I went to Cyprus. All the other places I went to (including all of Europe, Scandinavia, UAE, Malaysia, HK etc) didn't stamp my passport. quote: ORIGINAL: Kaliko If we're laying out entire plans, then here's my plan. No travel out of those countries at all - to anywhere. Unless for an aid worker that has gone to help. Because they really, really need help and I wouldn't want to discourage people from helping because they think they can't get back. But the aid worker should be in a quarantine before they are released to the general public wherever they land first, even if it's not their ultimate destination. I think they tried shutting down the airports in Sierra Leone for a few days with limited success. quote: ORIGINAL: Kaliko Surely we can't have that many leisure travelers from those three countries that our economy would collapse due to these travel restrictions. And yes, quarantines for aid workers would be expensive but they can't be any more expensive than the possible exorbitant medical costs of caring for more people with Ebola. Try telling that to the law makers. They aren't prepared to make that sort of recommendation just yet.

NorthernGent -> RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged countries? (10/10/2014 1:13:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lilponytail Who would exclude travel from "third world" countries but allow it from "developed" countries? Someone who doesn't fancy an outbreak of Ebola in his/her country? Gotta say, I think it would be asking a bit much to think the Yanks would say: "come on in, take a seat, shake hands, good to meet you"; and before you know it there's blood pouring from people's eyes.

DomKen -> RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged countries? (10/10/2014 1:51:26 PM)
Ebola is not a serious threat to the US or world population. It is simply too hard to catch. Please people stop freaking out over this. If you'd like to freak out over an actually dangerous to the US population hemorrhagic fever try worrying about dengue. It is spread by mosquitoes, including a species endemic to the SE US, and the virus itself is endemic to Mexico and the Caribbean. The mosquito has been moving north as the climate warms and it is only a matter of time till the virus comes with it.

BenevolentM -> RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged countries? (10/10/2014 3:42:52 PM)
quote: When dried in tissue culture media onto glass and stored at 4 °C, Zaire ebolavirus survived for over 50 days. http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/lab-bio/res/psds-ftss/ebola-eng.php Though a tough bastard the good news is that ebola is not as stable as anthrax. The bad news is food is often refrigerated.

BenevolentM -> RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged countries? (10/10/2014 3:59:04 PM)
quote: Early supportive care with rehydration, symptomatic treatment improves survival. http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs103/en/ Which is sad when you consider how many people were abandoned when they learned how Ebola is transmitted.

BenevolentM -> RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged countries? (10/10/2014 4:02:05 PM)
quote: It has also spread between countries starting in Guinea then spreading across land borders to Sierra Leone and Liberia, by air (1 traveller only) to Nigeria, and by land (1 traveller) to Senegal. http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs103/en/ And I thought it wasn't easily transmitted.

BenevolentM -> RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged countries? (10/10/2014 4:17:00 PM)
From what I've read it is easily transmitted to anyone providing a caregiving role. So if your kid has it and you wipe your kid's nose.

BenevolentM -> RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged countries? (10/10/2014 4:22:50 PM)
What they are talking about is if you can afford professional caregiving support and the professionals are on alert, it may be something that can be contained. In other words if you are a school teacher, don't wipe his nose. Get the school nurse to do it. A lot of people in the United States are without healthcare or have the ObamaCare Bronze plan.

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