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RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman - 11/13/2014 11:31:54 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgw6y3cH7tA <-- Another female walking in NYC, getting harrassed like hell!!! She's definitely not wearing any provocative at all!
I like how she does the comparision, walking around with the hijab too, looks like Malaysian Muslim authority are right. Women can't wear jeans and t-shirts as men gets "emotional distress" and lose control of themselves, seeing them in jeans and t-shirt, they need to stick to their hijab.
Looks like this is perfectly true in USA.

Yes, that would be interesting to get a comparison with the Mumbai Indian lady walking in the streets of NYC. Once it appeared one man (walking alongside another man) in passing mumbled hello, but no big deal and it didn't look as though he was checking her out.

The Muslim lady couldn't shake that one guy even though she kept telling him she wasn't interested and has a boyfriend. It was good to see while wearing a burka, she wasn't harassed for being a Muslim either, that she could go about her business unfettered, even though it was at night.

As parodies with males, the following are hilarious, and I am ROFLMAO right now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zLuCmJKeGg "10 hours walking in Seattle as an Asian (woman walking in NYC parody)"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5mmp-uwNNY "10 Hours of Walking in NYC as a Jew"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usMMr8Po2fM "10 Hours of Walking in Hollywood as a Latina"

ETA: Not a parody: "10 Hours of Walking in LA as a Drag Queen" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X9QbXbNZ-g

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RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman - 11/14/2014 5:17:47 AM

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In Singapore, on a Sunday, we have a little India that are flooded by Indians. And it's like serious crowded, cars have to be very careful driving through as it's almost as if all 1 million Indians in Singapore gather in that tiny area. Also, majority of them who hang out there are lower educated and work as construction workers.

But the thing is, I have walked through there alone at night in much more revealing clothings, braless, short skirt and tube top, my nipples can be seen sticking out through my top, I would say I dress provocatively, and I really get zero harassment. The Indians just mind their own business, exactly like that video. They are working to feed their families back home and just want to relax on a weekend, they don't bother women at all. And infact are often very nice and polite and respectful if you speak to them. Infact, I'd say that the race that gets all the trouble for molestation are the Caucasians, because their culture is very touchy feelly and overly friendly, of course, you just do not touch an Asian woman, ever without her clear permission. Even a tap on the shoulder is not acceptable. It would be a molest charge. On top of that, Asian males will over-react, act as witness, call the police, it would be one big shit, if an Asian female scream molest when a white man touches her. And many of these incidents, the white guy may have brush an arm, nothing major like touching breasts, thighs or any private parts. I think this happens far less with Asian guys because it's just more conservative. And if an Asian guy commit molestation, it would be serious like grabbing or squeezing of breast or butt, like real serious stuffs, and these would probably be mentally ill, as compared to a caucasian who was just doing something innocently unknowningly it would be that offensive. Many just pay off the girl to call off pressing charges.

But I was reading on youtube some Indians commented that, this is due to prostitution being legal. It is true that if these workers wanted a prostitute to just sate their lust, they can get it cheap, and also easily with a rather beautiful woman, it doesn't cost much. I wonder if that makes a difference in preventing them from harassing women on the streets as there is no need to if they want sex.

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RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman - 11/14/2014 5:27:04 AM

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Yes, I fully expected to get trashed here - makes me understand why the human race will eventually collapse.
It seems odd that a man can't even compliment a woman without being accused of being a "jerk", etc.
When I was gainfully employed, almost all the males would keep away from the women - NOBODY wanted any career-ending oopsies...

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RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman - 11/14/2014 5:37:19 AM

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Not a parody: "10 Hours of Walking in LA as a Drag Queen" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X9QbXbNZ-g

Oh wow, I always say a transgendered female always have hotter legs than a real woman any day.

He looks hot, even with the beard! Anyway, alot of people were applauding him for being brave to walk on the streets like that, but also, there were alot of mean people who find men cross dressing unacceptable.

But I do have to say that transgender in my country will get alot of stares. But we are still backwards and homosexuality is against the law.

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RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman - 11/14/2014 5:40:04 AM

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It seems odd that a man can't even compliment a woman without being accused of being a "jerk", etc.

You can compliment a woman for her brain, but you cannot compliment her for her looks unless she is your girlfriend or wife. So if you love to give compliments, start praising their intelligence instead.

Why don't you go around complimenting men on how good looking they are or what hot bodies they have? You don't at all, so why do it to women? I bet if you do it to a man, they will punch you, that's why you won't do it to men. So why should a woman be flattered, because she's weaker and easier target and generally won't physically attack you for it?

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When I was gainfully employed, almost all the males would keep away from the women - NOBODY wanted any career-ending oopsies...

As right as it should be. Men at work shouldn't everyday be sexualising women and commenting on their appearances, and body to them.

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RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman - 11/14/2014 6:08:40 AM

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Yes, I fully expected to get trashed here - makes me understand why the human race will eventually collapse.
It seems odd that a man can't even compliment a woman without being accused of being a "jerk", etc.
When I was gainfully employed, almost all the males would keep away from the women - NOBODY wanted any career-ending oopsies...

OK, its been said OVER AND OVER in this thread...there is a way to compliment someone you know with tact.

On the street, as a stranger, is not that.

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RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman - 11/14/2014 6:21:27 AM

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Yes, I fully expected to get trashed here - makes me understand why the human race will eventually collapse.
It seems odd that a man can't even compliment a woman without being accused of being a "jerk", etc.
When I was gainfully employed, almost all the males would keep away from the women - NOBODY wanted any career-ending oopsies...

It's also because if someone compliments me, I always smile and say thank you.

On the street, however, if you smile they start trying to talk to you so it's a difficult line to draw, being courteous to those who keep following you.

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RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman - 11/14/2014 6:29:26 AM

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As parodies with males, the following are hilarious, and I am ROFLMAO right now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb2piKgDY9k

This batman one is the funniest! But I gotta say! Some of the things those guys say to batman make me wanna punch them on batman's behalf!! Lol! So mean!

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RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman - 11/14/2014 6:44:12 AM

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Well, it seems clear what your thoughts about men are.
I will leave, since it appears I cannot contribute to the discussion.

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RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman - 11/14/2014 6:59:18 AM

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***EDIT*** this is in response to Greta75

Well, it seems clear what your thoughts about men are.
I will leave, since it appears I cannot contribute to the discussion.

No, you obviously can't...off you go and take that big chip with you

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RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman - 11/14/2014 6:59:26 AM

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Well, it seems clear what your thoughts about men are.
I will leave, since it appears I cannot contribute to the discussion.

It is clear you want to practice double standards and then complain about it. Refusing to give men compliments on their appearances because you know they would get upset with you but you are apparently very considerate towards their feelings, so you don't go around giving men compliments, but then criticizing women for reacting the same way not caring about how it makes them feel.
Fortunately, there are plenty of men that ain't like you, so please do not use yourself to represent all men.

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RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman - 11/14/2014 7:08:15 AM

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But I was reading on youtube some Indians commented that, this is due to prostitution being legal. It is true that if these workers wanted a prostitute to just sate their lust, they can get it cheap, and also easily with a rather beautiful woman, it doesn't cost much. I wonder if that makes a difference in preventing them from harassing women on the streets as there is no need to if they want sex.

I've heard this argument before applied to rape statistics (suggesting the rape rate is lower in countries with legalized prostitution), although it seems to be a bit more complicated than that.

http://prostitution.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000122
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/07/17/when-rhode-island-accidentally-legalized-prostitution-rape-and-stis-decreased-sharply/

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RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman - 11/14/2014 7:32:37 AM

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I was reading one of those articles analyzing if prostitution is rape. These men just want to choose a woman whom they think is beautiful and have an easy way to sleep with them, with very little effort. Paying for it serves that purpose.

As for the woman involve in offering such services. I still support legalization and more regulation and licensing. You know, like quarterly compulsory health checks, making condoms compulsory, and of course, for a woman to get a license to practice, she needs to go through some kind of psychological test to ensure that she's not coerce into it or blackmailed into it, but she is doing this on her own free will, because this is the job she wants to do.

And then they should be allowed to pick and choose their customer and refuse any customer they do not want to serve. It's like running a business, some customers, even at restaurants, you kick them out if they were behaving inappropriately, and if they don't leave, you call the police. This forces men to also treat prostitute with respect if they knew they can't cross a certain line without getting in trouble with the law.

Sex workers deserve the law on their side and protection too.

I don't get the rape argument if the prostitute is consensual and well protected by the law. I see more like, for example, when you go for a massage, you still take off your clothes, and someone rubs your body all over to give you relief from the aches and pains in your body. Same thing, except it may involve penetration to give relief to someone as a service.

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RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman - 11/14/2014 7:48:01 AM

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Three cities which allowed open prostitution experienced a decline in rape after prostitution was again prohibited. Rapists include men who do not patronize prostitutes.

The fact that they experienced a decline in rape, means that, it legalising prostitution has just eliminated a significant number of would be rapists who infact are just happy and content to find easier sex in a consensual setting with money exchanged.

Of course there will always be a minority of men who still wants the joy of non-consensual and prostitutes are too consensual for them. There will always be! But key point is, rape went down.

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Finally, in Vietnam, brothels for the American military were officially sanctioned and incorporated into the base-camp recreation areas and yet G.I. rape and sexual abuse of Vietnamese women and girls is one of the most atrocious chapters of violence in U.S. history.

War situation makes everybody animals. Not a fair judgement, because clearly all those men knew they could go after non-consenting women prisoner of war because there were no consequences in doing so. If those soldiers were punished severely, it would have stopped. Clearly someone on top was closing an eye and it was totally corrupt.

No matter what crime in this world, there has to be a regulatory consequence to keep people's bad side in check.

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RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman - 11/14/2014 8:45:29 AM

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I've heard this argument before applied to rape statistics (suggesting the rape rate is lower in countries with legalized prostitution), although it seems to be a bit more complicated than that.
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I believe that it is way more complicated than that. First of all, statistics go by filed reports and convictions. Right there is the first statistical flaw.
Then for proponents of prostitution to conclude that lower rates of reporting and/or convictions in areas where prostitution has been legalized are assuming that this is a by-product of direct cause-and-effect correlations.
I don't buy it. Who's to say that a man cannot now claim that a woman claiming rape was procuring for sex? His word against hers.
I think it was smileforme on a thread a few months back that brought up the Rhode Island legalization topic who made a similar point, about underreporting. Rape survivors aren't going to come forward or ensure that that this crime gets prosecuted from start to finish if they feel they won't get taken seriously or end up getting re-victimized by the justice system and/or the public-at-large.

Greta, there are prostitutes who get stiffed or robbed, and this would technically be a kind of rape. Perhaps in your country, the police take such matters seriously.
Also the mentality of a rapist doesn't lend itself to consensuality. If it were just a matter of money, then only broke-ass sexual offenders would be doing the raping.
With GBH and other incapacitating date-rape chemicals, would-be rapists can operate under the radar with relative ease.
Surely a yuppie can afford to hire a sex worker and use an escort service.

On the other hand, I've heard it said that rape has nothing to do with sex, that's it's all about the power & control. Sure, it's about sex. And power. And control. Sex is used as a weapon and a penis is the instrument of choice.
It's also about taking what is not yours to take, what is off limits or what should remain off limits. It can be an opportunistic victimization or a premeditated one.
Consensuality in such a case would be like a wet rag. It wouldn't enhance the rapist's sexual performance or his ability to experience the sick thrill he gets out of overpowering his victim.

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RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman - 11/14/2014 9:26:49 AM

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Greta, there are prostitutes who get stiffed or robbed, and this would technically be a kind of rape. Perhaps in your country, the police take such matters seriously.

Because the prostitute cannot get the police involve, if there were proper regulations in place, unions for prostitutes, so pimps have to take care of their welfare, like any other occupation, it wouldn't be this horrible dangerous place.

Um, anybody who gets stiffed and robbed is taken seriously by police, regardless what their career is, at least in my country. But my country's legalized prostitution needs alot more work, because their regulation is not protective enough.

I think the real truth about why prostitutes aren't getting any protection from the law is because, it's too much work, and alot of investment of taxpayer money. Easier to ban.

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Who's to say that a man cannot now claim that a woman claiming rape was procuring for sex? His word against hers.

Basically you are saying that possibly when prostitution is legalized, they go rape prostitutes against their will instead of find women in other careers to rape? So that attributes to the sharp drop in rape?

In a proper regulated environment, if she was raped, assuming she put up a defense, there should be bruises, or anyway, injuries of force entry in some places, those will be proof enough that she was raped. All you need is a few guys convicted heavily for raping prostitutes, because prostitutes should be treated like a normal rape situation too, men will start being more respectful towards them.

I think in a regulated environment, it's like running a massage parlour, they got to be employed by businesses who will have security and have regular employees welfare. Businesses have to follow strict protocols on humane worker treatment. Just like any other ordinary job. So many other jobs have so many basic right protection. Prostitution just needs the same.

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On the other hand, I've heard it said that rape has nothing to do with sex, that's it's all about the power & control. Sure, it's about sex. And power. And control.

That's what money does. Paying someone who would not have sex with you ever, if you didn't pay. That's power and control too, money is power.

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RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman - 11/14/2014 10:08:42 AM

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Well, if Mod 3 has time.
I feel bad wasting their volunteer work on things like that.

I can count many other things I would find a waste of my time before something like this. If it will fit, you will have it.

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RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman - 11/14/2014 11:05:53 AM

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Well, if Mod 3 has time.
I feel bad wasting their volunteer work on things like that.

I can count many other things I would find a waste of my time before something like this. If it will fit, you will have it.

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RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman - 11/14/2014 11:12:28 AM

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Aw you're the best! Thank you!

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RE: 10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman - 11/14/2014 12:27:10 PM

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Um, anybody who gets stiffed and robbed is taken seriously by police, regardless what their career is, at least in my country. But my country's legalized prostitution needs alot more work, because their regulation is not protective enough.

I think the real truth about why prostitutes aren't getting any protection from the law is because, it's too much work, and alot of investment of taxpayer money. Easier to ban.

I'm not thinking so much about brothel establishments where they have their own security, but of the independent sex worker who doesn't have a bodyguard at her disposal. Whether prostitution is legalized or not, I don't know that the profession itself would become any safer outside of a whorehouse environment where the House gets the lion's share of revenue. I didn't mean to get off track here. Like with the CraigsList killer, many of these rapists resent women, enjoy beating them up or getting over on them, and will also try to rob them. Or maybe I've been watching and reading too many True Crime stories over the years, sort of a hobby of mine.

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Basically you are saying that possibly when prostitution is legalized, they go rape prostitutes against their will instead of find women in other careers to rape? So that attributes to the sharp drop in rape?

No, that's not what I meant, and I didn't explain myself well enough. With legalization comes a greater supply and accessibility. Not only that, those who will exploit will continue to exploit, so human sex trafficking can operate with greater ease also under the banner of legalized prostitution. Some men who have the mentality that they can order off of a sex menu, start craving more exotic dishes or that which is taboo. See this link about Nevada sex trafficking, where prostitution is legal in most parts of the state. (I have a better one on underage sex slavery that I can't locate at the moment, a growing problem throughout the state.)
http://www.mynews4.com/news/local/story/Human-Trafficking-a-Problem-in-Northern-Nevada/tNscBHC9TUeJhKFQAlEDiA.cspx
http://www.nevadabusiness.com/2014/11/public-can-help-reverse-devastating-trend-treating-child-sex-trafficking-victims-criminals/

Here's a couple on your country: "Singapore is a destination country for women and girls who are trafficked from Thailand, the Philippines, the People’s Republic of China, and Indonesia for commercial sexual and labor exploitation. Some women voluntarily migrate to Singapore to work as prostitutes but are later coerced into sexual servitude."
http://www.humantrafficking.org/countries/singapore
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-11-03/singapore-passes-its-first-law-against-human-trafficking
There are no simple solutions to an age-old problem. Legalized prostitution acts as a gateway for other illegal sexual activities.

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On the other hand, I've heard it said that rape has nothing to do with sex, that's it's all about the power & control. Sure, it's about sex. And power. And control.

That's what money does. Paying someone who would not have sex with you ever, if you didn't pay. That's power and control too, money is power.

Let's hope that this serves as an outlet and therefore an indirect deterrent for those who might otherwise cross over the line.
ETA: It didn't stop Ted Bundy, and he wasn't a bad-looking man, and was notorious for his charming manner which helped him lure his victims.

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