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RE: What is happening in Sydney? - 12/16/2014 3:43:40 AM   
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Being a Sydneysider, I am of course quite biased but I do believe that our reaction to this incident offers an example of how to respond to terrorist attacks that the world could do well to study and learn from.


I can't see what the rest of the world could learn from Sydneysiders' reaction, Tweak. I see no discussion of new and exciting methods of torturing people, for instance.

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RE: What is happening in Sydney? - 12/16/2014 4:22:12 AM   
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Being a Sydneysider, I am of course quite biased but I do believe that our reaction to this incident offers an example of how to respond to terrorist attacks that the world could do well to study and learn from.


I can't see what the rest of the world could learn from Sydneysiders' reaction, Tweak. I see no discussion of new and exciting methods of torturing people, for instance.

How sharp of you to recognise the flaws underlying my little bit of shameless self promotion. It is quite remiss of me to fail to spot the opportunity to indulge in some petty genocide - unforgivable really. And I have no excuse to offer for my inability to engage in minority baiting or dog whistling. Your point about torture is taken - surely this was a chance for some creative waterboarding under the expresso machine. That could have been an impressive bit of improvisation don't you think?

The far fetched notion that by being nice to people, by standing beside and with them in their hour of need will be reciprocated in kind by a grateful group of [unacceptable word removed] with long histories of compassion towards infidels is clearly a lefty-liberal aberrationdelusion, possibly induced by too much time spent in the sun. It almost goes without saying that given an inch those eebil Mooslims will take a mile and demand on the introduction of sharia law as their quid pro quo.

Yes it's true - the defence of our Western way of life, of Christianity Mum and apple pie - starts at our local Lindt Chocolate & Coffee shop. And if those nefarious eebil Mooslims dare to come between us and our traditional way of life, then by all means let's bomb them back into the Stone Age. Sometimes the old tried and trusted methods are the best aren't they? We wouldn't be where we are today without them would we?

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RE: What is happening in Sydney? - 12/16/2014 4:47:58 AM   
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Will Barack will tell us that these Islamists arent Islamic

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Taliban storm Pakistani school, killing 126 (children)

http://news.yahoo.com/pakistan-taliban-attack-military-school-kill-2-072153239.html


Will there ever be widespread backlash against Islamists, and the book that teaches their ideology

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RE: What is happening in Sydney? - 12/16/2014 5:40:24 AM   
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This shows:

1) the dangers of fundamentalist head-in-the-sand interpretations -- Christian, Islam, Buddhist, Atheist...anyone on a self-righteous mission

2) the dangers of small-minded people using a small percentage to paint an entire group, off on a self-righteous mission.

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RE: What is happening in Sydney? - 12/16/2014 5:50:19 AM   
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This shows:

1) the dangers of fundamentalist head-in-the-sand interpretations -- Christian, Islam, Buddhist, Atheist...anyone on a self-righteous mission



Yeah those damn Amish, I tell ya... They're out to take over the world


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2) the dangers of small-minded people using a small percentage to paint an entire group, off on a self-righteous mission.


As in.... Leftist rioters vs. cops?





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RE: What is happening in Sydney? - 12/16/2014 5:59:36 AM   
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It's interesting you say that about the Amish -- there's a conservative here who keeps running for the House, and one of his issues is that the Amish here use the roads for their carriages, and he's pissed off about it, doesn't think they should get special consideration, and keeps running to put an end to it.

So yes, there are conservatives as nutty as your rants.

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RE: What is happening in Sydney? - 12/16/2014 6:01:08 AM   
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It's interesting you say that about the Amish -- there's a conservative here who keeps running for the House, and one of his issues is that the Amish here use the roads for their carriages, and he's pissed off about it, doesn't think they should get special consideration, and keeps running to put an end to it.

So yes, there are conservatives as nutty as your rants.


Wow! Another ad hominem!!!

Poor guy!!!

you sure only one crutch will do you in this thread???

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RE: What is happening in Sydney? - 12/16/2014 6:10:58 AM   
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Nonetheless, that's the guy, that's his platform, and that's his proudly ranted affiliation.

If the shoe fits you, so you be it.

He's still not getting elected.

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RE: What is happening in Sydney? - 12/16/2014 6:15:26 AM   
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Nonetheless, that's the guy, that's his platform, and that's his proudly ranted affiliation.

If the shoe fits you, so you be it.

He's still not getting elected.


Now the derail...



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RE: What is happening in Sydney? - 12/16/2014 7:59:56 AM   
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Peshawar school attack: Taliban 'burn teacher alive in front of pupils and behead children'

If I understand the previous poster correctly, there is little to be said about this because the Amish are just as bad, or someone who is supposedly conservative doesn't like the Amish using the roads, or something like that.

Dont quite get it, myself.

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RE: What is happening in Sydney? - 12/16/2014 8:03:51 AM   
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Just so everyone is aware:

It may be time for some members to utilize the block feature if they are unable to resist following one another around the forum (harassment), turning every thread into a nightmare of personal attack and possibly agenda driven.

I am not going to have staff become mediators. When I start shooting I am not going to care who I take out. If we need to go back to hardcore-over-moderation, I will consider it for a time. The Feisty sections were a test feature and can be canceled at any time.

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RE: What is happening in Sydney? - 12/16/2014 9:02:48 AM   
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How sharp of you to recognise the flaws underlying my little bit of shameless self promotion. It is quite remiss of me to fail to spot the opportunity to indulge in some petty genocide - unforgivable really. And I have no excuse to offer for my inability to engage in minority baiting or dog whistling. Your point about torture is taken - surely this was a chance for some creative waterboarding under the expresso machine. That could have been an impressive bit of improvisation don't you think?

The far fetched notion that by being nice to people, by standing beside and with them in their hour of need will be reciprocated in kind by a grateful group of towelheads with long histories of compassion towards infidels is clearly a lefty-liberal aberrationdelusion, possibly induced by too much time spent in the sun. It almost goes without saying that given an inch those eebil Mooslims will take a mile and demand on the introduction of sharia law as their quid pro quo.

Yes it's true - the defence of our Western way of life, of Christianity Mum and apple pie - starts at our local Lindt Chocolate & Coffee shop. And if those nefarious eebil Mooslims dare to come between us and our traditional way of life, then by all means let's bomb them back into the Stone Age. Sometimes the old tried and trusted methods are the best aren't they? We wouldn't be where we are today without them would we?


Do you really think this type of post is appropriate to this thread?

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RE: What is happening in Sydney? - 12/16/2014 10:29:58 AM   
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this is a Fast Reply-

It seems that this person had mental issues/instability.. so how is this a terrorism thing any more than someone killing because he/she heard voices telling him/her to kill their children to "save" them or send them to a "better place" or someone saying Satan told them to.. or a mentally ill husband who takes his wife and kids hostage or commits murder suicide.. or of any other delusions a mentally ill person would come up with? It seems to me that many of these types of incidents are a result of mental problems that are not treated or properly treated and that should be a greater focus.. wasn't there another thread here a while ago about a mentally ill person turned killer & how the health care system fails the mentally ill? (maybe Newtown?).. anyway, that's jmo..

http://www.dw.de/sydney-gunman-had-history-of-mental-instability/a-18133289

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/09/17/aaron-alexis-another-improperly-treated-mentally-ill-man-becomes-mass-killer/


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RE: What is happening in Sydney? - 12/16/2014 10:53:24 AM   
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It seems that this person had mental issues/instability..


Do you also think the beheadings are an act of the mentally ill... Do you think the purposeful killing of 137 innocent children are the act of the mentally ill... do you think the purposeful bombing and killing of 80 children an act of the mentally ill...Do you think the shooting of little girls in the head or acid in the face because of wanting to learn an act of the mentally ill? Do you think the purposeful flying of planes into skyscrapers and the death of 3, 000 the act of the mentally ill...To say the above is to say those that follow radical Islam are bat shit crazy... You are right.

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RE: What is happening in Sydney? - 12/16/2014 12:05:56 PM   
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How sharp of you to recognise the flaws underlying my little bit of shameless self promotion. It is quite remiss of me to fail to spot the opportunity to indulge in some petty genocide - unforgivable really. And I have no excuse to offer for my inability to engage in minority baiting or dog whistling. Your point about torture is taken - surely this was a chance for some creative waterboarding under the expresso machine. That could have been an impressive bit of improvisation don't you think?

The far fetched notion that by being nice to people, by standing beside and with them in their hour of need will be reciprocated in kind by a grateful group of towelheads with long histories of compassion towards infidels is clearly a lefty-liberal aberrationdelusion, possibly induced by too much time spent in the sun. It almost goes without saying that given an inch those eebil Mooslims will take a mile and demand on the introduction of sharia law as their quid pro quo.

Yes it's true - the defence of our Western way of life, of Christianity Mum and apple pie - starts at our local Lindt Chocolate & Coffee shop. And if those nefarious eebil Mooslims dare to come between us and our traditional way of life, then by all means let's bomb them back into the Stone Age. Sometimes the old tried and trusted methods are the best aren't they? We wouldn't be where we are today without them would we?


Do you really think this type of post is appropriate to this thread?

Butch



To be fair, it was me who started the heavy-duty black humour stuff. I chucked the ball and Tweak caught it.

Sweeping that all aside: I really do think that the way those Aussies rose to the occasion was brilliant. *That's* the way to do it.

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RE: What is happening in Sydney? - 12/16/2014 12:37:58 PM   
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RE: What is happening in Sydney? - 12/16/2014 1:03:20 PM   
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I don't mean how the authorities handled the hostage situation; I mean how the Sydney-dwellers (Sydneyites? Help me here, Tweak) made a campaign out of showing that they felt no ill will towards Muslims in general.

Here's the gen on what happened: http://edition.cnn.com/2014/12/15/world/asia/australia-hostage-illridewithyou/index.html

God, something occurs that actually *helps* race relations. Superb. I was beginning to think I'd never see the day.

(I keep getting images of Crocodile Dundee sitting next to a Muslim on a bus and saying, 'Keep your headdress wear it is, mate. No worries.'. Heh. Stereotype, I know, but not so bad as stereotypes go.)

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RE: What is happening in Sydney? - 12/16/2014 1:47:11 PM   
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this is a Fast Reply-

It seems that this person had mental issues/instability.. so how is this a terrorism thing any more than someone killing because he/she heard voices telling him/her to kill their children to "save" them or send them to a "better place" or someone saying Satan told them to.. or a mentally ill husband who takes his wife and kids hostage or commits murder suicide.. or of any other delusions a mentally ill person would come up with? It seems to me that many of these types of incidents are a result of mental problems that are not treated or properly treated and that should be a greater focus.. wasn't there another thread here a while ago about a mentally ill person turned killer & how the health care system fails the mentally ill? (maybe Newtown?).. anyway, that's jmo..

http://www.dw.de/sydney-gunman-had-history-of-mental-instability/a-18133289

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/09/17/aaron-alexis-another-improperly-treated-mentally-ill-man-becomes-mass-killer/



It seems as though you have forgotten the first rule of being a terrorist and that is to Terrorize.

Terror is a tactic, not a faith or a mental illness.

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RE: What is happening in Sydney? - 12/16/2014 2:05:02 PM   
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Then you did not pay attention to what happened in the US after 9/11. If is a shame that it takes something like this to bring people together... But let me give a warning... this togetherness only goes so far and wears thin quickly if violence continues.

Butch

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RE: What is happening in Sydney? - 12/16/2014 3:02:36 PM   
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'Sydneysiders' Peon.............and yes, they rose to the occasion, they rose to it quickly and it seemed almost spontaneous; without some lard-arsed, full of hot air and his own importance, politician, calling for it. I think it is really brilliant on their (the Sydneysiders) part and I hope the majority of Aussies follow their lead.
We had a similar mass killing a while back by a bloke called Martin Bryant. I believe his close family got as bit of stick but nobody called for a race-war against whites.

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