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RE: submissive rights... - 12/29/2014 10:27:54 AM   
Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: iwillsurrnder

I was talking to a Dom and He decided He wanted to meet me for dinner. i had agreed to meet with the condition that i do not get sexual on a first meet. When i put this condition on meeting, He changed from dinner to having a drink. He told me that in order to meet, He had to have full control over everything including whether or not there would be sex. i told Him that i could not agree to that. i am single and new to this and i am not here to be used by every Dom i meet for the first time and that is why i have this rule for myself. He told me that He doesn't think i am submissive because i have this rule in place to protect myself from being taken advantage of. He told me that i was trying to be in control. i was told by a friend that happens to be a Dom, i should have this rule in place. So, my question is...as long as i am not taken...do i have the right to say no sex at a first meet?

I'm confused about what exactly is the problem here?

You have the right to say no. You have the right to have a sensible rule. You have the right to say "Nope, next!"

He also has the right to have his rules and to say next.

You two should clearly go your separate ways and find better fits.

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RE: submissive rights... - 12/29/2014 10:29:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Kaliko


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In her defence, as a newcomer it does seem a bit weird for everyone to answer questions when they are asked in a specific section like "Ask a master" etc. I'm not sure why these separate sections even exist because theres no point to them really. Nobody takes a blind bit of notice to who the questions are addressed. Not saying they should care, just that it seems silly to have the 'ask a whoever' bits at all when you get responses from everyone. Unless there's a point I'm not seeing?





I agree.

Absolutely.

But try to raise that point, and the flames will come from every direction from every ego defending its "rights."


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RE: submissive rights... - 1/8/2015 3:49:26 PM   
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Thank you Sir,
You have no idea how much you have helped this girl. Now i know what to look for in a true Dom. i am a natural but since i have been on this site it seems that every Dom i have spoken with has treated me like he owned me from day one and demand i show my body do they have that right? Sir i humbly thank thee for a good lesson learned.

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RE: submissive rights... - 1/9/2015 7:26:07 AM   
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"i am a natural but since i have been on this site it seems that every Dom i have spoken with has treated me like he owned me from day one and demand i show my body do they have that right?"

Nope. Not only do they not have that right, but they're not interested in meeting you in person. Move on. And attend real life events and eet people in real life.

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RE: submissive rights... - 1/9/2015 7:57:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kaliko


quote:

ORIGINAL: SweetForDaddy

In her defence, as a newcomer it does seem a bit weird for everyone to answer questions when they are asked in a specific section like "Ask a master" etc. I'm not sure why these separate sections even exist because theres no point to them really. Nobody takes a blind bit of notice to who the questions are addressed. Not saying they should care, just that it seems silly to have the 'ask a whoever' bits at all when you get responses from everyone. Unless there's a point I'm not seeing?





I agree.

Absolutely.

But try to raise that point, and the flames will come from every direction from every ego defending its "rights."



Oh I dunno.

If someone asks something in "Ask a Master", the answers you get from masters might very well be different from other submissives.
And.... maybe an answer from a fellow submissive is more appropriate or fitting to the OP??

The same with any other section really.
Input and views from both sides is surely more productive than any one-sided PoV??


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RE: submissive rights... - 1/9/2015 8:35:33 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: iwillsurrnder

I was talking to a Dom and He decided He wanted to meet me for dinner. i had agreed to meet with the condition that i do not get sexual on a first meet. When i put this condition on meeting, He changed from dinner to having a drink. He told me that in order to meet, He had to have full control over everything including whether or not there would be sex. i told Him that i could not agree to that. i am single and new to this and i am not here to be used by every Dom i meet for the first time and that is why i have this rule for myself. He told me that He doesn't think i am submissive because i have this rule in place to protect myself from being taken advantage of. He told me that i was trying to be in control. i was told by a friend that happens to be a Dom, i should have this rule in place. So, my question is...as long as i am not taken...do i have the right to say no sex at a first meet?
My first thought when I read this was "Really? There are stll those out there trying to run this? Really?". But then, there are always those submissives who have not done any reading about D/s by people like John Warren or Devon/Miller or who have not done any research into past threads or...do not mean to offend here...have not asked themselves this simple question group: "why would I have sex with him just because he says so on our first date? Because he says it's 'the dominant's choice'? Why? He is NOT MY dominant...yet". They are the ones who wonder about this.

That last bit...my simple question group...comes from listening to some smart, experienced female submissives on here discussing the differences and similarities in a vanilla meet and greet and a D/s meet and greet. The majority believe that there is no significant difference. Yes, in D/s M and G, the gentleman claims to be a dominant. And? That claim gives him no special consideration over any other man on a first date. In the initial stages of getting to know each other, the dominant has as much "power" as the submissive gives him...and that he is willing to accept. If he wants more, he is free to tell her so. And she is free to say "no". At that point, he is free to accept that or explain why he wants more power or move on. He is never free to go beyond her boundaries unless they are in a relationship and ways of going beyond her boundaries have been determined and agreed upon.

One last thing...I do not agree with Manko that sex does not come until a collar. I consider a collar a very serious step. I've collared two submissives. I've been involved with several more. I had sex with all of them...not bragging, just saying. I am not going to collar someone just to have sex with them, anymore than I would put an engagement ring on a vanilla girl just so I can finally fuck her. What if the sex is no good? Take the collar/ring away?




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RE: submissive rights... - 1/9/2015 9:09:47 AM   
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That claim gives him no special consideration over any other man on a first date.

I'll go further. If a sub is with a man who claims to be a Dominant, she needs to view him more critically than she would a vanilla man. He could hold tremendous control over her, for example if she is tied up.

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RE: submissive rights... - 1/9/2015 10:23:53 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

That claim gives him no special consideration over any other man on a first date.

I'll go further. If a sub is with a man who claims to be a Dominant, she needs to view him more critically than she would a vanilla man. He could hold tremendous control over her, for example if she is tied up.
Good point, Dark...and I'm sure there is at least ONE submissive on this site who has just such a horror story.

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RE: submissive rights... - 1/9/2015 10:57:05 AM   
Bhruic


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ORIGINAL: SweetForDaddy

In her defence, as a newcomer it does seem a bit weird for everyone to answer questions when they are asked in a specific section like "Ask a master" etc. I'm not sure why these separate sections even exist because theres no point to them really. Nobody takes a blind bit of notice to who the questions are addressed. Not saying they should care, just that it seems silly to have the 'ask a whoever' bits at all when you get responses from everyone. Unless there's a point I'm not seeing?




Unless you are a staunch literalist, it is generally considered - I think - that "ask a master" is for questions regarding the left side of the slash, and "ask a submissive/slave" is for questions regarding the right side of the slash... not a limitation on who may answer.

For that matter, this entire site is not restricted to "chat" about "collars". ;-)

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RE: submissive rights... - 1/9/2015 12:41:55 PM   
Musicmystery


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quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kaliko


quote:

ORIGINAL: SweetForDaddy

In her defence, as a newcomer it does seem a bit weird for everyone to answer questions when they are asked in a specific section like "Ask a master" etc. I'm not sure why these separate sections even exist because theres no point to them really. Nobody takes a blind bit of notice to who the questions are addressed. Not saying they should care, just that it seems silly to have the 'ask a whoever' bits at all when you get responses from everyone. Unless there's a point I'm not seeing?





I agree.

Absolutely.

But try to raise that point, and the flames will come from every direction from every ego defending its "rights."



Oh I dunno.

If someone asks something in "Ask a Master", the answers you get from masters might very well be different from other submissives.
And.... maybe an answer from a fellow submissive is more appropriate or fitting to the OP??

The same with any other section really.
Input and views from both sides is surely more productive than any one-sided PoV??


Begs the Question

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RE: submissive rights... - 1/9/2015 2:44:55 PM   
SweetForDaddy


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bhruic


quote:

ORIGINAL: SweetForDaddy

In her defence, as a newcomer it does seem a bit weird for everyone to answer questions when they are asked in a specific section like "Ask a master" etc. I'm not sure why these separate sections even exist because theres no point to them really. Nobody takes a blind bit of notice to who the questions are addressed. Not saying they should care, just that it seems silly to have the 'ask a whoever' bits at all when you get responses from everyone. Unless there's a point I'm not seeing?




Unless you are a staunch literalist, it is generally considered - I think - that "ask a master" is for questions regarding the left side of the slash, and "ask a submissive/slave" is for questions regarding the right side of the slash... not a limitation on who may answer.

For that matter, this entire site is not restricted to "chat" about "collars". ;-)


Nor Space, tis true!

I just think it could be clearer. Ask advice about masters, or submissives etc would make more sense to me. It might solve some of the problems on the boards for new posters.

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RE: submissive rights... - 1/10/2015 12:06:03 PM   
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Hi, iwillsurrnder;
I'm a gay sub, so I don't have a horse in this race. I'm trying not to be cruel about this. But aren't you trying to fulfill some kind of fantasy? Aren't you just waiting for the first dom to say, "Yup, I have the right to bang you after I say hello"? And, hopefully he says to prove you're a true submissive, he brought along 20 of his closest friends?

You asked a very basic question of your personal safety, like "Should I jump in front of a moving bus". All the people on the bus have given you all the very same good advice. But you're waiting for the bus driver to say it's okay? Why?
Is it because you've never been on a bus before?
Rich



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RE: submissive rights... - 1/10/2015 1:18:32 PM   
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Rich



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RE: submissive rights... - 1/10/2015 1:21:26 PM   
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Rich




iPad?

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RE: submissive rights... - 1/10/2015 8:52:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant


quote:

ORIGINAL: louisboy




Rich




iPad?
iAmbad?

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RE: submissive rights... - 1/11/2015 8:59:21 AM   
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nvm...not worth the time nor energy.

< Message edited by UnholyBear -- 1/11/2015 9:06:22 AM >


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RE: submissive rights... - 1/11/2015 9:07:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


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ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant


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ORIGINAL: louisboy




Rich




iPad?
iAmbad?




Android?

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RE: submissive rights... - 1/11/2015 10:51:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: iwillsurrnder

Try reading the replies, honey.

I posted this to see what Doms had to say...not subs, anyway! If I wanted your opinion I would have posted in ask a sub...

Your opinion can be kept to yourself!



Oh, I'm a sucker for a good hissy fit.

For one, this isn't a black and white space. The submissives aren't corralled in their own forum, and beaten if they escape. The forums state the topic, but usually there is a place for responses from both sides of the kneel. Your topic actually begs for a submissive viewpoint since it is one about safety in meeting potential partners, and when or if to turn on the green light.

As full disclosure I am a switch. I have had dynamics where I was predominantly a dominant sadist, and I will admit that I have had more as a submissive masochist. These days I am rolling in the deep in a sadomasochistic switch dynamic that revels in power play. And when there is a coin toss it isn't for top and bottom, we both play for power so when we let the chips fall it is in a D/s context.

First off: please drop the whole "true dom" BS from your vocabulary. Any dominant who's worth a damn pretty much universally will not use that terminology. However, predators tend to love it. "true doms" in my experience are unrepentant sociopaths. If that's your gig than so be it, though you're probably better off in a domestic violence forum than a BDSM one.

When engaging submissives I don't rush it. It's really hot when they ask for it. I never was one for mixing sex and play unless we reached a point where there was enough for a commitment. I like strong people. Wishy washy, suppressed personality types don't do much for me. Those tended to be the days where meeting up for coffee ended then and there.

When I have gone out as a dominant, and even as a switch, on meets even when it's day one and it's all about conversation, I feel the even playing field and or the upper hand. Even when negotiating with men, even dominant men who were seeking a challenge.

When going on meets as a submissive it's a whole other ball game. I've engaged with people who seemed to have their shit together, and turned out just to be shitheads. I take submission pretty seriously, for me it is surrender and trust. I've been led on by bad people, been the victim of the disappearing dom. I've also had good experiences.

When going on meets the role you are seeking to be if things work out completely changes the risk, concerns and safety issues involved.

As a dominant I am primarily concerned with consent and self awareness of their interests when it comes to safety.

As a submissive sometimes I feel like the bait in an episode of "To Catch a Predator". To the extent that I always had to treat meets that way, and impose strict limits on initial play. I learned that fast. If those limits are broken there better be a damned good reason (and in some cases there has been), or I am out. I have to say purposeful negotiation for the first time meeting in private is so crucial. If there is a resistance or lack of sincerity in that interaction, get the hell out. If my well being isn't a concern, then forget it. Second play though, other than a few limits, I'm a totally different gal.

And blah, this is totally why I am so happy to be in a stable monogamous relationship, because blech meeting people for the purpose of BDSM is a chore.

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RE: submissive rights... - 1/11/2015 1:16:34 PM   
Arturas


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do i have the right to say no sex at a first meet?


First. You are equals. Second. You have the power to do only what you wish. Third. He has no power unless you decide to give it to him.

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RE: submissive rights... - 1/11/2015 1:26:17 PM   
Arturas


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Try reading the replies, honey.

I posted this to see what Doms had to say...not subs, anyway! If I wanted your opinion I would have posted in ask a sub...

Your opinion can be kept to yourself!




Of course you did and of course you posted it here just to hear from Doms. I'm afraid some do not respect your desire and somehow try and make you feel wrong in suggesting they respect your wishes. Somehow they feel you should hear their opinion even if you obviously don't want it. There is a legitimate reason for wanting answers from a targeted audience, but since they don't respect you, then perhaps you should simpy not reply to them. Let them post and you focus on those you want to read because that is your right.


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