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nah---just going to hide your profile so I don't have to deal with your abuse...

I wouldn't hide his profile. There is so much to learn from the beacon of intellectual dishonesty. Besides, there is a lot of entertainment value there.

Yet, instead of counter-argument, you've got snark.

Speaking of "intellectual dishonesty," the resurrected buzzword for "I've got nothing, but this sounds good" phrase.

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nah---just going to hide your profile so I don't have to deal with your abuse...

I wouldn't hide his profile. There is so much to learn from the beacon of intellectual dishonesty. Besides, there is a lot of entertainment value there.

Yet, instead of counter-argument, you've got snark.

Speaking of "intellectual dishonesty," the resurrected buzzword for "I've got nothing, but this sounds good" phrase.

Oh please, you can't prove your case. You go from one angle to next and its all crap though you might make a good defense lawyer. Starting towards the beginning of this thread you went from calling for added safeties to guns only to water it down after 20 pages to only include the S&W carried by the woman in the OP. Now we're on to pro gun vs anti gun exaggerations of which pro gun pales in comparison. And I haven't even gotten to your "NRA is an arm of the gun manufacturing industry" crap from posts #582 and #585. I think I'll not bother other than to say, that's all crap too.

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Well, the flaw is the safety fix, and there's good solid evidence for the industry claim that you haven't refuted except to call "crap."

If you come up with anything more substantial, until then.




ETA -- Bama, you too. Same applies.

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It's hard to see how this isn't hyperbole:

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Dear Fellow American:

What's happening RIGHT NOW in Washington, D.C. could spell disaster for YOUR guns and YOUR Second Amendment rights!

Hundreds of gun-ban politicians, political appointees and bureaucrats are now writing regulations, casting votes and passing laws that could all but eliminate your right to own a gun. Their agenda starts with licensing, registering, fingerprinting, inspecting and cataloging every firearm, firearm owner and firearm transfer in the United States ...

... And it ends with an outright ban on your guns!!!!

Only you can stop the anti-gunners and prevent the obliteration of our Second Amendment rights...
by joining NRA today.

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It's hard to see how this isn't hyperbole:

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Dear Fellow American:

What's happening RIGHT NOW in Washington, D.C. could spell disaster for YOUR guns and YOUR Second Amendment rights!

Hundreds of gun-ban politicians, political appointees and bureaucrats are now writing regulations, casting votes and passing laws that could all but eliminate your right to own a gun. Their agenda starts with licensing, registering, fingerprinting, inspecting and cataloging every firearm, firearm owner and firearm transfer in the United States ...

... And it ends with an outright ban on your guns!!!!

Only you can stop the anti-gunners and prevent the obliteration of our Second Amendment rights...
by joining NRA today.

Must I really go over it again for you. Change the words passing laws to trying to pass laws and it's hardly exaggerated. If this letter was written back in the Clinton era then ya don't even have to change the words and it's hardly exaggerated.

Ya still can't show me where I stated all the anti gun hyperbole in post # 627 is not spot on.

In fact ya can't refute what happened in those non NRA countries, Canada, Australia and in the UK, in the same post, that make "Only you can stop the anti-gunners and prevent the obliteration of our Second Amendment rights..." at the end of the NRA letter you cited not even close to hyperbole. But go for it. I'm sure you can come up with another angle.

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The point from the start was a toddler firing a gun.

If you believe a toddler can pull a 6.5 lb. trigger other than one with design flaw, consult a pediatrician. This isn't Bam-Bam from the Flintstones.

Carelessness is a factor, yes. So is a weapon a toddler can fire -- not even a child...a toddler. That's not an unreasonable safety fix.

And that's already been covered at length. Repeatedly. Again. Over and over. You even agree there's a need to fix it.

Yet to you, that's "posting crap." Well, whatever.

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Well, the flaw is the safety fix, and there's good solid evidence for the industry claim that you haven't refuted except to call "crap."

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The accident wasn't caused by the flaw but by carelessness...

In all fairness, Bama, I don't think we know that.

K.

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Well, the flaw is the safety fix, and there's good solid evidence for the industry claim that you haven't refuted except to call "crap."

No, the flaw is not a safety fix but a flaw that needs to be fixed for safety's sake but I think we all agree with the context of what I think you meant on that point. Can't we all get naked and sing Kume-Bye_Ya on that one ?

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And no there isn't good solid evidence for the industry claim that I haven't refuted except to call "crap." But it is indeed crap and I'll get to it. Right now I need to get dinner going or I'll be in dutch

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The accident wasn't caused by the flaw but by carelessness...

In all fairness, Bama, I don't think we know that.

K.

Ya know, that brings up a good point. In all the jibber jabber over the fucking design flaw on this gun. We don't even know if that in fact contributed to the accident.

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The point from the start was a toddler firing a gun.

If you believe a toddler can pull a 6.5 lb. trigger other than one with design flaw, consult a pediatrician. This isn't Bam-Bam from the Flintstones.

Carelessness is a factor, yes. So is a weapon a toddler can fire -- not even a child...a toddler. That's not an unreasonable safety fix.

And that's already been covered at length. Repeatedly. Again. Over and over. You even agree there's a need to fix it.

Yet to you, that's "posting crap." Well, whatever.

And I said again in my post that it needed to be fixed, but to admit that would mean you couldn't pretend to be superior.
And no the cause was because the woman left the gun unattended.
Are you so dense that you cannot see these are separate issues.
Of course the flaw needs to be fixed so don't pretend that I am saying otherwise.
But the cause of the accident is that she left the gun unattended.
I know the point to you is the gun, it has to be the gun, you can only excuse things like programs set up by the ignorant if it is the gun and not a simple case of carelessness. I know that you said that "experts" would make the changes but the ignorant would still decide if they were enough.
When it comes to this it is you who suffer from the perfection fallacy you know if it isn't perfect your not even trying.

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The accident wasn't caused by the flaw but by carelessness...

In all fairness, Bama, I don't think we know that.

K.

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The accident wasn't caused by the flaw but by carelessness...

In all fairness, Bama, I don't think we know that.

K.

Ya know, that brings up a good point. In all the jibber jabber over the fucking design flaw on this gun. We don't even know if that in fact contributed to the accident.

That's true, technically, though it seems likely. It was brought up early in the context of "we don't need a new law" rant (that no one was calling for).