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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 12/31/2014 7:07:16 AM   
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And yet accidental drownings are on the top of the list of cause of death. But I have yet to hear anyone seriously suggest we do away with them.



Heaven forbid anyone seriously suggest we do away with accidental drownings.

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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 12/31/2014 7:25:58 AM   
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Will the NRA get behind this too?

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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 12/31/2014 7:38:21 AM   
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Then how can you be so sure gun ownership is a large enough deterrent to crime with no proof to back it up... at least enough proof to say the proliferation of conceal and carry is worth the carnage of children's loss of life. I am not necessarily against gun ownership but perhaps the type of weapons and where they should be allowed and penalties for carelessness resulting in injury or death may need to be weighed against the hundreds of children killed or injured each year to accidental gun accidents... Is it worth it?

I believe studies should be made by neutral entities to find answers to this question. There may very well be solutions without repealing conceal and carry but this will require new laws and regulations that will not happen without statistics to show a need.

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"proliferation of conceal and carry is worth the carnage of children's loss of life. "

Please tell me that you want to outlaw backyard pools in order tp prevent the death of children.

Once again you introduce a strawman argument to defend what is indefensible
Way to be consistent

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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 12/31/2014 7:40:06 AM   
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whoooosh right over your head



Did you expect anything less ?

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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 12/31/2014 7:54:46 AM   
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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 12/31/2014 8:06:08 AM   
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In any case the OP was about an accidental shooting, whereas your numerous links all involved intentional discharge of a firearm in situations of putative self-defense...


But how many moms with toddlers AND a gun in the purse has not been shot?



While on the subject, errant grammar aside ...

How many guys street racing in a neighborhood AND swigging a tall boy beer have not killed a pedestrian?


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Please tell me that you want to outlaw backyard pools in order tp prevent the death of children.



Don't be silly. Any freedom-loving person would recognize your right to bring a backyard pool into the grocery store or the mall.





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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 12/31/2014 8:08:44 AM   
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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 12/31/2014 8:16:04 AM   
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Then how can you be so sure gun ownership is a large enough deterrent to crime with no proof to back it up... at least enough proof to say the proliferation of conceal and carry is worth the carnage of children's loss of life. I am not necessarily against gun ownership but perhaps the type of weapons and where they should be allowed and penalties for carelessness resulting in injury or death may need to be weighed against the hundreds of children killed or injured each year to accidental gun accidents... Is it worth it?

I believe studies should be made by neutral entities to find answers to this question. There may very well be solutions without repealing conceal and carry but this will require new laws and regulations that will not happen without statistics to show a need.

Butch




"proliferation of conceal and carry is worth the carnage of children's loss of life. "

Please tell me that you want to outlaw backyard pools in order tp prevent the death of children.

Once again you introduce a strawman argument to defend what is indefensible
Way to be consistent


That's not a strawman. You guys are so worried about the children, why not worry about all the other things that are dangerous to children. Swimming pools have been pointed out and proven to be 100 times more likely to kill a child than a gun in the home. There are child deaths from poisons (common household chemicals), choking (hundreds or maybe thousands of small items that could be found lying around on the floor), falls (windows, stairs, or a fence), bicycles, scooters, cars and so many other types of things causing freak accidents. Why just pick on guns and the NRA ? If you take all the accidental child deaths combined including those with firearms, you'll likely find that in most instances there is an adult not paying the fuck attention to what their kid is doing or being haphazard in what they themselves are doing.

She asked a good question early on in this thread. "But how many moms with toddlers AND a gun in the purse has not been shot? " how about the millions of people with guns and kids in the home who will never experience an accidental shooting ? Why should we all be penalized because of a handful of idiots ?

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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 12/31/2014 8:32:31 AM   
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let them die, to teach their parents a lesson.

will it be the same hand wringing and denial when the numbers of people being shot overtake drowning deaths?
Of course it will

Of course this has really NOTHING to do with the numbers of kids drowning per year or any safety stuff that is demanded by some states...it has to do with a toddler killing its mother with a gun in a walmart.
How many adults die of being drowned by a toddler?

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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 12/31/2014 8:43:04 AM   
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For Gods sake just keep ignoring the issue, NOTHING is wrong with guns..
let them die, to teach their parents a lesson.

will it be the same hand wringing and denial when the numbers of people being shot overtake drowning deaths?
Of course it will

Of course this has really NOTHING to do with the numbers of kids drowning per year or any safety stuff that is demanded by some states...it has to do with a toddler killing its mother with a gun in a walmart.
How many adults die of being drowned by a toddler?


Well then, what's the point of bringing up a toddler killing its mother with a gun in a walmart ?

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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 12/31/2014 8:47:17 AM   
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For Gods sake just keep ignoring the issue, NOTHING is wrong with guns..
let them die, to teach their parents a lesson.

will it be the same hand wringing and denial when the numbers of people being shot overtake drowning deaths?
Of course it will

Of course this has really NOTHING to do with the numbers of kids drowning per year or any safety stuff that is demanded by some states...it has to do with a toddler killing its mother with a gun in a walmart.
How many adults die of being drowned by a toddler?


Well then, what's the point of bringing up a toddler killing its mother with a gun in a walmart ?



Because that is what the fucking thread is about
edited to add your quote because I cant believe you asked it

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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 12/31/2014 8:48:08 AM   
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Well then, what's the point of bringing up a toddler killing its mother with a gun in a walmart ?



One accident advances the PPL agenda and one doesn't. You knew that, though.



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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 12/31/2014 8:54:02 AM   
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For Gods sake just keep ignoring the issue, NOTHING is wrong with guns..
let them die, to teach their parents a lesson.

will it be the same hand wringing and denial when the numbers of people being shot overtake drowning deaths?
Of course it will

Of course this has really NOTHING to do with the numbers of kids drowning per year or any safety stuff that is demanded by some states...it has to do with a toddler killing its mother with a gun in a walmart.
How many adults die of being drowned by a toddler?


Well then, what's the point of bringing up a toddler killing its mother with a gun in a walmart ?



Because that is what the fucking thread is about
edited to add your quote because I cant believe you asked it


Then please help me understand, what's the point of the thread ?

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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 12/31/2014 8:59:27 AM   
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Well then, what's the point of bringing up a toddler killing its mother with a gun in a walmart ?



One accident advances the PPL agenda and one doesn't. You knew that, though.



Michael


I figured that yet when you bring up accidental child deaths then it's a strawman or it's not what thread is about so I want one or more of these anti gun types to show me the logic.

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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 12/31/2014 9:01:27 AM   
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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 12/31/2014 9:05:07 AM   
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Im done flagellating expired equines.
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I thought so, now I see your point

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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 12/31/2014 9:05:53 AM   
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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 12/31/2014 9:12:09 AM   
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you couldnt see the point if it stabbed you in the eye


There is no point that I can see except what Michael said. But by all means if there is something I'm missing, please shed some light on it. If you would though, put the knife away

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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 12/31/2014 9:18:00 AM   
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You guys are so worried about the children, why not worry about all the other things that are dangerous to children.


Missed by a mile. No, actually, you missed the point by 1,000 miles.

No one mentioned "child safety" in particular. The issue is about public carry vs. public safety. The bullet could have hit anyone in that Walmart, child or adult.

Some of us are not nearly so worried about the children as we are about fuckwit adults putting the public in harm's way by availing toddlers of loaded weapons in a crowded public place. The fact that it was an inadvertent 'woops!' in this case all the more argues the point against the mentally inept being allowed public carry. But we only require one or two lessons at the firing range for a PC license, no instructions to the child who happens upon the same weapon. No IQ test for the PC parents, just put the bullet somewhere within two yards of the target and here's your license.


The OP was about the irony of some adult buying and carrying a gun in public, "for protection," when this incident points out that there was no protection at all of this particular adult from her own stupidity. And the observant reader sees that this unfortunate incident also points out the fact that there is no protection from such idiots when they public carry that idiocy into a crowded public place, much less any "safety."

Child or adult; stupid is stupid, and dead is dead.

Keep it in your house, don't bring it into public. Simple as that.


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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 12/31/2014 9:32:41 AM   
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Im done flagellating expired equines.
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if you mean literally flagellating "me please me"... if it's a code for talking about gun control I'm out...


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