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joether -> We are all equal, but some of us are more equal... (2/5/2015 1:45:27 PM)
A paraphrasing of George Orwell's 'Animal Farm' famous words. Recently, Conrad Hilton, of the Hilton family was charged by the FBI in connection to a flight he took last summer. What he is accused of doing and such can be found in the source material below.... SOURCE How is it, this little shit can get away with breaking more than one federal laws and escape the law? Because he is rich! His attitude that since we are all 'peasants' that we should be happy he is gracing us with his presence! If anyone not worth multiple millions of dollars did this sort of crap on a plane, we would be hauled off to jail and await arraignment in the morning, right? But this adult is allow to avoid all that....because....he is rich! The founding fathers understood that when we as a society allowed two forms of laws to come into being. One that effects the power and rich, and the other for all of us; that tyranny isnt to far behind. When the rich and powerful can avoid the penalties and punishments easily; should strike any good 'honest and law abiding' citizen with anger. That when this person turns themselves in, six months later, that we should be lenient with him? Actually, we, the country, were lenient with him. His bail is $100,000. For most of us, that is a TON OF MONEY. But when your worth several multiple millions if not tens of millions; is it really an issue? Is it really a threat? This person needs to be place in the hardcore sections of prison while awaiting his trial. In general population, to live with those 'peasants' he feels are below him. I'm sure there would be plenty of 'gentleman' whom would protect him from the evil criminals.... No, I feel those whom have greater levels of influence, money, and power, should be held to a greater level of scrutiny, accountability and responsibility with power. Otherwise, we might as all wear slave collars so we dont forget our 'place' in their society....

Kirata -> RE: We are all equal, but some of us are more equal... (2/5/2015 2:24:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether I feel those whom have greater levels of influence, money, and power, should be held to a greater level of scrutiny, accountability and responsibility with power. So your solution to some people being more equal than others is to hold some people more accountable than others? K.

MercTech -> RE: We are all equal, but some of us are more equal... (2/5/2015 5:35:00 PM)
Oh, that would go right along with medieval concepts of Nobless Oblige. To those with great power come great punishments for dishonor. Evil Grin

BamaD -> RE: We are all equal, but some of us are more equal... (2/5/2015 6:10:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether A paraphrasing of George Orwell's 'Animal Farm' famous words. Recently, Conrad Hilton, of the Hilton family was charged by the FBI in connection to a flight he took last summer. What he is accused of doing and such can be found in the source material below.... SOURCE How is it, this little shit can get away with breaking more than one federal laws and escape the law? Because he is rich! His attitude that since we are all 'peasants' that we should be happy he is gracing us with his presence! If anyone not worth multiple millions of dollars did this sort of crap on a plane, we would be hauled off to jail and await arraignment in the morning, right? But this adult is allow to avoid all that....because....he is rich! The founding fathers understood that when we as a society allowed two forms of laws to come into being. One that effects the power and rich, and the other for all of us; that tyranny isnt to far behind. When the rich and powerful can avoid the penalties and punishments easily; should strike any good 'honest and law abiding' citizen with anger. That when this person turns themselves in, six months later, that we should be lenient with him? Actually, we, the country, were lenient with him. His bail is $100,000. For most of us, that is a TON OF MONEY. But when your worth several multiple millions if not tens of millions; is it really an issue? Is it really a threat? This person needs to be place in the hardcore sections of prison while awaiting his trial. In general population, to live with those 'peasants' he feels are below him. I'm sure there would be plenty of 'gentleman' whom would protect him from the evil criminals.... No, I feel those whom have greater levels of influence, money, and power, should be held to a greater level of scrutiny, accountability and responsibility with power. Otherwise, we might as all wear slave collars so we dont forget our 'place' in their society.... Since some have more resources than others they should they should be treated differently (more harshly) under the law?

Aylee -> RE: We are all equal, but some of us are more equal... (2/5/2015 7:16:53 PM)
I am good with equal under the law. Which is why I am more annoyed that David Gregory has not been prosecuted. Back in the day a guy showing his ass like Hilton ways would have gotten his teeth knocked in. Too bad that was not able to happen here. Or at least coshed in the head by a male flight attendant.

MrRodgers -> RE: We are all equal, but some of us are more equal... (2/5/2015 7:33:20 PM)
Well he didn't 'get away' with breaking the law. He was arrested, detained pending bail and will more than likely pay (or Dad will) for this. If I was the judge if it gets that far, I'd be inclined to give him 30 or more days in lock-up. Let him sleep with some of the 'other' peasants.

usememistress775 -> RE: We are all equal, but some of us are more equal... (2/5/2015 8:17:13 PM)
If he's been banned from other airlines then he obviously hasn't learned anything at all from that step. Next step is serving time in prison. I for one see no reason as to why he should see the light of day from outside a prison wall until 2020. It's not like he'll be missing a lot on the inside that he can't make up later. After all he's most likely going to be working for the family business.

Aylee -> RE: We are all equal, but some of us are more equal... (2/5/2015 8:25:22 PM)
Another example of some are more equal. . . http://www.mandatory.com/2015/02/04/do-hot-teachers-get-less-prison-time-when-they-sleep-with-their/

Sanity -> RE: We are all equal, but some of us are more equal... (2/6/2015 2:45:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee Another example of some are more equal. . . http://www.mandatory.com/2015/02/04/do-hot-teachers-get-less-prison-time-when-they-sleep-with-their/ I wonder what a law to make attractive people more equal to ugly people would look like, with a rider penalizing people for being young Obamacare already penalizes health, so thats done

DesideriScuri -> RE: We are all equal, but some of us are more equal... (2/6/2015 4:03:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether How is it, this little shit can get away with breaking more than one federal laws and escape the law? First of all, didn't you read the article? He's out on $100k bail. That means he hasn't gotten away with anything. He just hasn't been tried yet. Are you willing to forego his right to a trial, just because he's a rich brat? From the details in the article, I can't see how this kid isn't going to be spending time in jail. If he gets away with the things he's accused of doing, I'll be just as pissed as you that he was able to buy his way out. At this point, though, that would be jumping the gun, so to speak.

DesideriScuri -> RE: We are all equal, but some of us are more equal... (2/6/2015 4:06:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee I am good with equal under the law. Which is why I am more annoyed that David Gregory has not been prosecuted. Back in the day a guy showing his ass like Hilton ways would have gotten his teeth knocked in. Too bad that was not able to happen here. Or at least coshed in the head by a male flight attendant. I wonder how Joether is going to address the Brian Williams lie. No I don't.

DaddySatyr -> RE: We are all equal, but some of us are more equal... (2/6/2015 4:12:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri I wonder how Joether is going to address the Brian Williams lie. Like I said, elsewhere; It's an easy mistake to make. Michael

DesideriScuri -> RE: We are all equal, but some of us are more equal... (2/6/2015 4:36:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri I wonder how Joether is going to address the Brian Williams lie. Like I said, elsewhere; It's an easy mistake to make. Michael I don't think it was truly a mistake. I don't know that mistaking you being in a chopper that wasn't hit for being the one hit is really a mistake that can be made. I could see him making the mistake and saying that his chopper was hit instead of saying he saw the chopper hit, but to not admit the error until called out 12 years after the fact? And, he recounted the story on the 30th, and only recanted after being called out. I absolutely don't believe for a moment, this wasn't a lie (as opposed to an error) from the get go. Asking this because I don't know (isn't it sad that I might have to qualify this for some people (not you, DS)): do these reporters also travel with a camera "crew" (if so, then this wasn't just Brian Williams "mistake")?

DaddySatyr -> RE: We are all equal, but some of us are more equal... (2/6/2015 4:38:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri I don't think it was truly a mistake. I don't know that mistaking you being in a chopper that wasn't hit for being the one hit is really a mistake that can be made. I could see him making the mistake and saying that his chopper was hit instead of saying he saw the chopper hit, but to not admit the error until called out 12 years after the fact? And, he recounted the story on the 30th, and only recanted after being called out. I absolutely don't believe for a moment, this wasn't a lie (as opposed to an error) from the get go. Asking this because I don't know (isn't it sad that I might have to qualify this for some people (not you, DS)): do these reporters also travel with a camera "crew" (if so, then this wasn't just Brian Williams "mistake")? You didn't read the thread I linked to? I was using "Mistake" with tongue, planted firmly in cheek. Michael

DesideriScuri -> RE: We are all equal, but some of us are more equal... (2/6/2015 4:42:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri I don't think it was truly a mistake. I don't know that mistaking you being in a chopper that wasn't hit for being the one hit is really a mistake that can be made. I could see him making the mistake and saying that his chopper was hit instead of saying he saw the chopper hit, but to not admit the error until called out 12 years after the fact? And, he recounted the story on the 30th, and only recanted after being called out. I absolutely don't believe for a moment, this wasn't a lie (as opposed to an error) from the get go. Asking this because I don't know (isn't it sad that I might have to qualify this for some people (not you, DS)): do these reporters also travel with a camera "crew" (if so, then this wasn't just Brian Williams "mistake")? You didn't read the thread I linked to? I was using "Mistake" with tongue, planted firmly in cheek. Michael I only read most of the OP, and missed the nuance. [:)]

Lucylastic -> RE: We are all equal, but some of us are more equal... (2/6/2015 5:14:18 AM)
WHy dont you start a new thread on Brian williams lie/mistake(hahahha) instead of derailing this one as a way of ignoring the actual topic. Brian williams lied, but Hilton broke a law, apparently. Not the same thing, Unless you wanna excuse affluenza and hjjack A lie versus a criminal charge... You wanna see Williams charged with lying? Losing his job, maybe, trust in his abilities to be impartial? thats ok. it happens to liars. But why the hell should Joether answer when it has bugger all to do with the thread.

Musicmystery -> RE: We are all equal, but some of us are more equal... (2/6/2015 6:11:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Obamacare already penalizes health, ...by bringing others up to healthy lives. He's evil, that man.

bounty44 -> RE: We are all equal, but some of us are more equal... (2/6/2015 6:23:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic WHy dont you start a new thread on Brian williams lie/mistake(hahahha) instead of derailing this one as a way of ignoring the actual topic. Brian williams lied, but Hilton broke a law, apparently. Not the same thing, Unless you wanna excuse affluenza and hjjack A lie versus a criminal charge... You wanna see Williams charged with lying? Losing his job, maybe, trust in his abilities to be impartial? thats ok. it happens to liars. But why the hell should Joether answer when it has bugger all to do with the thread. he didn't ignore the "actual topic" and in fact, he answered it quite well. I trust what desi is alluding to is the (liberals') propensity to attack some characters (who are presumably bad, that is, capitalists, rich people, republicans, conservatives, whatever) while giving passes to one of their own. so in neither case is he derailing the thread. in the first instance, he addressed it and in the second instance, he saw it as a part of a larger issue.

Lucylastic -> RE: We are all equal, but some of us are more equal... (2/6/2015 6:29:40 AM)
the post i was referring to was quote: I wonder how Joether is going to address the Brian Williams lie. No I don't. nothing to do with the thread. no body is giving a pass to williams, are they??? liars of the journalist type and criminally charged hiltons are not part of a larger issue, unless you think all liars should be locked up. So then who is being "more equal" just because Des wants it, Joe is not liable or supposed to answer.

thishereboi -> RE: We are all equal, but some of us are more equal... (2/6/2015 7:39:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: joether How is it, this little shit can get away with breaking more than one federal laws and escape the law? First of all, didn't you read the article? He's out on $100k bail. That means he hasn't gotten away with anything. He just hasn't been tried yet. Are you willing to forego his right to a trial, just because he's a rich brat? From the details in the article, I can't see how this kid isn't going to be spending time in jail. If he gets away with the things he's accused of doing, I'll be just as pissed as you that he was able to buy his way out. At this point, though, that would be jumping the gun, so to speak. Now, now, don't go dragging facts into a perfectly good rant. Next you will be pointing out that the premise of the thread was how terrible it is that they treat him any differently than anyone else, yet ends with the suggestion that he be treated differently because of who he is or how much money he has.

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