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DesideriScuri -> RE: We are all equal, but some of us are more equal... (2/7/2015 2:25:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: usememistress775 I think we've gotten far enough off track with the whole "Affordable Obamacare Act" discussion. Let's instead focus on the Original Topic of how long the sniveling piece of diamond encrusted shit should spend in prison for douchebaggery on a post 911 airplane. I started the bidding at 5 years, do I hear 10? My vote is for whatever is appropriate for the crime(s) he's actually guilty of committing. But, I'm crazy like that.

DesideriScuri -> RE: We are all equal, but some of us are more equal... (2/7/2015 2:51:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: joether How is it, this little shit can get away with breaking more than one federal laws and escape the law? First of all, didn't you read the article? He's out on $100k bail. That means he hasn't gotten away with anything. He just hasn't been tried yet. Are you willing to forego his right to a trial, just because he's a rich brat? What is $100,000 bail to someone with access to $100,000,000+? That's like $0.10 to you or me. Does that sound pathetic to you? Imagine all those whom are being charged with murder, rape, armed robbery, and even terrorism; whom can post a $0.10 bail. Do you...REALLY....want them on the streets so quickly? Did I mention he doesn't have a right to trial? No, I expect him to go to trial like anyone else accused of crimes. That he is treated no differently than someone else that doesnt have access to vast fortunes, political favors, and influence over the courts. What is bail, and why is it set where it is? You have already deemed that he has gotten away with breaking more than one federal law and escape the law. How can he have done so, if he hasn't had his day in court yet? quote: quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri From the details in the article, I can't see how this kid isn't going to be spending time in jail. If he gets away with the things he's accused of doing, I'll be just as pissed as you that he was able to buy his way out. At this point, though, that would be jumping the gun, so to speak. So what sort of punishment could an 'average joe' expect to receive after all of this stuff? Just for clogging up a smoke detector in the bathroom is like $2200-5000. For the average 'joe', that's a pile of money. How much is it, to someone with $100,000,000? The 'penalty' becomes laughable. Threatening someone is battery. The average 'joe' with a court appointed lawyer, could face some serious penalities. Now compare that with someone that can have an army of lawyers that know their shit? Like the 'Dream Team' O.J. Simpson had. Why do we not see more people behaving like savages on a plane? The penalties are pretty damn stiff. But those penalties are for 'average' people with 'average' resources. What if the penalty was just a nickle? Or you had to wait off the plane until everyone else was on it, to be escorted to to your first class seat? How much would that be a penalty? So, you want someone to pay a higher penalty than what the law calls for simply because he/she is rich? That's not exactly "equal" under the law, is it?

DesideriScuri -> RE: We are all equal, but some of us are more equal... (2/7/2015 3:04:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee I am good with equal under the law. Which is why I am more annoyed that David Gregory has not been prosecuted. Back in the day a guy showing his ass like Hilton ways would have gotten his teeth knocked in. Too bad that was not able to happen here. Or at least coshed in the head by a male flight attendant. I wonder how Joether is going to address the Brian Williams lie. No I don't. Like conservatives/libertarians hold conservative media to the same level of accountability and responsibility with 'the press' as Mr. Williams? How often does FOX 'news' lie again, DS? How many threads have you created attacking FOX 'news' for lying in the last year? None of you conservative/libertarians have a leg to stand on.... That Mr. Williams embellished on a story when he knows better, is disappointing. He has a freedom of speech to embellish things. Otherwise, we have to hold FOX news to several million moments of 'embellishing'. Where is the thread on that one again? Oh that's right, not created.... You want to hang Mr. Williams? Sure, just after you do the same from Hannity to Stormfront. Don't see that happening in the next ten years.... I can't recall having started any stories (or maybe one) about FOX News lying. But, I don't watch FOX News, so unless it hits Yahoo! News, I won't know about it. I don't watch Hannity, because, personally, I can't stand him, and think he's a fake. I have absolutely no connection to Stormfront, so I have no idea what they stand for, do, etc. I don't usually listen to Glenn Beck or Rush, either, because I work when their shows are on the local air waves (and I'm certainly not concerned about what I'm missing). Did I start a thread about Brian Williams? I didn't expect you to call out Brian Williams. You'll only do that to right-leaning people/groups. Then, you'll deflect that you don't call out left-leaning because those you don't agree with aren't vocal about right-leaning people/groups. And, just like when it comes to people or groups I tend to agree with, I hope Brian Williams's consequences are appropriate for the wrongs he's committed.

DesideriScuri -> RE: We are all equal, but some of us are more equal... (2/7/2015 3:29:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether Then your not following close enough! DS assumed the young adult would not get a trial. If I am the "DS" you are referring to, you're a liar.

DesideriScuri -> RE: We are all equal, but some of us are more equal... (2/7/2015 3:31:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether Does Hannity report on events taking place? Go ahead and say 'no'. I dare you.... No. He analyzes and comments on events taking place. His show is not a news show, but a show about the opinions of the host of that show.

DaddySatyr -> RE: We are all equal, but some of us are more equal... (2/7/2015 4:24:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: usememistress775 Imma see if I get your math. Original profit is .50x(units sold). Increased profit is .10x(units sold). In that case new profit is 300,000. Old profit was 250,000. Increased profits were (according to you) 550,000. Problem is that actual increased profit is 50,000. You added New Profit and Old Profit instead of subtracting. I *knew* someone was going to question my math because I suck at math (I suffer from acalculia). However: You are correct my profit has "only" gone up by 20% but it's an *increase*, none the less. Again, if we were to take the actual numbers (which I have neither the time nor the inclination to do), you're talking about a multi-billion dollar per year industry (before Obummercare upped their profits). If you base it on my own personal experience, my $1,600 per year policy would have cost me almost $9,000 to replace. If we assume that the mean insurance company was making $800 on my policy (They weren't, based upon actuarial tables), then you take $9,000 and multiply that by 20%, you get $1,800 (per year). That's an increase of 125%. if I die by some sort of "act of God" or, if I decide I'm not going to waste away, when the end comes and I pull the plug, myself, everything I've paid them becomes profit. Not a bad gig, since their partner is omnipotent. Yeah, not a bad gig, at all. Michael

MercTech -> RE: We are all equal, but some of us are more equal... (2/7/2015 6:50:19 PM)
Wild ass thought... With the trust fund babies so often turning out to be royal self privileges shits; could we use the RICO act to seize their assets? Bankrupt the bozo and he would have to learn to act like people instead of a toff.

thishereboi -> RE: We are all equal, but some of us are more equal... (2/7/2015 11:38:06 PM)
I was following close enough to notice the discrepancy in your statements. Sorry bout that. And the rest of your little rant sounds a bit too much like 'waa waa waa, it's not fair, they have more money, waa waa waa' So here's an idea, Why don't we wait until the little snot gets off scott free and then piss and moan about how unfair life is, K?

thishereboi -> RE: We are all equal, but some of us are more equal... (2/7/2015 11:40:43 PM)
David Letterman reports on stuff every night. Is he a reporter?

slvemike4u -> RE: We are all equal, but some of us are more equal... (2/7/2015 11:50:31 PM)
You call what David Letterman does "reporting" [8\|] The rest of us just refer to it as a monologue[:)]

thishereboi -> RE: We are all equal, but some of us are more equal... (2/7/2015 11:53:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u You call what David Letterman does "reporting" [8\|] The rest of us just refer to it as a monologue[:)] It was in reply to this... "Does Hannity report on events taking place? Go ahead and say 'no'. I dare you.... The moment you say 'yes', your argument is full of shit. Dont care what pile of crap you try to swing comes afterward. Hannity.....DOES...REPORT....ON....THINGS....THAT....HAPPEN. Just like Mr. Williams. So if your going to hold Mr. Williams to a high standard of accountability and responsibility; then its fair to ask if you do the same with Mr. Hannity? " And yes I am aware that Letterman is an entertainer, not a reporter. That was the point.

joether -> RE: We are all equal, but some of us are more equal... (2/8/2015 1:50:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant No...he doesn't. By comments on the news that's been reported. People like Williams REPORT the news and people like Rachel Maddow and Bill Maher and Sean Hannity COMMENT on it. So if all four state that some Jordan Pilot was burned to death in a cage by ISIS; only one of them is REPORTING the information? Your full of shit! For many people, they'll get their information from either or both reporters and commentators on a topic. Conservative talk radio is chalk full of people that report on information while interlacing it with opinion and comments. Prove me wrong.... An you cant do it. We both know it! Good journalism means to report information and facts to the best of one's knowledge without opinion. When was the last time FOX 'news' reported on information without inputting their conservative spin on topics? quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant Sean Patrick Hannity[1] (born December 30, 1961) is an American television host, author, and conservative political commentator. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_HannityHannity Rachel Anne Maddow (i/ˈmædoʊ/,;[3] born April 1, 1973) is an American television host, political commentator, and author. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Maddow Brian Douglas Williams (born May 5, 1959) is an American journalist who is the anchor and managing editor of NBC Nightly News. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Williams They all report the news. Mr. Williams does a good job of staying neutral on the information. When President Obama was giving his second in-arguable speech on the White House steps, every news agency around the planet was reporting it. The ones in the USA were reporting it live. All except for FOX 'news'. What was FOX 'news' reporting on at the time? How Oregon farm hands used the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 to score some $48,000 dollars in part time work. Yeah, a 'real news' story of the hour, right? Please, FOX 'news' and other conservative sites are so full of shit its silly. The only people that cant admit reality are the stupid morons that get schooled on forums and discussions. ....Like you! quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant Now Joether...I know this is hard for you when you're foaming at the mouth like you are but please take a look at those three descriptions. Note that Hannity and Maddow are described as COMMENTATORS...NOT journalists/reporters. Note that Brian Williams is described as a JOURNALIST...NOT a political commentator. Hell, he's even the EDITOR of the Nightly News. Your trying to split hairs to keep your failed argument on life support for another minute. What is a reporter? "One whom reports." And what is a synonym of 'report'? "Comments'. And what does a commentator do? They 'Comment'. Which is like reporting..... You dont have an argument. Your supporting 'information' is a silly and stupid attempt at sounding creditible. That you cherry pick your 'information' and try to sell it pass someone that will....RESEARCH....to find the correct information, is lame. There is an old saying CD: When your in a hole during a discussion, stop digging!

Kirata -> RE: We are all equal, but some of us are more equal... (2/8/2015 1:57:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether When your in a hole during a discussion, stop digging! How odd that you should advise that. [:)] K.

joether -> RE: We are all equal, but some of us are more equal... (2/8/2015 2:02:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: joether How is it, this little shit can get away with breaking more than one federal laws and escape the law? First of all, didn't you read the article? He's out on $100k bail. That means he hasn't gotten away with anything. He just hasn't been tried yet. Are you willing to forego his right to a trial, just because he's a rich brat? What is $100,000 bail to someone with access to $100,000,000+? That's like $0.10 to you or me. Does that sound pathetic to you? Imagine all those whom are being charged with murder, rape, armed robbery, and even terrorism; whom can post a $0.10 bail. Do you...REALLY....want them on the streets so quickly? Did I mention he doesn't have a right to trial? No, I expect him to go to trial like anyone else accused of crimes. That he is treated no differently than someone else that doesnt have access to vast fortunes, political favors, and influence over the courts. quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri From the details in the article, I can't see how this kid isn't going to be spending time in jail. If he gets away with the things he's accused of doing, I'll be just as pissed as you that he was able to buy his way out. At this point, though, that would be jumping the gun, so to speak. So what sort of punishment could an 'average joe' expect to receive after all of this stuff? Just for clogging up a smoke detector in the bathroom is like $2200-5000. For the average 'joe', that's a pile of money. How much is it, to someone with $100,000,000? The 'penalty' becomes laughable. Threatening someone is battery. The average 'joe' with a court appointed lawyer, could face some serious penalities. Now compare that with someone that can have an army of lawyers that know their shit? Like the 'Dream Team' O.J. Simpson had. Why do we not see more people behaving like savages on a plane? The penalties are pretty damn stiff. But those penalties are for 'average' people with 'average' resources. What if the penalty was just a nickle? Or you had to wait off the plane until everyone else was on it, to be escorted to to your first class seat? How much would that be a penalty? Joe. . . do you have a clue on what the point of bail even is? It is not a punishment. Nor is it proof that someone is guilty. Bail's sole purpose is to ensure that the defendant is going to show up in court. Is there something that you are personally privy to, that the judge and everyone else are not, regarding the future where this dude skips out on his trial and goes into hiding? You didnt quite....grasp....what I was explaining. The purpose of bail is a promise by the defendant that he or she will arrive to court on all the dates of trial without a problem or issue. That the bail is typically one-tenth of the actual amount. So the defendant (or someone posting bail) on $5,000 bail, would pay a fine of $50,000 if the defendant didn't show up. Now try to keep up here, because this is where it gets complicated. If the bail is set to $100,000, that is one-tenth of a million dollars. How big of a burden is that to someone worth over a hundred million dollars? Likewise, imagine someone whom got caught by police before he or she could execute someone they wanted dead, and had a vast fortune? If they are kept in jail, they cant do harm to that person. But out on bail, they could go after the person. Its sounds unlikely or something out of a good thriller novel. But as the saying goes: truth is often stranger than fiction.

joether -> RE: We are all equal, but some of us are more equal... (2/8/2015 2:03:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee I am good with equal under the law. Which is why I am more annoyed that David Gregory has not been prosecuted. Back in the day a guy showing his ass like Hilton ways would have gotten his teeth knocked in. Too bad that was not able to happen here. Or at least coshed in the head by a male flight attendant. I wonder how Joether is going to address the Brian Williams lie. No I don't. Like conservatives/libertarians hold conservative media to the same level of accountability and responsibility with 'the press' as Mr. Williams? How often does FOX 'news' lie again, DS? How many threads have you created attacking FOX 'news' for lying in the last year? None of you conservative/libertarians have a leg to stand on.... That Mr. Williams embellished on a story when he knows better, is disappointing. He has a freedom of speech to embellish things. Otherwise, we have to hold FOX news to several million moments of 'embellishing'. Where is the thread on that one again? Oh that's right, not created.... You want to hang Mr. Williams? Sure, just after you do the same from Hannity to Stormfront. Don't see that happening in the next ten years.... What Williams did is closer to "stolen valor" although I will say he did not try and get a free meal at Applebees. Now who is embellishing things?

joether -> RE: We are all equal, but some of us are more equal... (2/8/2015 2:13:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: usememistress775 I think we've gotten far enough off track with the whole "Affordable Obamacare Act" discussion. Let's instead focus on the Original Topic of how long the sniveling piece of diamond encrusted shit should spend in prison for douchebaggery on a post 911 airplane. I started the bidding at 5 years, do I hear 10? My vote is for whatever is appropriate for the crime(s) he's actually guilty of committing. But, I'm crazy like that. So your basically stating your 'ok' with the person with a vast fortune behaving like an asshole to people and being held to no accountability or responsibility? What is $5,000 to someone worth over $100,000,000? Its like a tenth of a penny to you or me. Would you speed down the road over the posted limit if your penalty is just a penny? Or beating someone up? Evading your taxes? Or....murdering someone? Because that REALLY is what your advocating here. That there should be two separate groups of people in the nation. The rich, powerful and influential....and everyone else. That the first group could murder you in broad daylight, middle of the street, with over ten thousand witnesses; and only be expected a few hours in jail, slap on the wrist, and pay $0.41. Is your existence....REALLY....that pathetic and lame, DS? I would think your worth a bit more; but thats just my opinion!

Kirata -> RE: We are all equal, but some of us are more equal... (2/8/2015 2:17:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether Threatening someone is battery. [image]local://upfiles/235229/4C1A04E679F04CC381E9444D5AC586C0.jpg[/image] (Figure it out) K.

joether -> RE: We are all equal, but some of us are more equal... (2/8/2015 2:33:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri [ A ] What is bail, and [ B ] why is it set where it is? [ A ]: Bail is a promise by the defendant or someone close to the defendant (in some cases their lawyer) to arrive to court on the expected date(s) of their trial. That the amount is usually set to one-tenth (1/10th) of the total bail. And that if the defendant fails to show up, the judge may order the full bail be paid and other legal proceeding be issued. [ B ] Bail is often determine in one of two ways. 1. At the discretion of the Arraignment Court Judge. 2. Per law to which the defendant is being charged. This can also be a combination of the two. quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri You have already deemed that he has gotten away with breaking more than one federal law and escape the law. How can he have done so, if he hasn't had his day in court yet? Lets see, the airline flight was in June of 2014, and he surrendered to the law just recently in 2015. I'm sure you can figure out how many months that is, right? That a person can be charged with a crime, thereby allowing law enforcement resources to track and capture the suspect. And that this charge can be placed even when the person is not present. For example, the defendant is on a hospital bed, after a number of gunshot wounds punctured him. That his answer to charges can be relay via his lawyer during trial. That Mr. Conrad Hilton did not need to be present when the charges were issued is rather normal. Ever see all those 'WANTED' posters in the post office? All those individuals have been charged with one or more crimes and the people posting the signs are waiting/hoping to capture them. quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri From the details in the article, I can't see how this kid isn't going to be spending time in jail. If he gets away with the things he's accused of doing, I'll be just as pissed as you that he was able to buy his way out. At this point, though, that would be jumping the gun, so to speak. So what sort of punishment could an 'average joe' expect to receive after all of this stuff? Just for clogging up a smoke detector in the bathroom is like $2200-5000. For the average 'joe', that's a pile of money. How much is it, to someone with $100,000,000? The 'penalty' becomes laughable. Threatening someone is battery. The average 'joe' with a court appointed lawyer, could face some serious penalities. Now compare that with someone that can have an army of lawyers that know their shit? Like the 'Dream Team' O.J. Simpson had. Why do we not see more people behaving like savages on a plane? The penalties are pretty damn stiff. But those penalties are for 'average' people with 'average' resources. What if the penalty was just a nickle? Or you had to wait off the plane until everyone else was on it, to be escorted to to your first class seat? How much would that be a penalty? So, you want someone to pay a higher penalty than what the law calls for simply because he/she is rich? That's not exactly "equal" under the law, is it? Actually it would be equal under the law. For I'm stating the exact opposite and showing the rich guy is not equal to his poor counterpart. And I even explained....WHY...its not even nor equal. That the philosophy is pretty obvious here. What keeps someone from committing a crime with a financial penalty, when that penalty is the equivalent to a couple of pennies to you or me? Either you didnt read the thing your quoting and subsequently commenting on. Or you did read what was explain, and ignored the reality to make your 'argument'. Either way you do not address what I'm stating nor successfully make a counter argument.

joether -> RE: We are all equal, but some of us are more equal... (2/8/2015 2:41:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: joether Does Hannity report on events taking place? Go ahead and say 'no'. I dare you.... No. He analyzes and comments on events taking place. His show is not a news show, but a show about the opinions of the host of that show. Remeber this comment? ...I don't watch Hannity... That's your comment from two posts above the one I'm replying to. That you seem to know much about Mr. Hannity and his show for someone that doesnt observe it at all. Mr. Hannity reports a 'slanted' view of the news. Because in order for his audience to have a clue what he's babbling about, it makes logical sense he would have to explain the news, right? ...THEREFORE....he reports on the news. A basic fact you and many others are not grasping.

joether -> RE: We are all equal, but some of us are more equal... (2/8/2015 2:44:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: joether When your in a hole during a discussion, stop digging! How odd that you should advise that. [:)] Even more odd that you would dare open your mouth or type comments without a clue of what your babbling about in a poor and lame attempt at humor. Of all the people on this forum, (Sanity included), you get schooled by just about everyone!

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