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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/15/2015 10:44:52 AM   
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Well I won't be yelling and calling you names because we disagree...but to me acting on hate is the same as planning for years an attack on America or out of hate killing because of a look or religion. Basically they are the same. No sane human being would do either one but they are both done out of hate...so it makes them the same in my book.

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I wont be calling you any names either. We dont always agree but I have a certain amount of respect for you

There's something you can put on your tombstone....."Here lies.....,Sanity had a certain amount of respect for him"

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/15/2015 11:06:32 AM   
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Thing is though Ron, we westerners grew up and evolved from those awful days of old.
Doesn't matter what brand of christianity you follow, most of us live in the 21st century society.
Islamics only tolerate us and still follow 4th century doctrines.

So things like beating women, treating them like chattel, killing gays and lesbians, owning human slaves etc is few and far between in our society. We also have free speech, acceptance of same-sex associations, education for all and many other things that Islam fundamentally forbids.



I agreed with you, right up until you started typing.

All the obnoxious shit you claim is "few and far between" still goes in in the UK and the West, not just amongst Muslims but also amongst almost all sections of society.

For someone who lives in the UK, your posts are blinkered and bigoted. No doubt a few republicans will be praising your bullshit again though.


I missed this one earlier.

Do you dispute the fact that most of the 'wife beatings', the treating of women like chattel, the honour killings, the obligatory hate against free speech (particularly against religion), the regular killing of gays and lesbians, the idea that blasphemy deserves nothing less than death, is among other races and religions outside of Islam??
I guess those extremists of the Chinese government could be thrown in there and perhaps the recent shit of Putin.
There will always be the oddball that have these traits as well.

I don't see that as bullshit.
I see the religion of Islam as a cancer within our western society.
Leave it too long and it'll kill you.... eventually.
What you have to realise is that for most muslims, Islam comes first, everything else is second.

I know some very nice ones.
I also know a lot more that will say one thing to your face and think something the opposite.
I don't advocate that all muslims are extremists or dangerous per se.
But the fact that they will put Islam first and your life/lifestyle/society second irks me somewhat.



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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/15/2015 11:08:56 AM   
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I'm not even touching that FW...way too much bigotry and assumptions going on there.
You apparently have powers that were not granted to me to see into the hearts and minds of other men and woman......who are you the "shadow"

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/15/2015 11:19:32 AM   
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This could have its own thread, but I thought it was timely

Pope Francis Slams 'Prejudiced Mentality' Of Believers Who Fearfully Cling To Religious Laws
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/15/pope-francis-homily_n_6687610.html

VATICAN CITY (RNS) In a powerful sermon that signaled his desire to push ahead with historic reforms, Pope Francis on Sunday (Feb. 15) said the Roman Catholic Church must be open and welcoming, whatever the costs.

He also warned the hierarchy not to be “a closed caste” but to lead in reaching out to all who are rejected by society and the church.
“There are two ways of thinking and of having faith: we can fear to lose the saved and we can want to save the lost,” Francis told hundreds of cardinals and bishops arrayed before him in St. Peter’s Basilica at a Mass centered on the story of Jesus healing a leper rather than rejecting him.

“Even today it can happen that we stand at the crossroads of these two ways of thinking,” the pope said as he outlined the current debate in the church between those seen as doctrinal legalists and those, like Francis, who want a more pastoral approach.

“Jesus responds immediately to the leper’s plea, without waiting to study the situation and all its possible consequences,” Francis declared. “For Jesus, what matters above all is reaching out to save those far off, healing the wounds of the sick, restoring everyone to God’s family. And this is scandalous to some people!”

“Jesus is not afraid of this kind of scandal,” the pontiff continued. “He does not think of the close-minded who are scandalized even by a work of healing, scandalized before any kind of openness, by any action outside of their mental and spiritual boxes, by any caress or sign of tenderness which does not fit into their usual thinking and their ritual purity.”

Since his election almost two years ago, Francis has pushed the church to focus less on denouncing the sins of others — especially on issues of sexual morality — and to instead to reach out more to the poor and social outcasts.

He also wants the church, especially the leadership, to reform itself, and he has convened a series of high-level summits at the Vatican to discuss overhauling the Vatican bureaucracy and changing church practices to, for example, enable divorced and remarried Catholics to receive Communion.

But there was a sense at meetings in the Vatican over the past week that the momentum for change may be slowing — in part due to resistance from doctrinal conservatives and the Vatican’s old guard — and could use a jump-start.

Francis seemed to provide such a jolt on Sunday in remarks that were “truly foundational,” in the words of the Rev. Antonio Spadaro, an Italian Jesuit who is close to the pope.

The Rev. Thomas Rosica, a Canadian priest who works with the Vatican communications office, tweeted that “more than anything I’ve heard from (the pope) today’s homily is his mission statement.”

Throughout his 15-minute homily, Francis repeatedly slammed the “narrow and prejudiced mentality” of believers who cling to religious laws out of fear. They wind up rejecting the very people they should be ministering to, he said, which means anyone on the margins of society “who encounters discrimination.”

“Total openness to serving others is our hallmark, it alone is our title of honor!” Francis said at the Mass to mark his appointment of 20 new cardinals on Saturday.

“We will not find the Lord unless we truly accept the marginalized!” he concluded. “Truly the Gospel of the marginalized is where our credibility is at stake, where it is found, and where it is revealed.”

The new cardinals had joined Francis and more than 150 other members of the College of Cardinals for talks over the past week on restructuring the dysfunctional papal bureaucracy known as the Roman Curia.

But the background noise to those meetings, and in other, smaller meetings among the pope’s top advisers, was the ongoing and increasingly pointed arguments between those who want to slow or halt Francis’ drive for change and those who think the 78-year-old pontiff needs to act more decisively, and soon.

Francis himself seemed to acknowledge the opposition, citing New Testament passages in which St. Peter (considered by Catholic tradition to be the first pope – was rebuked by other early church leaders for entering the house of a pagan, and when St. Paul faced criticism for not requiring Christian converts to observe all aspects of Jewish law.

“Charity is creative in finding the right words to speak to all those considered incurable and hence untouchable,” Francis said. “Contact is the true language of communication.”

Francis said this mission applied to anyone in today’s world who is pushed aside “for whatever reason.”

But he also listed specific examples, saying the cardinals should see “the crucified Lord” in the hungry and the unemployed, those who are in prison and “even in those who have lost their faith, or declared themselves to be atheists, or turned away from the practice of the faith.”

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/15/2015 11:25:55 AM   
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I'm not even touching that FW...way too much bigotry and assumptions going on there.
You apparently have powers that were not granted to me to see into the hearts and minds of other men and woman......who are you the "shadow"

A bigot I may be.

But only yesterday I commented on how muslims work and that they will suddenly rise up.
I wake up this morning to find just that - a muslim terrorist does a copycat on the French killings.
All over what??? Someone has dared to put up a cartoon of their prophet and only in Islam is that punishable by death.

A bigot I may be but I am seeing my ramblings all coming to pass one way or another.
Mali. The extra territory acquired by Boku Haram after more kidnappings. The rise of ISIS.
Australia, France, and now Denmark.
All 'lone wolves'?? I don't think it is coincidental.
Islam is pushing these people and Islam won't out them because most actually support them.


I don't condone the guys actions at Chapel Hill but I can see where his hatred may stem from.
It only takes one.... but a lot of the 'ones' are Islamic or someone getting back at Islamics.
Until Islam moves into the 21st century, like gun deaths in the US, it'll go on ad-infinitum.


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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/15/2015 11:33:44 AM   
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Islam is pushing these people and Islam won't out them because most actually support them.


That really doesn't make any sense, FD. Again, it boils down to your view that Islam is some kind of monolithic group, bound together by (a certain reading of) the Koran. That just isn't tenable.

Obvious points: first, why would most Muslims support these bombers and what evidence do you have for that; second, why would Islam be in any kind of position to 'out' the bombers - any more than I would once have been in a position to out the (Christian) IRA or UVF bombers who caused bloodshed for decades?

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/15/2015 11:43:08 AM   
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I'm not even touching that FW...way too much bigotry and assumptions going on there.
You apparently have powers that were not granted to me to see into the hearts and minds of other men and woman......who are you the "shadow"

A bigot I may be.

But only yesterday I commented on how muslims work and that they will suddenly rise up.
I wake up this morning to find just that - a muslim terrorist does a copycat on the French killings.
All over what??? Someone has dared to put up a cartoon of their prophet and only in Islam is that punishable by death.

A bigot I may be but I am seeing my ramblings all coming to pass one way or another.
Mali. The extra territory acquired by Boku Haram after more kidnappings. The rise of ISIS.
Australia, France, and now Denmark.
All 'lone wolves'?? I don't think it is coincidental.
Islam is pushing these people and Islam won't out them because most actually support them.


I don't condone the guys actions at Chapel Hill but I can see where his hatred may stem from.
It only takes one.... but a lot of the 'ones' are Islamic or someone getting back at Islamics.
Until Islam moves into the 21st century, like gun deaths in the US, it'll go on ad-infinitum.


As I said after your last "rant" far too much bigotry and fear of "others" contained therein .
Sorry ,but you go down that road and you've lost me.

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/15/2015 11:52:07 AM   
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Islam is pushing these people and Islam won't out them because most actually support them.


That really doesn't make any sense, FD. Again, it boils down to your view that Islam is some kind of monolithic group, bound together by (a certain reading of) the Koran. That just isn't tenable.

Obvious points: first, why would most Muslims support these bombers and what evidence do you have for that; second, why would Islam be in any kind of position to 'out' the bombers - any more than I would once have been in a position to out the (Christian) IRA or UVF bombers who caused bloodshed for decades?

I agree, they are not a monolithic group because the Sunni hate the Shia and both hate the Sufi's.
The commone link is their faith - Islam and the Qoran.

The evidence I have are the people I actually speak to on a daily basis.
All the muslims, without exception, firmly believe that Islam comes first, everything else is second.
They also believe in (illegal) Sharia law and Sharia courts to deal with Ismalic problems.
They still believe in, and support, honour killings regardless of what our laws state.
The males firmly believe that their womenfolk should attend them like slaves and are no better than a slave.
Two of my local shops run by muslims (one Pakistani, one Turkish), the male child of less than 10 years old order their mothers about and I have seen that at the local Booker's wholesalers where I shop.

The fact that a lot of muslims go to their mosques and obey their local cleric.
It has also been found afterwards that a lot of these clerics are fully aware of the individuals and their leanings before the act, yet they did nothing to stop that individual doing it.
In many ways, it is very unlike the IRA or UVF who did things in secret.


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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/15/2015 12:08:54 PM   
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I see I have a lot of reading to do. From what I am seeing, a mod red flag goes up and it says: Pick me, I am the thread that needs the most attention at the moment. Before my first coffee because I was up all night working, that is a scary prospect, but I fearlessly head in that direction.

Remember section guidelines. There are a couple in there that might need to be considered.

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/15/2015 12:19:49 PM   
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I'm being nice,I swear I am...hand to god,being nice while trying to get my point across

I haven't told anyone where to go or what to do once they get there.

But while I have your attention Md 3,take a look at my thread in Off topic...follow the link,let me know what you think

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/15/2015 2:59:42 PM   
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Islam is pushing these people and Islam won't out them because most actually support them.


That really doesn't make any sense, FD. Again, it boils down to your view that Islam is some kind of monolithic group, bound together by (a certain reading of) the Koran. That just isn't tenable.

Obvious points: first, why would most Muslims support these bombers and what evidence do you have for that; second, why would Islam be in any kind of position to 'out' the bombers - any more than I would once have been in a position to out the (Christian) IRA or UVF bombers who caused bloodshed for decades?

I agree, they are not a monolithic group because the Sunni hate the Shia and both hate the Sufi's.
The commone link is their faith - Islam and the Qoran.

The evidence I have are the people I actually speak to on a daily basis.
All the muslims, without exception, firmly believe that Islam comes first, everything else is second.
They also believe in (illegal) Sharia law and Sharia courts to deal with Ismalic problems.
They still believe in, and support, honour killings regardless of what our laws state.
The males firmly believe that their womenfolk should attend them like slaves and are no better than a slave.
Two of my local shops run by muslims (one Pakistani, one Turkish), the male child of less than 10 years old order their mothers about and I have seen that at the local Booker's wholesalers where I shop.

The fact that a lot of muslims go to their mosques and obey their local cleric.
It has also been found afterwards that a lot of these clerics are fully aware of the individuals and their leanings before the act, yet they did nothing to stop that individual doing it.
In many ways, it is very unlike the IRA or UVF who did things in secret.


And the Sunnis and Shia aren't that crazy about each other either.
You are a bigot because you see the truth, and it is unpopular.

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/15/2015 3:04:05 PM   
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So put you down in the same column ?


It was so much easier when the bigots just donned their bedsheets and piled inot the pick-up



Identifying them I mean,I don't think it was easy nor do I seek to make light of what it meant when that pick-up truck was barreling down the road towards you.

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/15/2015 3:11:51 PM   
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I started a thread entitled What happened in Denmark so we could discuss terrorism without derailing this subject.
Just a suggestion.

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/15/2015 3:16:09 PM   
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I didn't realize this thread was derailed.....I thought,for the most part(okay there was some joking going on)this thread stayed the course.




of course this conversation is itself a derailment ...of sorts

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/15/2015 4:14:06 PM   
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I believe it started over a parking space... then it turned into a anti-Muslim terror killings... there is no difference between this incident and any other terrorist incident... BUT... people can't have it both ways as some like to here... these incidents together are either terrorism or they are not. One incident was planned and the other not but they are both terrorism... or they are just both insane. Condemning one without condemning the other is the true meaning of bigotry. AND right now we have a few real bigots here.

Butch

I condemn both, but I don't think there is the relationship you do. Of course more information could come out to change my mind. If anything he was an atheist extremist, hating all people of faith regardless of religion, in this respect you could call him an equal opportunity hater.

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/15/2015 4:16:28 PM   
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...For you to claim that this specifically brings shame on America is ridiculous for that reason

Where did you get that from??
Coz I didn't see that in her post.

It does, and damm well should, bring shame on America.....and if you dont see that you should be.....ashamed of yourself


Even if it wasnt motivated by Islamophobia, it should still be a shame three people were killed over a fucking parking spot.



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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/15/2015 4:19:09 PM   
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True again sanity(you're biorhythms must be off the charts today)and yet the capriciousness of the decision to shoot,the easy accessibility to weapons(he had a few more in his house) the fact that prior to this he was just another responsible gun owner must give you a moment of pause,perhaps a split second wherein you reflect of the insanity of the gun culture in this country.

How do you separate the culture that spawned this armed idiot from the resulting tragedy ?


None of that resonates with you ?


Just kidding I know none of those thoughts ever permeates into your skull
Your snide comment about Hicks being just another responsible gun owner sent me searching. Tell me, in what area of the following, do you find a responsible person? In the fact that he voted for the Democratic ticket? In the fact that he is an anti-theist?

"Craig Stephen Hicks was studying to become a paralegal at Durham Technical Community College at the time of the shooting.[26][27][18] Neighbors describe Hicks as threatening. He complained about the noise of one resident playing a card game and playing music when she pulled into the lot.[17] Hicks wrote on Facebook about reporting a couple having sex in a car in the parking lot to the police. In 2013, Hicks reported a dispute between a tow truck driver and a car's owner to police, and walked to the parking lot with a gun.[28][17]

Hicks had moved to Chapel Hill in 2005 from Bethalto, Illinois.[29] He has been divorced twice.[17] His first marriage, which lasted just five months, ended in 2005 when Hicks left his first wife and their two-month-old daughter before divorce proceedings could be completed. Martha Landson, his former mother-in-law from his first marriage, said "He was an unhappy, angry person. The first time I met him, there was something in his eyes." Landson said the family had stayed quiet on her daughter's brief marriage to Hicks to protect their now 10-year-old daughter, who has no idea her father has been jailed in connection to the shooting. Though Hicks had been allowed to visit his daughter on alternate Saturdays, he had not done so in the preceding decade, according to Landson. Court documents have shown Hicks' first wife had financially supported the couple during their marriage, and that Hicks has been perpetually unemployed. At the time of the shootings, he had no income or cash at hand. His assets were listed as his 2000 Nissan Sentra (worth $2,000), and his Finley Forest condo (worth $105,000).[29]

A friend of Yusor stated that Hicks was "holding a rifle" while complaining about extra cars in the neighborhood and noise from their game of Risk.[17] Another resident and a friend of Barakat and Yusor Abu-Salha told the Associated Press that "Hicks complained about once a month that the two men were parking in a visitor's space as well as their assigned spot. 'He would come over to the door. Knock on the door and then have a gun on his hip saying 'you guys need to not park here.' [...] Both Hicks and his neighbors complained to the property managers" who warned them to call the police if they were harassed again."[30][31]

Hicks had a publicly viewable Facebook page where he had uploaded an image of his .38 caliber revolver[32] and set his profile image to one stating "Atheists for Equality".[33] On his Facebook page, he described himself as an anti-theist, and posted numerous images which condemned all religions and religious violence. Hicks was critical of Christian opponents of the Park51 project, stating, "Seems an overwhelming majority of Christians in this country feel that the Muslims are using the Ground Zero mosque plans to 'mark their conquest [...] bunch of hypocrites, everywhere I've been in this country there are churches marking the Christian conquest of this country from the Native Americans."[34][35] CNN religion editor Daniel Burke interprets Hicks' response to conspiracy theories about President Barack Obama's religion as "It's OK if we have a Muslim president."[35] Hicks had set a banner image on his page to one stating, "I don't deny you your right to believe whatever you'd like; but I have the right to point out it's ignorant and dangerous for as long as your baseless superstitions keep killing people."[36] In another Facebook post, Hicks stated, "I give your religion as much respect as your religion gives me [...] there's nothing complicated about it, and I have every right to insult a religion that goes out of its way to insult, to judge and to condemn me as an inadequate human being -- which your religion does with self-righteous gusto."[37]

Hicks is a gun rights advocate with a concealed weapons permit[30] who had 13 firearms in his house.[34] Hicks complained about Christians and Muslims on his facebook page.[30] Hicks wrote, "Some call me a gun toting liberal, others call me an open-minded conservative."[30] Hicks voted in two recent elections, as a Democrat and once on a nonpartisan ballot"
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Chapel_Hill_shooting

He might be considered an anti-faith terrorist rather than just anti-Muslim.

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/15/2015 4:23:51 PM   
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I believe it started over a parking space... then it turned into a anti-Muslim terror killings... there is no difference between this incident and any other terrorist incident... BUT... people can't have it both ways as some like to here... these incidents together are either terrorism or they are not.

Butch


Terrorism as we know it is planned out, supported by a community of like-minded individuals, based on holy scripture, and blessed by the prophet

This was some crazed wacko acting alone in the heat of the moment

Sort of like the difference between premeditated murder and murder committed in the heat of the moment, murder 1 and murder 2



Love your well defined "sanityised" version of terrorism........ Were the IRA and UVF also blessed by the Prophet ? Were the killers of Lee Rigby part of a planned group.

As for use of the word perjorative, it could easily apply to most of your posts.

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/15/2015 4:24:55 PM   
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I believe it started over a parking space... then it turned into a anti-Muslim terror killings... there is no difference between this incident and any other terrorist incident... BUT... people can't have it both ways as some like to here... these incidents together are either terrorism or they are not. One incident was planned and the other not but they are both terrorism... or they are just both insane. Condemning one without condemning the other is the true meaning of bigotry. AND right now we have a few real bigots here.

Butch

I condemn both, but I don't think there is the relationship you do. Of course more information could come out to change my mind. If anything he was an atheist extremist, hating all people of faith regardless of religion, in this respect you could call him an equal opportunity hater.

You fogot to add "legally armed to the teeth "

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/15/2015 4:31:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
I missed this one earlier.

Do you dispute the fact that most of the 'wife beatings', the treating of women like chattel, the honour killings, the obligatory hate against free speech (particularly against religion), the regular killing of gays and lesbians, the idea that blasphemy deserves nothing less than death, is among other races and religions outside of Islam??
I guess those extremists of the Chinese government could be thrown in there and perhaps the recent shit of Putin.
There will always be the oddball that have these traits as well.

I don't see that as bullshit.
I see the religion of Islam as a cancer within our western society.
Leave it too long and it'll kill you.... eventually.
What you have to realise is that for most muslims, Islam comes first, everything else is second.

I know some very nice ones.
I also know a lot more that will say one thing to your face and think something the opposite.
I don't advocate that all muslims are extremists or dangerous per se.
But the fact that they will put Islam first and your life/lifestyle/society second irks me somewhat.




I am glad you finally saw it, and yes i dispute much of what you say. Your constant Islamophobic bullshit is cringeworthy to any right minded person. Not only that it isnt borne out by facts from events in the west.

I am not saying the wife beating, child molesting, sex abuse and Homophobia is better in Muslims societies per se, but in many instances is it isnt much worse.

So to clarify.......You are spouting bollocks. Not for the first time either.

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